Why do you block people?

I’m out of the loop, what’s the pizza cake drama?

pizzacake is a woman with opinions. misogynists hate her for that. One time, she didn't handle that very well. Lots of people got banned on reddit. Now people here mostly bitch about her comics being "low effort" and such, which mostly just reveals "I don't have a legit argument to hate this person so I'm going to pointlessly criticise her work instead."
As I've said in another comment, if some rando did the same scenario in ragemaker and posted it, everyone would be all over how relatable it is.
That said, it is possibly to simply not like the artstyle, or to not find the scenario relatable, or whatever criticism a person might have. Divorced of context, those criticisms sound valid. With context though, it becomes obvious that it is popular to persecute pizzacake.
- persecute
  Y'all have got to join us in reality.
  Yes, there are some misogynists who hate pizzacake because she is a woman exercising her agency.
  That is not the majority of pushback against her, just the most disgusting and vocal.
  The vast majority of criticism of pizzacake is towards her lack of punchlines, constant strawmanning, the unbelievable sycophants who follow and worship her and have turned the relevant subreddit into basically /r/ChurchofPizzacake, and for pizzacake's pattern of poor behavior in interactions on reddit and elsewhere.
  There is a lot of grossness surrounding the entire pizzacake topic, yes, that's undeniable. But to effectively chalk up all or most of the criticism as misogyny when a healthy majority of it sticks to the content of her comics or conduct in direct interactions rather than any extracurricular activities she may engage in, is just disingenuous as fuck.
  
  I should clarify, I'm not claiming that everyone who is criticizing pizzacake is a misogynist. I am however saying that it is popular among misogynists to bully women artists and call it "criticism", thus, the presence of certain kinds of criticism indicates an increased likelihood that the "critic" is actually a misogynist, even if the criticisms at face value are legitimate.
  I shouldn't need to have a law degree to write a comment in a comics forum.
  
  Ah, I remember having these arguments about whether Star Wars 7 should have let Rey be a woman. Uh, I mean, a Mary Sue.
  
  The parallels are stark indeed. Divorced of context, it's perfectly reasonable to accept the argument that Rey is a poorly written character (because she is). Normal, well adjusted people were able to accept that the sequel trilogy sucks for numerous reasons, Rey being a poorly written character being one of them, and then move on. The problem with this criticism isn't the criticism itself, but rather the people who bang on and on and on about it reveal that they didn't have a problem with the writing, they had a problem with a female character having agency.
  "Mind what people do, not just what they say, for deeds will betray a lie."
  
  turned the relevant subreddit into basically /r/ChurchofPizzacake...
  I'm not on Reddit, I don't care what the subreddit is like.
  fans of [thing] are on the subreddit of [thing] saying how much they like [thing]?! I guess I should hate everything then!
  Your grasping at straws here man.
- For some reason PCC:s supporters never mention that she threatened to sue a subreddit for making fun of her comics. "One time she didn't handle that very well" that's putting it very mildly. PC is just toxic
  
  Is that what the narrative is now? I think the critics would have mentioned it last time, they were very thorough and even cited sources.
- I didn't know who she was or her gender when I said I hate her art style is almost as much as Ben Garrison's.
- You forgot to mention the frequency of her posts is to drive traffic to her onlyfans.
  
  I only hear about her onlyfans from people who don't like her because she has an onlyfans. You advertise more than she does.
  
  She has an only fans??! o.O zomg
  Thanks lemmy566567 for letting me know! I'll check it out right now!
- Which tier of her patron do you subscribe to?
  
  My dude, are you calling me a simp? I didn't know she had a patreon before today, and I wouldn't be a subscriber even if I did. There's infinite porn available for free. Everything I know about pizzacake is from the comment sections (and included links) of the last 3 times one of her comics made it into my feed. I have some basic reading and comprehension skills, so it's not hard for me to quickly see exactly what's going on here.
  
  I’m not your dude, guy.
  
  My apologies for calling you a dude against your will.
  Also, Guy is my father, but that's besides the point.
  The rest of my comment still stands.
  
  Is it pronounced Guy or Gee?
  
  Guy, kinda like Hai, but with the G from Gif.
  
  Jai?
She is a proud misandrist and a camgirl. Also the punchline of most of her comics is that impotent rage allows her to yell louder than any opinions she disagrees with.
All I know is she posts lewds to her Patreon and has lots of simps
- I fail to understand why posting a pair of tits is such a controversial thing to do. Maybe I'm too European to lose my marbles over some nipples.
  
  I fail to understand why posting a pair of tits is such a controversial thing to do
  Pizzacake makes a lot of feminist leaning comics which heavily criticize the patriarchy, male objectification of women and "creepy" men who comment sexual things towards women.
  In light of that, a lot of people find it hypocritical that she'd sell pictures of herself online for dudes to jerk off to when that's the exact opposite audience her comics tries to appeal to.
  When the leak first happened, she presented the narrative as though her consent was violated and she was being sexually harassed by having private nudes released. When people found out that she was selling the photos publicy for money, suddenly it became aparent we werent talking about sexual abuse we were talking about piracy. It got a lot of people irritated for having been mislead, and then they started asking why the photos were there in the first place.
  If she knows that she is the target of harassment campaigns, a lot of people are confused as to why she would post her nudes in a public space and not expect them to leak.
  Given the fact she is a public figure who regularly makes comics out of her children, regularly gets doxxed and is targetted by hate, you would expect her to be a bit smarter about what she puts online. She's been online for years but seeks to lack basic understanding of cause and effect online (or else she understands it all too well and plays the victim perfectly to promote herself by baiting outrage incredibly effectively).
  The part of it that bothers me personally is that there are kids involved and there is a 100% chance that all the kids at her son's school know and have looked up these nudes and her son probably gets bullied about it.
  
  She has children so she has to be a paragon of virtue?
  
  What?
  A "paragon of virtue" is a person who is considered a perfect example of goodness and moral excellence. It implies they possess a high degree of admirable qualities like honesty, kindness, and justice, making them a role model of good character. The phrase is often used to describe someone who is perceived as flawless or exceptionally virtuous.
  I never used this term sorry, I'm not sure what you’re reading.
  She has ~~children~~ an online business so she has to ~~be a paragon of virtue~~ have basic OPSEC?
  Yes, everyone should practice OPSEC, but a public "celebrity" who's sole business is online doubly so.
  Operations security (OPSEC) is a process that identifies critical information to determine whether friendly actions can be observed by enemy intelligence, determines if information obtained by adversaries could be interpreted to be useful to them, and then executes selected measures that eliminate or reduce adversary exploitation of friendly critical information.
  A parent should simply include their kids in the calculus.
  
  Yes, everyone should practice OPSEC, but a public "celebrity" who's sole business is online doubly so.
  She doesn't practice OPSEC because she has an OF that exists? I am not nearly as aware of her OF as the people that don't like her, so you'll have to let me know if there's something different she should be doing with it.
  to determine whether friendly actions can be observed by enemy intelligence
  I must be really out of the loop. What is her business that results in her having enemy intelligence? Is it being on OF that gets you enemy intelligence, or making comics?
  
  She doesn't practice OPSEC because she has an OF that exists?
  If she didn't want her nudes to be publicly accessibly, uploading them publicly on social media could be considered bad OPSEC.
  I must be really out of the loop. What is her business that results in her having _enemy intelligence?
  Oh, I guess you are, sorry. Like I was saying in my last comment, there's a lot of "lore".
  Her primary business is through her comics. She actually turned making a business into a comic itself.
  https://www.reddit.com/user/Pizzacakecomic/comments/1jaby6v/comment/mqri41h/?context=3
  I'll quote the enemy intelligence part from an r/outoftheloop thread. You can read the whole thing if you're interested about the events of her most recent hack/doxxing about a week ago.
  Her account got hacked by users from soyjack party, an imageboard like 4chan. She has said that the hackers deleted her account. They found her password and email and caused chaos, including leaking private reddit messages and are likely testing other accounts as well.
  I don't know what this current flavor of doxxing is, because her name has been known for some time. However, In January her home address became semi-public information based on her "Pizzacake Comics Inc." business licence in Canada. This was recently discovered, along with her current login details.
  https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1kio389/whats_going_on_with_pizza_cake/
  From a recent comment, she has only now set up 2FA.
  yes I have 2 factor authentication and finger print id setup for stuff now with a whole new number!
  https://www.reddit.com/user/Pizzacakecomic/comments/1kipftd/comment/mrgpabo/
  I really hate how much talking about internet security comes across as victim blaming but not having 2FA set up as a public celebrity who is constantly being attacked is once again bad OPSEC.
  
  not having 2FA set up as a public celebrity who is constantly being attacked is once again bad OPSEC.
  Sure. But that sounds like her problem, not a reason for me to dislike her.
  This sounds a lot like "there are duchbags attacking her because they are misogynists" which again, is not a good reason for other people to dislike her.
- Like the green knight, for example.
- She has an onlyfans
her comics are ~~mid~~ mediocre and you will catch a ban if you say that in r/comics
- I wasn't aware we're bringing Reddit dramas to fester on Lemmy
  
  That's her biggest platform by far, so I think what they said is fair game. Does Mastodon never talk about what happens on Twitter or BlueSky? The fact Reddit is a cesspool doesn't mean we should pretend it doesn't exist.
  
  It doesn't mean we should imitate them either
  
  But we're not...? Someone just asked "what's the drama?" and someone matter-of-factly said what the drama is. What makes you think anything here is imitating Reddit?
  
  The rest of the comments under the post? Like half of them are recreating the same drama all over
  
  Calling her comics mid as fuck? I mean they are, but that isn't "drama".
  
  Bringing pizzacake to Lemmy and not expecting her sycophants to follow is like stealing a block of cheese from a rat and not expecting it to follow you.
  
  I'll try not to let it happen again.
- To be fair “your comic sucks” is kind of a dickish thing to comment.
  
  Excuse me, I thought mid meant something along the lines of mediocre, not suck.
  
  I’m being hyperbolic.
  
  OK. I'm not being hyperbolic.
  
  And you were correct
  
  It does.
  
  It does and doesn't.
  It means 'middle', but to be 'middle' in a world of greats is to be lame and worth very little.
  Think about it this way: when someone says something sucks, no one ever corrects them "nah, it's mid," like in a positive way.
  
  It wasn't intended to be either a slight or a compliment.
  to be ‘middle’ in a world of greats is to be lame and worth very little
  If you ain't first, you're last? Nah. That don't make no sense.
  https://youtu.be/20iio0wLpPA
  
  I'm not making prescriptions, man, I'm just telling you how people use the word. You have to think about how people use hyperbole.
  Mid is often used in reference to things that are culturally popular, and so is a way to denigrate them. In that way, the person is saying "actually, Marvel's not that good," or "eh, it's not really worth your time," or "you seem kinda stupid for liking trash media so much."
  In other contexts, 'mid' can mean 'average' just fine: "Not good, not bad. Worth one go around, maybe." That's why I said it does and it doesn't.
  
  People are reading something into it that I didn't intend, so I changed it. I'm not arguing about how other people use it or saying you are wrong.
- Its kind of a dick move to start writing hate comments under a comic that you find mildy displeasing.
  
  Yeah, I agree.
  
  Yeah, if you have like.. actual constructive feedback go for it, but “this is mid/low effort” really isn’t helpful

I'm here to tell you I just dislike the comic itself, I don't even know about any controversy. I see that shit, I close it and downvote. Nearly as bad as Family Circus.

Don't know what family circus is but yeah I don't really like her comics and would much rather discuss why instead of talking about the unrelated BS.
- It's hugely popular but I find the humor inane and it seemed like every other one was a blatant propaganda post.

I'm unfamiliar, this is the first thing of hers I've encountered and I thought it fun enough to post here. Is there one of those Reasons people don't like her?

There's a long story involving her threatening legal action against a subreddit over people parodying her work, overall she seems to be a very thin skinned individual that doesn't take criticism well.
Her work also just isn't very good, in my view. Her art style is incredibly bland, and her positions on various topics are just the biggest "no shit" moments you can imagine.
- To be fair, if the biggest critiques of an internet celeb was that they were thin-skinned and their takes aren't very spicy then I take that as a win in today's environment. Hell even being "sort of an asshole" is pretty good by today's standards.
  
  It could be worse, but then again, people wouldn't be posting her work all the time if she'd done something truly awful.
  Instead she makes bland dross that confirms people's opinions, and people think she's actually creative as a result.
- She does, however, sell nude pictures on her patron.
  
  Lol of course it would be satansmaggotycumfart to share this tidbit
  
  Gentlemen, I think I've found my next job. Now, if only I was good looking...
  
  You could always paint your toenails and sell foot pics.
  I mean.....I wouldn't know......
  
  I'd have to shave my feet and get a pedicure as well, since I don't think there is much of a market for male hobbit feet
  
  What? No! What are you doing man??? Hobbit feet are big market money makers! Do you know how popular Lord of the Rings is, and how many of their fans have foot fetishes??? Gotta be some crossover there, right?
  Be you!
  
  🤔
  
  Thanks, SatansMaggotyCumFart. You've shown us the audience that shits on artists
  
  I honestly don’t think she’s into that.
  
  We won't know unless we ask though
  
  It's not like the community here shits on all artists regularly, it's just the one.
  
  Bullying someone because everyone else does it still doesn't make it cool dude
  
  There is a difference between criticism and bullying. Given that the complaints I've seen here are all entirely justified and true, calling it 'bullying' is pretty ridiculous.
  
  Also PC isn't even here to see these comments, we can insulting someone who's not in the room mockery
  
  Which is very weird, but whatever.
- She's an example of a normal person becoming famous and having to navigate those waters without a team.
  You're a wonderful example of an outside critic without consideration. I'm thankful I'm just a nobody like you, because these critiques upset me even when I'm not involved whatsoever.
  
  I wasn't aware I had to be an artist to criticise Pizzacake.
  And even without the drama on Reddit, which I don't particularly care about, her work is extremely bland and unimaginative.
  
  Lots of posts on Lemmy are bland and unimaginative. I don't feel the need to comment as such in each and every one of them.
  
  You do you, I guess.
  
  You don't have to be an artist to criticize her, just like I don't have to be a critic to recognize bandwagoning. People shit on her because it's popular, not because of good reasons.
  Continue to manifest reddit drama here, and argue for shitting on people. I'll take my downvotes for standing up for artists. There are literally hundreds of bigger problems we should be speaking up about, this comic artist is not one of them.
  
  Explain the difference between bandwagoning and the majoroty of people sharing the same opinion.
  
  Have you considered the possibility everyone is criticising her because she genuinely sucks?
  
  I thought she was just "bland and unimaginative"
  
  Most people would consider those to mean similar things.
  
  The great thing about lemmy is that if you don't like a post, there's another one under it.
  
  Yup.
  
  posts nude photos of Nurse_Robot punting a basket of puppies
  
  You swore you'd never post that photo, I only kicked that basket because you said it was the only way you could get off

Maybe because the comics rarely have any substance to talk about. Besides, I don't want to see or support someone's work when they threaten people with litigation for making fun of and criticizing their comics

Yeah. I recommend a drink.

That's not true, we also insult her half assed art style and middle of the road takes.

Case in point.
- They're literally criticizing the content of the comics and not her person, it's the exact opposite of "case in point"