You leave once the ride is over! And not a moment before!

Wholesome crab bucket mentality
- FUCKING FINALLY SOMEONE GOT IT!

“But we’re getting so many views right now, fam…”

I've tasted friendship (Ha-ha)
\ I've tasted you (Oh no)
\ I've tasted dying and it tasted good
\ I've tasted heartbreak (Wah)
\ I've tasted food (Uh oh)
\ I've tasted dying and it tasted good
But that's dessert
\ You can have it when the dinner is gone
\ But that's dessert (Uh-hoo-ah-oh-ah-oh)
\ But that's dessert
\ You can have it when the dinner is gone
\ So put it down
Jack Stauber
- Jack Stauber mentioned!!! What the heck is a normal music video

Suicides no joke.

Then, after you get “saved” from suicide, they strip you of your rights and shove you in a cell for up to five days.
And that attitude is what the staff will have towards you. You are there to be punished for daring to be suicidal and trying to reject the gift of life. You’ll probably lose your job after the hospital stay, and then get stuck with thousands in bills for the “treatment” (sitting in a room watching day time tv while you listen to people in psychosis or dementia getting the shit beaten out of them by the staff.)
But this is a good thing! It’s so much better to be alive then not dead, that’s why we need to abuse suicidal people!
- Yepo. I was on a 72hr hold after a manic episode caused by a med interaction (Wellbutrin, took away the mild depression but let the massive anxiety run wild) and it was the worst fucking experience of my life. Literally just stick you in a program that doesn't give a fuck about why your there, just headcount they can bill for. I was perfectly fine like 2hrs after I got locked in and spent the remaining 70hrs climbing the walls.
  0/10 Do not recommend. And this was in Massachusetts, a place wildly known for good healthcare.
  
  I’m in Oklahoma. I went in voluntary a few months ago for suicidal ideation (which I think is a rational reaction to the events of November…)
  They upgraded me to involuntary illegally (like, a single therapist accused me of lying when I said I was no longer suicidal, and made the call to hold me.) I had vape smoke blown in my face, was misgendered and assaulted by staff.
  I won’t call 988 or any service like that ever. There is no accountability or safety here
- American detected.
  
  They do the same in the UK too
- No no, you don't get it. You have to suicide the slow American way with cancer and heart disease. Pick your favorite form of socially acceptable self mutilation today!
- This is why I never told anyone when I held a gun to my head. I was afraid it would ruin my life after I didn't do it.
  
  It would have. You made the right call to tell no one. I hope you are doing better and are happier.
- We should make dying in battle a good thing again. The wrong kind of peace is a blight upon society.
  
  We should not. Instead of taking care of it privately, those with ideations would try to kick off or perpetuate a hot war. Those tend to catch people who weren't in that pickle up in them.
- i always thought (and pretty sure this is the case in most places) that suicide was technically a crime to give police an excuse to bust in to stop an attempt if needed. not to put people in fucking jail for failing to go through with it.
  but then again the us would like any excuse to incarcerate people so who knows.
  
  They don’t put you in jail - they put you in a “hospital” you can’t leave, which is basically a jail that pretends it helps you. Instead, you get maybe 15 minutes with a psychiatrist (I don’t understand how the one from my suicide attempt passed his TOEFL), who will prescribe you anti depressants. Leaving is contingent on agreeing to take these anti depressants. All of the other staff are random, uncertified people who have the legal right to physically assault you. These are the same people that decide whether to give you a grievance form after beating you up (which gets tossed in the trash anyway.)
  Research suggests that suicide rates go up after inpatient hospitalization. A substantial aspect of my PTSD is related to abuse as a child in inpatient facilities. I’m an adult that still has nightmares over this shit.

And then the people all clapped and patted themselves on the back for saving the guy and went about their day. But the guy went back to the same life full of problems that led him to despair. Crippling debt or depression. Estrangement from loved ones that are no longer willing to reconnect. Loneliness or defamation or disease. It's easy to save someone from jumping, but this is not help. That is not the help they need. They need constant and long term help, assistance, and support.
Saving a stranger from a suicide attempt has a vibe to it like preventing an abortion from happening without providing any further support for the mother or the child. Congrats, you saved a life, technically. But you did nothing to save the life.
- No you dumbass they are going to be sent to get help.
  Nearly everyone that attempts suicide and survives regrets trying and are glad they've failed.
  Sorry for my strong language, but I've had friends and loved ones struggle with mental illness. A few have attempted suicide and either failed or have been stopped. I once took a friend's gun the day before he tried to commit suicide. If I had not done that he would be dead today, but today he is happy. He has a life worth living and is doing infinitely better.
  Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.
  This is nothing like going to a doctor and seeking a medical procedure like an abortion. If anything this is like a woman throwing herself down the stairs in an attempt to end a pregnancy. They don't need to be allowed to throw themselves down the stairs. They need to be stopped and given access to proper medical care.
  
  "Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision."
  That used to be the case for me as a kid. But lately it hasn't been very emotional. I'm of completely sound mind. I just don't particularly enjoy being alive anymore. Death seems peaceful. No pain, no taxes, no humans.
  
  Suicide attempts are a mental health crisis. In that moment that person is not of a sound mind and incapable of making that decision.
  I disagree. Life can be awful and people can make rational decisions to die.
  "Mental health crisis" and "incapable of making that decision" just are ways of saying "this person must be forced to give money to the mental health system through compliance with druggings and forced in-patient care that they will be billed for."
  You're likely part of the mental health industry. Only one of "them" would think 30K in additional debt (paid to mental health workers/doctors) is always better than death.
- There's a chance someone else in that crowd understood and began taking daily time to interact with the man. It's not impossible.
  
  You just doubled the abortion prevention vibe
- This is why I dislike people who stop suicides. It's their choice and their right. Mind your business, asshole
  Ironically though, the ones who are driven to suicide are often the ones you want to keep around. The ones who cause the pain should be removed from our world
  
  As a person who has been suicidal, I respect this opinion, but as a person who lost multiple family members to suicide, I wish someone had stopped them. The fact that nobody did is what keeps me around though, resentfully, because I don't think my mom could handle it again. It's a complicated feeling.
  
  I’m grateful someone stopped my daughter’s suicide.
  
  What I think would be most ethical if I saw someone about to commit suicide by jumping (or other means) would just be to use my words to talk with them but not physically stop them.

How did they get the rope around him lol
- Presumably someone grabbed him and then they grd the rope through and round. Adding more rope and belts as more folks arrived.

I'm very worried about everyone here. Really, I know that there is a way out that isn't suicide--it's revolution--but it seems like you've all submitted to Capitalist Realism. I've thought about risking my life in an attempt to overthrow the state, but unlike you all, I am legitimately afraid of losing my life. It'd be such a sad note to end my life on. I wouldn't be there to see any surprising good things happen. I wouldn't get to see a socialist system established before me, and I wouldn't be able to do anything to help anyone. How come you all feel fine about death? There's nothing afterwards. There were the Viet Cong who couldn't live to see their country establish socialism, there were the Leninists who died fighting the Tsar who couldn't see the Soviet Union come to be, there were the slaves who died in Southern plantations who couldn't see Juneteenth. If you were really willing to die, you'd die in battle.
- Bruh bleeding out in a pit of mud on the battlefield as other random people fall on top of my already crushed ribs is way fucking worse than a bullet to the dome.
  Plus, this revolution could easily go the other direction and I'll end up being tortured to death anyway. I feel like this take is possibly the most historically ignorant one possible.
- People don't really feel "fine about death" but more like "being alive feels worse than death".
  There is almost always some thing in such a person's life that is causing such feelings. Even if someone thinks the world is better off without them, it's caused by how they "perceive" their impact on the world, which can be caused by the way other people interact with them.
- The problem with the Western middle class is they've been conditioned to think they're part of the ruling class.
  They believe that the ruling class' successes are their own, until it's time to get ready to go to work the next day.
  They see themselves as above poor people and believe they're entitled to more before those who have less.
  They always believe the solution to their problems is to make more, not spend less.
  The issue isn't just capitalism. It's not just greed. It's a culture of consumerism. Hopefully anyone who has been around for a few decades can recognize how much the social landscape has changed in favor of encouraging people to sell themselves out as quickly as possible.
  We are living in the most negative of peaces.
- Can you explain your ideas in more detail? I'm not understanding, but want to read more.
  
  It was word salad a bit, but I was concerned about people either wanting to die or trying to make clever quips about it.
  The term Capitalist Realism I took from Mark Fisher's book, Capitalist Realism, in which he describes people believing (at the time the book was written) that Capitalism is "human nature", applies to everything, and that all attempts to the contrary are fruitless. And when someone is buried in debt, and believes in Capitalist Realism, they'd probably commit suicide out of hopelessness. This is why it's so important to understand how socialism works, and work for its establishment.
  TL;DR I understand that the problems are caused by Capitalism. They are fixable, there is still hope, and I worry about so many people considering and glorifying suicide.

Damn the guy must have felt terrible in that moment.
- Well yeah you finally have the knowledge that this earth isn't worth living in and finally overcame your body's built in instinct to not die, and some assholes literally force you to stay alive by grabbing onto you like nearly every depiction of hell or hades that has ever existed including tying you to the bridge with ropes.
  
  From a suicidal persons pov that’s exactly what I imagine that would feel like. Also the insane amount of embarrassment from a huge crowd of people that are all there because of you. Some of whom are probably “it’s all in your head” kind of people. It is hard enough to open up and show your feelings to one trusted person, let alone an effin crowd.
  That said, the guy that they saved can now say “F you and see you tomorrow” so that’s something.
  
  I bet they chatted shit to him about their god as well
  
  Or maybe it's the most cared for he's felt in a long time. There's something powerful about having that many people care and dedicate time to saving you.
  The reasons for "why" he was trying to commit suicide definently would effect how he feels about this
  
  Fuck you. But I'd save you anyway.
  
  i get that these people need more help than just being convinced not to do it, but in that moment isn't talking them out of it the right thing to do?
  
  You don't know if the man was willing to be saved at this point, he may have been in a situation where he wasn't able to hold himself up. Also this appears to not be the US, I assume they have their own cultural views on suicide and often cultures do have longer term solutions for people who are suicidal, Some cultures in Africa will take a normal workday off as a group and have a public celebration of sorts they will stay in the sun most of the day and community members will all individually take time to talk to the community member in need and show effort to spend time with them about anything at all, they rarely talk about their troubles is what I understand. There are approaches that differ from the west and there's places with less stigma.

Nobody asks to be brought into this world. You should be allowed to determine when you've had enough.
- No. You stay. Suffer alongside us. No one clocks out early.
  
  Then my life goal is to make my continued existence your daily problem.
  
  Gross
- We should be encouraging these people to take their frustrations out on the ruling class.
  Give them something to live for. Something to believe in.
- But not out in public.
  
  Whether out in public or in private is better, depends on context.
  Although it's probably a bit beyond social media debate. When it comes down to "seeing a strangers body floating in the river" , "finding your sibling hanging in the next room" or "found at a kindergarten playground".
  
  Then where? Not like you can walk into a funeral home and be like "Yep, I'm done, I'll take your deluxe 'End it now' package please"
- Nope. It's a bad prescient. Society would be a worse place if life had no inherent value.
  
  I disagree, clinicallydepressedpoochie.

this comment section might be insane

Ohh, my turn to post this classic:
The view from halfway down - Alison Tafel
The weak breeze whispers nothing
\ the water screams sublime.
\ His feet shift, teeter-totter
\ deep breaths, stand back, it’s time.
Toes untouch the overpass
\ soon he’s water-bound.
\ Eyes locked shut but peek to see
\ the view from halfway down.
A little wind, a summer sun
\ a river rich and regal.
\ A flood of fond endorphins
\ brings a calm that knows no equal.
You’re flying now, you see things
\ much more clear than from the ground.
\ It's all okay, or it would be
\ were you not now halfway down.
Thrash to break from gravity
\ what now could slow the drop?
\ All I’d give for toes to touch
\ the safety back at top.
But this is it, the deed is done
\ silence drowns the sound.
\ Before I leaped I should've seen
\ the view from halfway down.
I really should’ve thought about
\ the view from halfway down.
\ I wish I could've known about
\ the view from halfway down—
- And now I want to watch bojack again
- I love this poem to death (ironically enough). Planning to get a tattoo related to it.
- Idk what this is but it's not very good imo

Please keep your hands, feet and body fully inside the vehicle.
- This isn't a place to make clever quips. This is a person being pushed to suicide.

The Hippocratic oath is far too frequently interpreted as a mandate to unilaterally inflict life as broadly and indiscriminately as possible.

My intrusive thoughts vs my procrastination
(Yes, I do go to therapy)
- (Yes, I do go to therapy)
  Good for you, srsly. All the best for you, we're rooting for you!

Just let him rest, people.
Not everyone wants to exist. We didn't tell our parents to birth us.
Fuck it
- are you advocating for suicide? because it really seems like you are
- Yet we value life above all else. If people reach that point, where living holds no worth, we as a society have failed them.
  
  we as a society have failed them.
  Yep.
  
  But at some point mightn't it be time to accept that?

My personal moral code is that we should only use communication to try to stop suicide, I think it's unethical to physically stop them.
I would only get them out of the situation once they tell me they changed their mind.
- Yeah this is the same thing I've established. Just be like "hey I won't physically stop you, but I suggest you reconsider"
- I respect your line but will not follow it for myself.
  
  No one asked to be here.
  You personally have no idea the depth of suffering another person might be experiencing and no one owes you anything at all.
  Your ignorant judgment is unneeded, and unhelpful. It's not coming from a place of empathy or understanding.
  You have absolutely no right to physically stop a stranger from suicide just because you think your world views trump theirs.
  For that matter you have no right to physically force anyone to do anything that isn't harming a 3rd party.
  You see yourself as a hero but your attitude is truly selfish and disgusting.

Can't die, he still owes us taxes /s

This capital battery is not yet used up; it may not be ejected.

This is one of the reasons not to try it in a public place, especially a busy one
- Or the opposite of that.

What is the root cause of suicide. I say finance..
- Depression, but a lot of time finance is the root cause of depression.
- Mental illness. Not saying suicide is a mental disorder or you need an mental disorder to be suicidal. Its mostly the stigma of both mental illness and suicide.
  Sometimes being trapped with your own mind can be hell
  
  It's not always that.
  I really hate the perspective that if someone doesn't like life, they must be crazy... because (religious reason, spiritual reason, societal obligation reason, etc).
  Life can be bleak and sometimes people make a rational calculation that the pleasure isn't worth the pain. Suicides make people still alive sad so that's why they are socially unacceptable, but people should be able to make choices without automatically being deemed crazy.
- Pregnancy

The anti theses of the Rammstein song "Spring" (jump) where a guy is on a bridge just to enjoy the view until other people come who mistaken it for a suicide attempt and encourage him to do so. This ends when someone decides to actively help him
- I can't take Till seriously anymore, but that is one of my favorite songs ever. The mood is just so jarringly depressing. The song really paints a picture.

Poor guy just wanted to take a bath in the river.
But nobody gets to have fun in city waters.

Not that i support suicide, but wouldn't letting him do it be survival of the fittest at its prime?🤔
Edit: guys chill, it was just a question.
- "Fittest" for what? For example, more educated people have a higher chance to suffer from a mental ilness. Do you think that humanity is better off if only idiots remain?
  
  Blissfully ignorant is still blissful.
- The other people instinctively want to save him because of kin selection. What you see in this picture is evolution at work.
  
  I understand that, too. I was just curious how others thought of my thought pattern.
- 80 IQ or just underage.
- "Survival of the fittest" is not a moral law. It's the scientific observation that, for populations of organisms that reproduce and make mistakes while reproducing, those mistakes that better fit the environment the organisms are in are more likely to be passed on, resulting in, generations later, those populations eventually adapting to better fit their environment. There's no obligation to consider and follow it as if handed down by a judge in the same way there's no obligation to consider and follow gravity when walking outside.

If I can't have confirmation that the afterlife exists, NOBODY gets to kill themselves. Fucking idiots.
- How bout ya find out what's on the other side? I can assist with an M3 bayonet.
- It's an evolutionary trait from preventing harm to a herd member. It kicks in automatically for everyone but the far end of personality disorder spectrum, regardless of what rational thought patterns are without the surge of adrenaline.

You have a couple of decades worth of life left to deal with. You've got an eternity to be dead, and it could suck worse. Plus, if you're a Buddhist or Hindu you're probably gonna have to go through it all again. Might as well see this ride through to the end of the line.
- I wish I could put you in my place and make you read that. Fuck you.
  
  Why? It's a simple risk assessment based one question:
  If I kill myself, will it stop the pain?
  And the answer is that I don't know. Neither do you. For all we know, it could be worse.
  To me, that's an unacceptable risk.
  Anything you infer or think I'm implying is based on your own assumptions (which are shallow and self-centered - you have no idea about the amount of pain I've suffered in my life, so fuck you very much too - pretty arrogant to assume you have a monopoly on suffering).
  My original statement isn't a moral or religious statement, it's just one of fact. You have a limited amount of time to live. You have (apparently) an unlimited amount of time to be dead, you will be dead eventually no matter what, and being dead could be much worse than being alive depending on what you experience.
  The odds that things will get better with suicide aren't in your favor. That's just a fact, kid. Don't be in a rush to make things worse for yourself and everyone around you.
- As a counterargument I'd like to point out that when there's enough pain present you might just want to tap out.
  Especially now since one of the lovely American corporations decided to fuck up pain medication for those that truly needs it for decades at the minimum, because they just had to get that fucking profit.
  I'm not even American and I'm on about a third of what I theoretically should be. My doctors admit this, but anything more and there's a risk of malpractice bullshit.
  Hence, pain. Fuck that. I'll tap out when enough is enough.
  
  The major flaw in your reasoning is that you're assuming that there's less pain on the other side. It could be better, but it could be much much worse, especially if you're carrying the regret of unfinished business left behind.
- What if I'm already sentenced to hell, and prolonging my life is going to lengthen/worsen my sentence due to violations of laws I am unaware of (think of The Good Place)?
  What if we're dealing with a sadistic god, who dishes out punishment proportionally to one's willingness to hold onto hope - and just ignores suicidal people because they're not worth the trouble?
  What if, as others suggested... nothing, at all?
  How did you come to the conclusion that your speculation has more weight than any Roko's Basilisk type shit I can come up with in 5 minutes just because I'm bored?