But it's all about convenience

I have drawn myself as a chad and you as an ugly wojack so my position is clearly the correct one.
Windows users hate this one neat trick.
- I mean, Windows 10 is okay, but man have MS really gotten shitty in the last few years.
  
  Fully agree. Windows is trash spyware now that doesn't respect user choice.
  I was really commenting more on the meme itself.
  
  Yeah, it's cyclical. They're re-entering their shithead phase.
  Embrace. Extend. Extinguish. The got smacked with those EU antitrust lawsuits and they reset back to Embrace, and started participating in open-source again. Then they started extending by doing shit like buying GitHub and adding even more cool shit to it. Now they're entering in extinguish phase where they're doing shit like making it difficult to change default browser, and integrating all their services together without the ability to integrate 3rd parties.
  They'll (hopefully) get smacked with another EU antitrust lawsuit and reset soon.
  
  I’m literally going to use windows 10 until it completely stops getting updated, by that point hopefully someone will invent a Linux distro that doesn’t irritate me
  
  In the last few years? You might want to read up on them
- Did you read the words on the picture, too?

I feel like I'm going to get flak for taking a position that's not completely anti-Windows, but please try to hear me out before casting judgment. I use both OS and think they both have merit. Linux- for the reasons listed in the meme, and windows- for those without the technical know-how, patience, or time for the better alternative.
That being said, if anyone thinks like how this Ed, Edd, N' Eddy looking mofo in the meme does I'll be the first to say that's a horribly bad take lol
Of course it is. There's 0 reason to come after anyone for choosing Linux as any, if at all, of the extra effort incurred is only going to affect them personally.
Edit: Not even a single flak in the comments, the happiest I've ever been to stand corrected. We've done it, world peace achieved.
- I think the problem is preinstalls. No one was born understanding how Windows works, we had gathered that experience over time. If the computer you were introduced to was a Linux system (with X11 and KDE or GNOME), then that would be what you would get used to. Unfortunately, getting Linux preinstalls on laptops is basically impossible. Vendors love that preinstall money.
  
  Companies that sell "enterprisy" laptops (like Dell and Lenovo) usually sell a few models with Linux. And while not a laptop I wouldn't be surprised if almost half of Desktop Linux users today have a Steam Deck.
  
  I think that would not change the opinion much among the existing desktop userbase. That being said the younger generations are not by nature desktop users the way Gen-xers and millennials were. I think getting GNU/Linux as the default desktop for educational settings I think will have. Thankfully there is some traction being made on this front, particularly in places like France, Brazil & Argentina. Then again I guess it's not an either or, as having more vendors with preloaded Educational focused distributions & support would make such adoption more likely to successfully launch in such settings.
  
  That's very true! I would've loved this option in my formative years back before developing all the bad habits lol
  I must forget everything I know about computing. 🥋
- I use both. I've tried using Linux on desktop and there's always been a few handfuls of minor but annoying enough issues that make just want to go back to windows on my main computer. For my laptop that I don't use often, Linux is fine. For hosting services on my local network, Linux is fine. Neither are prefect but Linux definitely has come a long ways.
  
  How fucking DARE you. People should be forced to learn how to compile their OS, like Gentoo allows, and then have it crash and burn in front of everybody in social studies when you have to present your LibreOffice presentation about why Teddy Roosevelt was objectively the best president and spent a lot of time on making a slide with Abe the soyjack and Teddy the chad.
  /s in case somebody needs it
  
  For me the main issue is the time effort and the incompability with other people and my work that work with Microsoft products.
- Linux is slowly getting there, it's developers just need to drop the "git gud" and "special club status" mentality and concentrate more on user experience.
  
  Some people clearly are! Some distros are clearly focused on getting a friendly interface for everything, and proton finally made Linux gaming possible, despite all the grumbling from “purists”
- Yeah like I switched and love it and I think the gap is closing fast, but whether linux closes it or windows closes it is still up to chance. The easier Linux gets for everyday users who don’t want to learn command line the more people are going to use it. The more software that just works on Linux the more easily you’ll convince people. It’s not about getting to where your coworkers or your grandma can use it. It’s about getting your in laws to not need your help to use it after a friend recommended it
- I prefer Windows because I don’t need all the extra customization and in depth features, and I don’t want to bother setting them up. Like sure I could use commands to queue up file transfers, but I would never have the need and could get 99% of the way there with a drag and drop…
  
  It's fine until you have to move more than a handful of files and discover it takes the better part of a day and slows your machine to a crawl.
  File management under windows is really something else. Apparently there are third party tools that somewhat mitigate this.
- I stopped reading after Windows and just wanted to tell you to educate yourself. I'd recommend Arch to any sane person.
  
  People like you are the reason for the bad reputation of linux.
  
  ~~Brother, we're on the same team. There's a Debian distro on nearly all of my computers. I was just trying to add a bit of nuance to the conversation and bridge the divide. We don't have to be enemies.~~
  Edit: I've been had. Bamboozled, even.
- Linux isn't an OS. It's just a kernel, which doesn't do much like it self. GNU is an OS and Linux is one of its kernels.
  
  Yeah thanks sherlock... But it's quite a common simplification and understood by almost anyone.
  Edit: I'm sorry – after reading my comment again– that came across quite a bit harsher than it was meant.
  
  Ok Richard
  
  Did you seriously just post a GNU/Linux interjection unironically?
  
  Is it finally the year of the GNU desktop?
  
  Considering that Hurd is still not finished what other kernel does GNU use other than Linux?

He says, while using a command that brings a little convenience at the price of control and security...
- I love yes it is an amazing tool. I never had an actual use for it since any tool I might want to use it on (like apt) already has some kind of command line switch for it already
  But I just once in a while stumble across yes again and run it for half a minute and have a chuckle.
  Just like every time I read: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html
  
  Aw man that thing was so useful during University. The assignment submission tool required saying yes a million times as it explain how the whole thing worked for every submission.
  Piping yes into it was so much faster.
- If Homer had known about the "yes" command the drinking bird would've been out of work.

Terminal has plenty of convenience benefits over GUI as well. For example you can queue up long-running commands to go one after the other, something I didn't realise how useful it was until I was using Linux full time.
I use this one all the time for archiving stuff and moving it from my PC to my file server. Tar archive a folder, generate a checksum, move the new files over to the server, and then delete the original folder:
tar -cvf folder.tar folder && cat folder.tar | sha256sum > folder.tar.sha256 && mv folder.tar folder.tar.sha256 /path/to/remote/file/server/ && rm -rf folder
The && part stops execution if there is any error so the folder is only deleted once everything else is done without issues.
Can't do that with a GUI. Just make sure to proofread before you press enter.
- Powershell, released in 2006: Am I a fucking joke to you?
  Linux users: Ehhhh, kinda?
  
  Wsl is proof powershell is a joke
- for this part yes, automated process often better runs on terminal not GUI.
  but that terminal is not exclusive to Linux right? and Windows is not always about GUI.
- Sha256 doesn't protect your files when bits flip and they are corrupted. If you want that, add a par2 checksum.
  
  Good advice. Thank you!

A bit of convenience. Right, and a liiiiiittle bit of time as well
- Just a little.. Turns into a few hours or a whole day sometimes, not that I hate it though.
  
  and that can be about what you enjoy. I like making my computer so shit. Others like fixing engines or playing video games, they're all different ways to scratch that same itch.
- And technical expertise, and the ability to use a computer without accessibility aids, and the notion of what a “format” is so that they can open their kids’ halloween homework assignment without the formatting being completely broken, and the ability to solve computer problems on their own without calling Geek Squad or visiting a Genius Bar…
- I was unaware of convenience being made up of anything in addition to time-preference.
  
  it's more convenient for me to put a frozen ready meal in the oven for 30 minutes than it is for me to make dinner, even though the act of making dinner might take less than 30 minutes

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  Yes, do as I say
- Damn it, you beat me to it. A wise linux user you are.
- Beat me to it.

The price of convenience is always high.
Sometimes it is justified, sometimes it is not.
However, trading basic privacy protections for “but it’s so easy” is how the dark times happen.
- The price of convenience is always high.
  Why? I do things that are inconvenient all the time. It's inconvenient that I have to go to work 5 times a week in order to make money. It's inconvenient that I have to get vaccinated so that my immune system is stronger. It's inconvenient to have to meditate for 20 minutes a day to make my thoughts less scattered. And so on.
  
  They are not arguing that everything is convenient.
- First they came for privacy
  But it was so easy to use.

yes linux is definitely only "slightly" more convenient than windows, and also definitely more reliable
in unrelated news i'm now into my 5th hour trying to get 2077 to run without freezing, and my system has only hard-crashed about 3 times during the process
- Ngl... if it wasn't reliable, it wouldn't be the industry lead
  
  it might be reliable for running a mainframe, but running a mainframe isn't really what i want to do in my free time

Ah yes, linux supremacy

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If windows 12 is a subscription like the rumors say, it might finally push me to Linux. Right now I haven't moved over just cause there hasn't been a particularly annoying thing to do it yet
- Me also. I'm a developer they plays videogames. If the games I want to play ran on Linux, I would daily drive Linux.
  My job is C# focused, so my work machine is windows, but I could quite easily run Linux is I didn't have to work on .net Framework projects.
  Linux needs more having adoption... But it's a chicken and egg problem

Pretty much the reason to use Lemmy, Kbin or any other Fediverse based system.

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At this point trying to get around Windows would be inconvenient. The only "convenience" you're sacrificing is that you're probably been trained from kid to use Windows, and many things just work different on Linux.

reliability
- Why did you quote this one specifically? I only recently shut down a CentOS 5 system that ran for 3300 days.
  
  Linux is very reliable when used continuously in a static environment (eg. a server). I mean, 3300 days is like what, 9 years? (!!)
  But as a desktop... let's just say yesterday my friend brought their PC to my house and spent an hour and a half debugging a graphics card issue (yes, it was Nvidia) before we could play Distance (great game btw, highly recommend).

cost
Linux is only low cost if your time costs nothing
reliability
lol
- Solid argument