Do you guys have the meme that is 2 charts showing deaths by the system and the capitalist is crying calling the communist evil when the capitalist system bar is through the roof in the chart?
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29024092
Edit: Found it
Do we count deaths in prison, from preventable disease, nutrition, work accidents and suicides?
Or from genocide, persecution and "little accidents"
Idk man. There is not a single country having Communism
That idea alone is sort of impossible. There is no pure communist or pure capitalist economy. Hell even capitalism is one balanced region between four points of varying qualities: authoritarian vs libertarian, and market driven vs planned economy. Communism is an authoritarian planned economy.
One of the first economic rules is that it is impossible to have a pure economy. Purely market driven or purely planned. The closer an economy gets to it the more it all falls apart. Right wing totalitarianism is the closest thing to an opposite of communism, and it absolutely sucks. Several former Soviet nations went that way after the fall. They became so anti-communist that they had to become totalitarian regimes (pseudo democracy where there is an election, but only one party, with only one candidate, because they illegalized all opposition). RWT is as destructive to economies as communism was. I admit that perceptions of how communism performed is filled with controversy and misinformation on every side. But no matter how you slice it, communism failed mostly because it placed duty to community above basic needs like food and shelter. Or, more correctly, managers of production had no incentive to perform their best, so they performed at lower and lower levels until the whole economy was so depressed that it could not feed everyone while food was spoiling in the fields unharvested.
There is a reason why China switched to a capitalist economy, even though they still call themselves communist the way Burger King calls themselves "King."
Thats a good answer. Yeah.
America for example. Is not a capitalism country someone said. But instead on a fucked up system that allows Richer people to become richer with votings theough banks and tons of other things. While poor people become poorer.
And every countey has capitalism. Thats the idea of owning something. Either its the country itself or some individual.
And Communism somehow stays as an idea sadly.
I am not sure communism really evr existed in big scale, so the meme is not accurate. Please don't say Stalin was communist, unkess you don't want to read me saying I am a pole dancer (I am not).
Communism in it sense never existed. Would have needed a statless moneyless democratic society of equals.
Despise the people that say it was, and the people that are for and defend the attrocities those regiems did
And how many died under Stalin? How many have died under Chinese rule?
fewer than have died under the bushes alone lol
Didnt know mao and stalin ranna stateless moneyless democratic society of equals
Edit:
Not defending stalin and mao. They and their allys, supporters and defenders can rot in hell
So Stalin helped kill a buttload of Nazis which is nice.
And saying "under Chinese rule" is a weird way to state it. I mean, of course the Chinese people should rule themselves. Unless you're butt hurt about China resisting the western colonial powers and murdering a bunch of capitalists.
Given the bad faith of your comment, I feel no need to elaborate, clarify, or provide nuance.
How many were killed by the UK, US, France etc?
Under Churchill millions of Indians died in the Bengal famine
There was the Madras famine before that, which is less known.
British rule killed millions of Indians.
USAmerica caused the genocide in Guatemala. Carpet bombed Vietnam, Laos, Korea etc.
Couped Chile
The war on terror stuff
The Indonesian massacre on anti-capitalists or neutrals
Tried to threaten India during the Bangladeshi independence movement, by sending ships with nuclear weapons.
The U S S R sent its nuclear submarines to create a stalemate.
The capitalist country tried to threaten us with atomic weapons and the communist nation helped us get a stalemate and stable existence using their own.
France arranging coups in African nations.
Why stop at those who died under rule of Stalin, why not compare the deaths caused by capitalist nations in their conquests to defend freedom and democracy and educate the brown and black people?
Only one country has used atomic bombs on civillian towns, that too twice.
The main countries that have a 'No first use policy' are U S S R(past), India and China.
Aren't the communists and socialists the decent ones there?
You can say that it is a superficial move for propaganda. If so, why didn't the other major countries do the same?
It indeed shows a difference in policy.
What was done by others doesnt nullify what they did.
Both can be horrible and both should be condemed