We gonna fight

Because being a leftist just isnt as fun when you dont hate everyone and everything. Hate is fun

I approve of any leftist as long as they are anti-authoritarian.

so that it appears leftists are always fighting since they are all lumped into the same category.

I always say it is because the left in general has its roots in old school liberal value of "think for yourself". So there typically tends to be maverick attitude and in-fighting. The best example is the Spanish Republicans during the Spanish Civil War; you have soc dems, communists and anarchists fighting together not just against fascists, but also themselves. The right, meanwhile value order and hierarchy, so they tend to easily set aside their differences. Again, the Spanish Civil War is the best example, with the Spanish Nationalists also composed of various factions with competing agenda, but managed to set aside their differences, which made it easier to do because they had a strong man figure to rally to.

For me, it makes much more sense to think about it all as pop culture. I'll use America but this goes for any country.

The right leaning party represents pop culture. A dominant culture. The popular culture is American Apple pie and blue jeans with letter jackets.

The left represents everything outside the pop culture bubble. It's a larger population as a whole, but they're like little bubbles they all contain their own culture. Those cultures can conflict or merge and compliment each other. But they're individually separate.

The pop culture is always feeling threatened. It needs to maintain the status quo. Every outside sub culture is trying to fight their way into the dominant culture.

So this is why the right leaning voters trend towards rejecting things like immigrants, minorities, LGQTB and often other sub groups that are not wildly accepted by the pop culture. This is also why the left leaning groups do not. They trend towards infighting about how to do things but overall they all focus efforts on taking status away from the pop culture.

When I view politics as a clash between pop culture and sub cultures, it makes so much of it make so much more sense.

Which is also why I believe this is useful because it highlights how to win. Pop culture is much more sensitive to culture jamming. If anyone remembers 'yes men save the world' they were buried a bit, but they managed to fuck with so many things in pretty smart ways. You can really start to see how to focus efforts on them with this context I think at least.

Fun fact, I once alluded to this on reddit's worldnews and they associated me with Hitler because apparently trying to say there is more than one dimension is trying to whitewash Nazism.

Troll factories can get defensive, don't touch what they work with.

Sucks that the system in the USA is broken but until it's fixed and we have more than two parties, democrats are the left.

booba

That's mostly due to the rights belief in hierarchy. It doesn't matter if the person above you has different views than you if you believe their right simply because they're higher up the pecking order.

Yeah the flaws of leftists is understanding what they are voting for and not operating purely on loyalty.

tale as old as time

I didn't see this film until the 2010s, and I couldn't believe how accurately it lampooned my local scene.

It's a dubious place to be in. Those that believe in the system, and working within it...and the dangers of working outside of it...are realizing that there is no in-the-system countermeasure to those willing to work outside-the-system.

Those who believe in law and order can't use law and order to wrangle in...the majority of the "law" and "order" that are working in extra-legal and extra-ordinary ways.

Edit to add. We've been down this road before. Look at 1930s Germany. Not everyone was down with Dolfy. But we know how trying to fix it inside the system ended up.

Not necessarily. Some leftists demand conformity in beliefs. "If you don't believe XYZ, you're a shill/neoliberal/fascist etc."

I feel like favoring free thought and opposing conformity leads to arguments, but demanding conformity leads to enemies (like this meme).

The problem is not public arguments, but groups rejecting other groups for ideological reasons. I personally know people who are like "you can be a communist, or you can be wrong".

The reality is that there are left groups, especially far-left groups, who will already dismiss your opinion on everything for not categorically rejecting a (social) markets economy. Doesn't matter if you agree in all other points.

Political LeftRightism (n.)

Definition:

Political LeftRightism is a spatially encoded meta-framework of political orientation that frames ideological discourse along a singular, bipolar axis, left versus right,thereby reducing the full multidimensional landscape of political thought into a linear spectrum. As a memetic penetrator and perceptual instrument, LeftRightism functions not as a neutral map but as a meta-weapon of the ruling class: a cognitive architecture designed to channel dissent, structure debate, and neutralize system-level critique by confining political possibility to a predefined, adversarial dialectic within the system's own terms.

Operational Mechanisms:

Perceptual Confinement: Constructs a false totality of ideological space by placing all positions, grievances, and aspirations on a left-to-right continuum. This flattens pluralistic thought into a binary schema and frames radical alternatives as fringe “extremes.”

Cognitive False Equivalence: Establishes symmetry between left and right regardless of historical asymmetry in power, violence, or systemic entrenchment. This symmetry encourages the illusion of balance where structural inequality remains.

Controlled Opposition: Absorbs political resistance into legible categories that the system has already immunized against. By permitting debate only between "acceptable" sides of the spectrum, it constrains opposition into predictable, ineffectual loops.

Ideological Compartmentalization: Prevents synthesis of cross-axis or off-spectrum worldviews (e.g., spiritual leftism, post-capitalist traditionalism, decentralized communitarianism) by declaring them incoherent or invisible.

Map-as-Reality Substitution: Through repetition and institutional embedding, LeftRightism replaces the messy, evolving reality of political life with a static cartographic abstraction, inducing conceptual dependency on the spectrum itself.

As Meta-Weapon: Political LeftRightism operates as an epistemic instrument of enclosure, a framework-level tool of hegemony rather than a position within debate. It disguises its own structural function beneath the appearance of neutrality and exhaustiveness. By scripting political meaning into a legible diagram, it enables elites to:

Predict, manage, and diffuse unrest;

Legitimize centrism as “reasonable” and extremes as dangerous;

Fragment class solidarity into partisan identities;

Avoid exposure of vertical dynamics (top vs. bottom, ruler vs. ruled) by focusing attention horizontally.

Distinction: Unlike left- or right-wing ideologies, which offer substantive (if partial) theories of value or structure, LeftRightism is not an ideology per se but a cartographic control mechanism—an ideological exoskeleton that shapes and constrains all ideologies that operate within it. Its power lies not in its content, but in its pre-conscious adoption as the default schema of political orientation.

I was recently banned for being "transphobic" for telling people what far right people believe about trans people, in the third person because I'm not far right nor have I ever been.

I've been pro-trans rights (AKA human rights) since I knew what the word "transgender" meant, which is going on twenty years or so now?

Futurama Reincarnated

centrists say everything is all progressives fault. But also that progressives will never be allowed to have any place of authority or decision making in the party. They'd sooner court republicans. So they will lose the youth vote for good and go extinct, assuming the country survives their idiocy at all.

Don't like what you see on lemmy? That's your fault. Use the tools given to you to block what you dont want to see.

Expecting others to change their posting habits so you dont have to lift a finger to curate your feed is ridiculous.

You can start practicing blocking people on me. Just click those 3 vertical dots and click block user.

Thanks, appreciate it.

Is this oneof those /s moments or a /r/wooosh moment?