Israel announces 'total' blockade on Gaza

I’ve been tracking the comments on all of this across various websites to see what people’s thoughts are. This genuinely might be the most contentious issue of our age. There are people who are vehemently pro Palestine and can dismiss the loss of civilian lives as’ what do you expect when people are pushed like this’ . Then others are hugely pro Israel and see this as an unprovoked attack by a terrorist group and any retaliation is justified.

I think everyone’s shitty here. Hamas is a terrorist organization. They use terrorist practices and target civilians. That’s a terrorist organization. There’s no discussion on that point. Israel is a right wing authoritarian state that regularly commits war crimes. The total Palestinian body count far exceeds the death toll from this attack by orders of magnitude so we can’t pretend like Israel was minding its own business and was attacked.

I don’t think you can point to one or the other as being the true hero or the true victim. It’s the greatest grey area of all time.

I absolutely condemn the Palestinians and Hamas for this act. I absolutely condemn the Israelis for their continued mistreatment and violence towards Palestinians. One will say they only act this way because of the behavior of the other. But at this point where does the original blame for all of it start and end.

The only thing that is certain is that there will be far more blood shed and every dead Israeli will be met with 10 dead Palestinians. I suspect this will be the turning point for this ongoing conflict. And in the future there may no longer be a Palestine as we know it. With the US protecting Israel no other Arab countries will dare intervene militarily. If the Israelis occupy Gaza it’s going to quickly become a quagmire with a never ending insurgency. It will be costly and in ten years Israel will be more unsafe then they were today.

There’s no good answers or good parties here. Just disgusting human nature and the consequences of half baked racist geopolitics from the 40s.

I don't know how this will do anything but result in another attack. Making people that desperate is not a solution that will work well. Plus, my fellow Jews should know better than intentionally starving desperate people.

So they will kill all people in Gaza?

So if it's a total blockade now, what was it before? (hint: it was also a blockade then, has been since 2007)

It's saddening to see Israel's military (which is not Israel) attack civilians and civilian infrastructure in retaliation for Hamas (which is not Palestine) having attacked civilians and civilian infrastructure- this is all a shit-show of punishing the innocent to get the other side to back down and it will never end.

Making one giant concentration camp.

Huh.

So, a minister of a Jewish state compares another nation to animals and decides that genocide is the proper solution Ironic.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment

I am not sure they understand what total means. Hamas didn't get those rockets from Israel - hense there must be an unmonitored way in from Egypt that Hamas controls.

If there is, all food comes now from Hamas = Palestinians support Hamas more. If that gets cut, videos of mass starvation will eventually pull other Muslim countries into the conflict.

Israel has announced a “total” blockade of the already besieged Gaza Strip, including a ban on food and water, after Hamas carried out the biggest attack on the country in decades.

Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said on Monday authorities would cut electricity and block the entry of food and fuel as part of “a complete siege” on Hamas-run Gaza, where about 2.3 million people live in one of the most densely populated areas in the world.

der crossing points; the third is controlled by Egypt.

“We are putting a complete siege on Gaza … No electricity, no food, no water, no gas – it’s all closed,” Gallant said in a video statement.

Israel’s chief military spokesperson, Daniel Hagari, told reporters on Monday that Israel has “control” of its communities following Saturday’s mass incursion of Hamas fighters into its territory.

Hagari said there had been some isolated incidents on Monday morning, but that “at this stage, there is no fighting in the communities”.

He added that “there might still be terrorists in the region”.

Israeli tanks and drones were guarding openings in the fence to prevent more infiltrations, Hagari said, adding that 15 of 24 border communities had been evacuated, with the rest expected to be evacuated over the next 24 hours.

Earlier, Hamas spokesperson Abdel-Latif al-Qanoua told The Associated Press news agency that the group’s fighters continued to battle outside Gaza and had captured more Israelis as recently as Monday morning.

He said the group aims to free all Palestinian prisoners held by Israel, which in the past has agreed to lopsided exchange deals in which it released large numbers of prisoners for individual captives or even the remains of soldiers.

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA AND NEWS AGENCIES

People want revolutionaries under constant oppression and inequality to fight a "fair, modern war" against one of the most well-funded militaries in the region.

Are people stupid? Palestine, unlike Ukraine, doesn't have the privilege of fighting an equal war.

I'm sure this will in no way backfire.

All those who condemned Hamas for attacking civilians, I wonder if they will have the same energy when Israel starves civilians?

Welp, whatever goodwill and sympathy I had for Israel just went poof. Less than 24 hours too, gotta be a record for them.

So, normal occupation stuff then? They have very little drinking water already.

This conflict has been bringing out the absolute worst in people. Lemmy is acting more civil than reddit, but fuck.. it's not great. I see why this subject is avoided.

I think it's important to keep in mind that Hamas is completely capable - at any moment - of surrendering, releasing all hostages, de-militarizing, and vowing to never again attempt to kill civilians. The water and electricity would come right back on.

Doing so would save the lives of countless Palestinian civilians, and if they had any care for their lives at all, they would do this immediately.

I'm not sure if this is better or worse than what I was expecting,

I was worried about the Israelis just storming right back in there and going full Srebenica over this.

Hopefully the blockade can be lifted soon. Since it appears Israel is at war against the government of Gaza (Hamas), there's a difficult line to walk where a complete and lasting victory is achieved while avoiding humanitarian disaster. A quick victory will hopefully avoid the most extremes of humanitarian disaster. In the long term I hope nearby Arab states help provide a peaceful solution to the problem.

Turns out when you push people from their homes into the sea with no justice for almost 80 years they fight back. Lets try starving them, I'm sure they'll stop fighting and just lay down and die, nothing could go wrong, please forget that the head of state is a criminal, its just not the time for that anymore.

ITT, no, you morally bankrupt Hamasaboos, not raping and murdering civilians is not white privilege.

Fucking Bougeyevik trash slime people, none of y'all can even read chat script, let alone speak any sham dialect to have even the vaguest clue about what you're talking about from the actual Palestinian perspective.

Why not the world have them the green light to commit genocide they gave no repercussions

There's been a lot of heated commentary on this subject, and some genuinely good analysis https://digressionsimpressions.substack.com/p/israels-strategic-cul-de-sac

I thought this was helpful and insightful, so sharing it here

Serves them right

This is barbaric, and no one with any sense of morality should be supporting the zionists any more.

In very related news the United States Government still suporting Isn'treal

Scum Israelis

Hopefully they fully level it completely. Gaza shouldn't be allowed to exist anymore.

I honestly think the two state compromise is no longer possible (something I strongly supported); we can all thank Hamas for that; they never wanted it either. They wanted Israel completely gone, and now instead it will be Gaza that gets wiped off the map.

I've no idea what will become of the civilians, but it likely won't be good.

Edit: For those down voting me, why? Do you honestly see a better path out of this mess that doesn't involve Hamas being utterly destroyed? Plus, none of the surrounding countries want Palestinian refugees because that means taking in Hamas sympathizers (did ya'll forget what happened in Jordan as well?!). Wherever they go, they bring chaos.

Well, FAFO

It's now the FO stage

War is basically just a literal dick measuring contest between two sides overcompensating.