Boeing rule
And their planes made with scrap parts are still flying around.
Edit: A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy, reminds me of an article i read this week.
https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/657978/reddit-ai-experiment-banned
a lot of .world users say this was a conspiracy
Well. It is a conspiracy. A conspiracy theory, even! I have a very compelling theory that Boeing conspired to kill that guy.
Just because it's a conspiracy (we allege that people conspired to do something bad) theory (we don't have absolute, provable-before-a-judge-and-jury hard evidence) doesn't mean that it's false. Also daily reminder that the CIA purposefully adopted the term "conspiracy theory" to convince the public to dismiss allegations that they secretly did something bad by associating them with Bigfoot and aliens. At the same time as they were secretly drugging random members of the public with LSD and watching them freak out and fall out of windows.
That's one
But what about
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi
And we still deal with the Saudis like it never happened
It's a very plausible conspiracy theory. I think it warrants way more investigation than it got.
sounds like America
Well I certainly won't be purchasing any Boeing products in the near future.
I mean, good luck getting across the country without any airplane tickets.
I'd be more likely to believe that Boeing tried to kill him if he didn't die
About a week before OOP's post the openAi whistleblower also died mysteriously https://apnews.com/article/openai-whistleblower-suchir-balaji-death-283e70b31d34ebb71b62e73aafb56a7d
Sounds like suicide to me. I feel like Boeing is still largely at fault for bringing him to that point though.
I would hope that if I publicly proclaimed, "I have no intent to commit suicide," before my suicide then people would..
..at a minimum, state, "Brother that guy proclaimed he had no intent to commit suicide," every time it was brought up.
..then ideally that additional scrutiny would be applied at a law enforcement level and the case would be handled with extra scrutiny.
So lacking the ideal, I'm here to remind you that just before his suicide he proclaimed, "I'm not going to commit suicide."
I'm extremely puzzled how this isn't brought up every time, people need to remember.
who I do remember is Brock Turner, yes that guy.. the rapist Brock Turner. who now goes by the name of Allen Turner. that guy
You mean the pathetic rapist Brock Turner, who now goes by Allen Turner (also a pathetic rapist)?
I mean, fuck Boeing and the death still seems suspicious. But to claim that there was no police investigation is just lying. Suspect a cover-up or frame or whatever if you want, but seems like there was a pretty thorough investigation: https://www.wdbj7.com/2024/05/18/police-release-investigation-report-boeing-whistleblower-death/
there’s proof it wasn’t a suicide in the article you’ve linked there… well, it’s not the same as having the complete police report, buuut:
finger was still on the trigger when officers attempted to remove the gun from his hand. A police report states no fingerprints were recovered from the gun.
so, he wiped down the gun and bullets for fingerprints, and then shot himself?
sounds a lot like someone else shot him or put the gun in his hand and made him shoot himself (like by threatening his family)… and a shiny silver revolver is great for collecting fingerprints….
could’ve been an omitted detail… or soaked in blood?
they mention his fingerprints were found all over his notebook, so that seems pretty inconsistent….
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i’ll just go smoke my Sherlock Holmes pipe now….
You've misread the passive language here. 'no prints were recovered' can mean that they tried to find prints and couldn't, or that they never even bothered to try getting prints off the gun.
Let me get this straight. You think somebody else wiped down the fingerprints on the gun, shot him, and then stuck his finger on the trigger without thinking about creating any fingerprints? Does seem like someone half-assed the wrong step of that operation...
like by threatening his family
Exactly. Boeing investors/management maybe didn’t kill anybody. They simply asked him if he loved $familyMember1 ($age, $location, $bestFriend), $familyMember2 ($age, $location…)…
An unpopular opinion, but I'm not buying a conspiracy either. The guy wanted to hurt Boeing, had just finished testifying and saw the writing on the wall that Boeing was going to walk, and decided to kill himself as a last stab at bringing attention to it. Worked like a charm too.
It’s only unpopular because every time someone dies that’s even tangentially associated with some corporate fuckery the internet instantly calls it an assassination. It’s absolutely stupid, but the hive mind seems to be geared to desperately want everything to be a conspiracy. No better than the conservatives making vaccines a conspiracy.
This is not an unpopular opinion, the people here are just unhinged. It’s the other side of the same qanon coin.
There was a police investigation.
They just didn't investigate Boeing about it because the police investigation determined they weren't involved.
If you truly believe there should be investigations, you have to accept when the results of the investigations don't match your expectations. That's why we have investigations.
The military industrial company a person was whistleblowing against wasn't investigated in the mysterious death of that person.
Yeah that's called not doing a proper investigation.
I need to step in here with a major correction, John Barnett was not Whistleblowing. That's not what the court case was about at all.
No, the court case was for the wrongful termination, which was a result of his whistleblowing.
This is an important distinction, because the whistleblowing was done. John Barnett had nothing more to offer authorities, because he had already turned over all the evidence he collected. That particular case was a done deal years ago.
John Barnett then sued Boeing over his wrongful termination, and some apparent black balling. (i.e. retaliatory rumormongering to prevent John from working in aerospace).
John lost the lawsuit. He then appealed that decision, and it wasn't going well.
This is the situation that led to his suicide. Boeing 100% drove a man to kill himself. But no, they didn't fucking hire some guy to go kill John Barnett, that would be fucking stupid.
If you truly believe there should be investigations, you have to accept when the results of the investigations
That doesn't logically follow. It's like insisting OJ wasn't guilty of murder, because the criminal case didn't stick. But he was guilty of "wrongful death" because the civil suit did stick. What kind of conclusion do we draw when the police fumble the bag and private investigators continue to turn up incriminating evidence?
And even then, you can both have an investigation (even one that turns up culprits) and still have a cover-up.
There's even a term for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
According to Victor Marchetti, a former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), a limited hangout is "spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further."[
A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy
Reminds me of the Epstein thing. It could be AI. But people do love their conspiracy theories, too.
Unless there’s actual evidence that it’s AI, I think this is an absolutely absurd assumption to make.
But one ceo gets killed and the polic and fbi go all in
they're just doing their job. protecting the interests of big business and the wealthy.
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So what now we like conspiracy theories when they suit us?
Chat,
Did the Boeing whistleblower who deliberately told his family and friends that he wasn't suicidal commit suicide?
Suicidal people lie about being suicidal.
That's like the first thing you learn Suicide Awareness.
What about tha other one a few weeks off from that one?
His own family filed a lawsuit against Boeing that they were responsible for his death by causing his anxiety and depression. Is this the moral equivalent of murder? Probably. Is it the same as pulling the trigger? No. Why not? Because truth, and clarity in speech matter.
Do you actually know anyone suicidal? They usually don't tell people. They often don't know themselves. They changed their mind. They're depressed. They're anxious. They're not well. They die suddenly. Everyone is surprised. That is how it goes.
So what now we like conspiracy theories when they suit us?
No shit, Sherlock. Always have. How does this surprise you?
Jeffrey Epstein. Imagine how many people whose names you haven’t heard just randomly committed suicide one day. Or had an accident. Or just disappeared.
Chiquita overthrew a government and everyone still loves their bananas 🤷♂️
Right!? We literally have a store called Banana Republic.
the most interesting part to me is that nowhere along the line did anyone mention just how interesting it all is. you know the real bad shit has started when the press shuts up and universities bend over and one of the richest people in the fucking world has to re-think his pricing displays because it pissed off the King.
edit to add - he put a fucking tax on british tea without congress. that's a taxation without representation. on british fucking tea.
This is honestly a subject I get annoyed about. The US has ‘whistleblower’ protections but it’s really not there. This isn’t a black-op opp, it’s a failure of protections/proper compensations for blowing the whistle. Imagine you’ve spent your whole life dedicated to one field of engineering. You’ve now sacrificed it to blow the whistle. It’s not fair, nor is it just, but that’s what happens.
Boeing has done so much wrong that it honestly feels negligent to focus on a perceived assassination. And it directs attention away from how whistleblowers could be protected
You can know a lot
You can know a little
But whatever you know
Just don't blow the whistle
Jesse Welles might be the Guthrie of our time.
He wasn’t rich enough for anyone to care about.
Well shit, that doctor who phrase about the human super power of forgetting rings even true day by day
This did not happen.
Was there ever a credible investigation?
What’s there to investigate? It was just your normal everyday ‘outside a hotel, the day before your witness testimony to expose how a giant government backed multinational corporation is sacrificing people’s lives for profit, suicide’ It happens all the time!
Do you assume guilt in the absence of an investigation?
Yes.
Yes but won’t anybody think of Shareholder Value?!!
I suppose once you're responsible for hundreds to thousands of innocent people's deaths, one more kinda fades into the background without much further effect.
The risk/reward analysis goes against assassinating the man. Despite prevailing opinions on executives around here, they're not fucking stupid, especially at the level of one who could order a hit. Even if several were involved for plausible deniability, they would all foresee the circular firing squad in the event murder came to light.
Seems like the risk paid off pretty well considering he was testifying about scrap parts in their planes and none of Boeings planes were grounded or inspected as a result.
Yup, what would the executives actually lose if they were found guilty in the court case? They'd need to find new jobs, but would give themselves fat severance packages.
Corporations suck ass, but this is nonsense.
The risk/reward analysis goes against assassinating the man.
You're assuming reason and logic. Money addicted billionaire CEO's are about as rational as crackwhores who need a fix.
I remember thinking how much like Russia it would be to try to damage an American companies reputation, especially one that is providing support for their enemy....
Slow down there, Joseph McCarthy. /s
Not everything fucked up about capitalism can be reasonably pinned on the Russians.
Edith: didn't know about the murder. That changes it.
Murder and execution is not the same as gross neglicence. It was Missmanagement and cost optimization (if you can call this that) and a fuck you attitude. and it's bad. It's horrible and people should go to jail and definitely to court. But murder? No.
Pretty sure it's referencing John Barnett who allegedly shot himself in his truck while he was engaged in active litigation against Boeing. It ain't about the doors, it's about their whistleblowers no longer being around to testify.
Uh that is bad. Didn't even know about that. Didn't make the news im europe at least for me.
or y’know, they didn’t
edit: yeah downvote me because you’re a conspiracy theorist lmao
honestly, you're not being downvoted for your opinion. you're being downvoted because you're just being contrarian without providing anything at all to substantiate your stance. you might have well just wrote "lol" or something else just as asinine. no offense, of course
Lol what? There's no evidence this happened. It's up to the conspiracy theorists to provide evidence, which they never do. You cant just be like, prove that DIDNT happen!! Like hello? Has this entire comment thread lost its collective mind? Does truth and evidence mean nothing?
i really don’t think so. that’s not how downvoting works and you know that lmao. i made people mega mad because i don’t believe Boeing murdered a guy, like cut the shit. you can read his suicide note and see his handwriting and his thoughts. i didn’t think to post that??? i thought contributing skepticism was at least an acceptable comment but excuse me for breaking some weird internet etiquette.