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The mother of tattoo artist Shani Louk who was paraded semi-naked on a Hamas truck makes a public plea for more information

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The mother of tattoo artist Shani Louk who was paraded semi-naked on a Hamas truck makes a public plea for more information

The mother of a woman whose body was paraded through the streets by Hamas has pleaded for help finding her daughter.

A video showing German tattoo artist Shani Louk on the back of a pickup truck circulated on social media after the Palestinian militant group Hamas attacked Israel on October 7.

Louk had been attending an outdoor "Festival for Peace" party near Kibbutz Urim when the area was targeted. First, rockets were launched, then gunmen and appeared and shot into the crowd, CNN reported. Party attendees told the outlet people immediately started to flee, passing dead bodies on the ground as they tried to escape the massacre.

The attack and resulting conflict has left hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians dead, with Israel's prime minister declaring war.

A video of a young woman with dreadlocks on the back of a pickup truck and surrounded by Hamas soldiers started circulating on social media shortly after the attack. In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.

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In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.
And some terrorist supporters here on Lemmy were trying to explain to us that they were just casually "transporting" the body of a dead woman and that they weren't doing anything disgusting with her. We all know what islamist terrorists do when they spot a young woman, to pretend that Hamas is any different from ISIS is to be completely delusional.
Palestinians will lose more and more support (mine already) as long as they keep shielding the Islamist animals of Hamas.
EDIT: also thank goodness for !world@lemmy.world, because others like !worldnews@lemmy.ml are run by terrorist supporters (see for yourself in their modlog: https://lemmy.ml/modlog/14788)
- So question, can you be anti terrorist and anti Israel?
  
  Why not? Hell I’m Jewish and I think the Israeli govt is regularly in the wrong and I feel for the people of Israel that could have better lives and those the govt harms. I also think Hamas is evidently wretched and those perpetrating these abhorrent acts deserve everything coming to them.
  Unfortunately, while I’m sure Hamas will suffer, the civilians of both Israel and Palestine will once again bear the true cost of this conflict.
  
  I strongly disagree with Israel's policies regarding settlements, Palestinians in general, etc.
  That does not excuse Hamas or their terrorism
  
  I don’t support either group here. But the reason this continues to be such a contentious issue is the decades of mistakes and extreme conflict that lead to the current state of things there. The entire area has been in cyclic conflict for hundreds of years, this is merely a continuation of that with the complexities of post ww2 short sighted and racist policies enacted by the allied powers influencing the way things have played out.
  Israel is a far right authoritarian state and they are brutal in how they choose to operate. Palestine is a hotbed for terrorism and is equally brutal in the guerrilla tactics they employ.
  External influence from western and Islamic countries fuels the flames. It’s a disaster and a mess.
  There’s genuinely no two state solution. As long as these two groups share this place they will always fight. And there’s no resolution that doesn’t see everyone else dragged into yet another proxy war.
  Personally I think this will see some of the most major developments in this conflict in decades. The repercussions of this act will be large scale and relentless. But the Israelis will quickly find themselves in a quagmire if they try to occupy Palestine in any major capacity. It won’t be over quickly. Many will die.
  But I suspect that’s where we are heading.
  
  Sure, you can always be hated by everybody. That's generally my MO in most things. I think Hamas is a terrorist Islamic group and the Likud are ur-fascists.
  
  Of course
  
  You can do anything as long as you work hard and believe in yourself
  
  Not if you have a smooth brain, no
  
  Nope unless you consider israel as the terrorists, which from the point of view of palestinians is true.
- Both things can be bad… you know that? Right?
  
  And sometimes one side is much worse than the other.
- Mine is gone.
  
  I never exactly condoned them, but this is the first time in my adult life they've gone out of their way to personally harm innocent civilians. It's such a shocking and brutal display that I don't know how anyone could carry water for them anymore -- at the very least, this makes them equal to the Israeli government, so someone whose horrified at the treatment of Palestinians by Israel should be just as horrified here.
  It bears mentioning that in no way does Hamas represent all Palestinians, too. Hamas is hurting them too by hiding in civilian buildings and using the people effectively as shields. It's unconscionable to hide in hospitals and mosques after doing something like this, they're purposely daring Israel to make everyone around them into collateral.
  It is in everyone's benefit for Hamas to be wiped out and destroyed.
- It's possible to oppose Hamas and the Israeli government at the same time. Hamas being fundamentalist terrorists doesn't retroactively justify the Israeli government forcing millions of people into ghettos without access to clean water and regularly subjecting them to state violence. Or the ongoing settlement program, where Palestinian towns are forcibly evacuated and their property/homes stolen and given to Israeli settlers.
  Two things can Both be bad at once, especially since the only reason Hamas exists is because of the desperation of Palestinians caused by Israeli state policy. Netanyahu's government even gave them money at one point, because Hamas is good for his political goals. Hamas prevents a more democratic, progressive resistance to the occupation from forming, which makes it easier for Netanyahu's government to justify their ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing.
- Ok but one of those is funny "reason:explaining antisemitism to a Jewish person"
  I didn't read what they actually said but that got a solid chuckle from me
  
  I didn't know the pope of jewdaism was a lemmee admin. What an honour.
- I see this the same way I see Russians and Putin: the same way it is the Russians' responsibility to dispose of Putin, it is also the Palestinians' responsibility to get rid of Hamas. Hamas isn't recruiting in India, they're recruiting Palestinians who have been fed hate for Jewish people since they were little. Even the fucking Palestinian Authority, which many brand as "moderate", stands behind this terrorist attack.
- Wasn't that what she was actually wearing? Why do people assume assaults occurred?
- Colonizers versus natives, and you side with the colonizers who created this situation. Lmao.
  
  Damn fucking straight i do the israelis are clearly in the right in this conflict the palestinians have soiled their bed and must now come too terms with it being time too lie in it.
- Then you haven't watched the video, because we see the exact thing that is being quoted here:
  In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.
  They're celebrating, one of the terrorists has his leg over her and another terrorist is pulling her hair, probably both finally feeling manly and triumphant by killing a helpless woman, and they're literally letting the adorable Palestinians spit on her. If you don't see this in the video then you need a full eye check. You mentioning "brown people" is a pathetic attempt to reframe us as racists.
- And what will Germany do about one of their people being murdered in this way? Nothing. They'll hide behind their mask of progressive European nation, and do nothing, while likely supporting the bad guys, just like they do with Russia.
  You can't get Germans to do anything unless you wave money in their face
  
  What prompted this tantrum?
  
  ya, we did the whole blood and soil bit in the 1930-1945, we have since decided that ethnic cleansing is not the answer to someone getting killed.
  or what would you say Germany do? go and start slaughtering the people in Gaza? maybe dig out the old playbooks, what was it 10 ~~jews~~ Muslims for every German killed? is that what you are calling for?
  
  Israel has German submarines (the German version, not the worse export version) that were gifted to them, especially suited to be used in the Persian Gulf, on the coast of Iran, where Hamas' money and equipment come from.
  
  What do you want them to do huh?
  
  Damn krauts.
Can someone please explain to me why both Israel and Hamas (not the Palestinian people as a whole, just Hamas) can't be condemned for the atrocities they have committed?
Because Lemmy seems to be telling me I have to pick a side and, as far as I can tell, both sides have committed atrocities. Why should I pick either side? Why can't I just say both are evil and not support either side? Must I take a side in every conflict? Because I sure as hell didn't when Iran and Iraq were warring.
- You can, Hamas is fucking terrible, you should just add the context that the only reason Hamas even exists is due to Israeli policy. Trapping millions of people in tiny, resource-poor ghettos as part of an ongoing ethnic cleansing, you've gotta expect some of them are going to get desperate enough to join a religious fundamentalist terror organization.
  Also Netanyahu's government literally sent them money because a democratic, secular, progressive resistance to Israeli occupation would make it harder to justify their aggression towards the Palestinian population, and a strong Hamas makes that less likely.
  Same way 9/11 is pretty objectively a consequence of US intervention in the middle east, but the people who did 9/11 are still terrorists who (imo) deserved to die, the reason it's good to mention that it was a consequence of US policy is so that we can avoid creating the circumstances that lead to terror attacks like that in the future, and to avoid causing massive amounts of suffering as a result of military interventions in foreign countries.
  Hamas is one shitty side effect among many of genocidal Israeli government policy and imo serves to aid and abet that policy by giving the Israeli state an excuse to crack down harder on Palestinians.
- Most people can't handle nuance so for many issues are either black or white
  
  My side is the good side and therefore is justified in its actions! It can't do something wrong against those monsters!
- "Both are evil" rhetoric is often used to justify or obfuscate one sides crimes, and because on the broader scale, Israel unfolds destruction and death at a higher scale, so there's a lot of intense emotions from thise keyed into Palestinian struggle. That's why so many want you to pick.
  It is important to remember Hamas ≠ Palestinians, and Israeli government ≠ Israeli citizens. Yes, they live in a colonial state, but Hamas doesn't care if they try to fight to change it or not, furthermore, most left leaning people are in colonial states or in former colonizing states so they are basically saying they think violence against them is justified too. Everyone should be aware of their privileges and work to dismantle the systems that create them, but that doesn't mean they need be killed in order to realize that!
  It's ridiculous because you're absolutely right too, Israeli calling them all "human animals" and doing a total blockade of Gaza is a war crime, but so is what happened to Shani Louk. In the world I am fighting for, the people responsible for both would be held accountable.
  
  I can't think of a single successful revolution that didn't end up with significant civilian casualties. Revolutions only arise because of extreme discontent among a population about their socioeconomic position.
  Remember the Reign of Terror in France? Washington's campaign against the Iroquois in America? Revolution is bloody and revolution leads to civilian casualties, but at its core it's caused by systematic oppression by the government and inaction on behalf of the population.
  By the way, Gazans have tried peaceful protest. It got thousands of people shot.
- I find it's usually best to just avoid any social media around major and divisive news events like this. Specifically where people are allowed to comment and express their opinions. Everyone just gets more extreme in their views, are convinced they are absolutely right, and there is never any room for nuance.
  
  I get it, but it saddens me to think how many people might be around me both irl and online that would be alright with or even happy about the death of unarmed people of all ages and genders. Or that the people on the left in particular (since that's my camp) suddenly don't care about sexual violence if it's being perpetrated against someone they've decided deserved it or was a legitimate target because of social grievances
- I think the issue is, one is UN recognized state supported officially by the biggest military power in the world, spending billions in tax payer money in aid. While the other are people who are living in the biggest open prison in the world, get water, gas, electricity, and mobility shutdown constantly. And barley have any voice as media suppressed their truth.
  Now when the state kills people, with no guns or weapons, in front of the cameras, on the streat nothing happened. When the other do the same, presidents all over the world not only condem the act put also make it clear they support the state that publicly committing war crimes.
Hamas is evil and anyone on here supporting them are complicit in supporting evil.
- Hamas is a monster fed by Israeli antagonism because feeding those trying to coexist peacefully prevents colonization. They build a monster to fight in order to get more support from people who simply want the monster to go away. All the while, they move to accomplish their real goal of getting rid of Palestinians like other evil empires have attempted to do to Jewish people for millenia. It's a fucking tragedy to see people that should know the pain of discrimination more than anyone, perpetuate the cycle of violence. Theocratic nationalism is a sin against humanity.
- I could easily say:
  Israel is evil and anyone on here supporting them is complicit in supporting evil.
  
  But their evil isn't as flashy and sensational
  
  Whatabboutism at its best. Lovely
  
  In normal circumstances you dont support any of the sides. When one side kills hundreds of innocents of the other side and takes hostages you help the other side deal with the damage.
- You'd be the guy saying Native Americans are "evil" for fighting against European colonizers.
  
  Are you saying that europeans have a historical claim to America from BCE???
  
  Different scenario because European colonizers actually had a home.
  Where the fuck are the Jews supposed to go?
- It must be lovely to have such a simplistic world view. I wish I was as sure about anything as you are about this notoriously complicated subject.
  
  How is killing parents in front of their children, kidnaping these children, filming yourself with said children crying and showing them as trophies , crashing a festival and murdering over 200 participants a complicated subject ?
  Maybe think about reconsidering your own views of if the world if you support these acts.
  
  Hamas is evil, they’re a literal terrorist organization that uses fear and violence as their primary tools and methods. The situation Hamas operates in is absolutely nuanced but saying a terrorist organization is evil and supporting a terrorist organization makes you complicit in supporting evil is not an indicator of a simplistic world view, it’s stating an objective fact. If anything you’re the one expressing a simplistic worldview by ignoring the obvious truths of the situation and its various pieces in favor of obfuscating the parts of the situation that are self evident and clear.
  
  Ends justify the means sort of thing?
When you attack a festival for peace, guess what? You're the bad guys.
- Festival for peace
  Where is this coming from? This article mentions that CNN reported it but CNN just says "an all-night dance party, celebrating the Jewish holiday of Sukkot"
  The "it was a peace festival" seems to just be (not very good) propaganda to help drum up support for further Palestinian genocide.
  Edit: it seems that this was something CNN initially reported but retracted later. Damage already done, other articles are quoting CNN's previous statement that it was a "festival for peace"
  
  In addition to its harvest roots, the holiday also holds spiritual importance with regard to its abandonment of materialism to focus on nationhood, spirituality, and hospitality
  
  These are international festivals. Their Facebook page is still up last time I checked which could be a deadly mistake. The announcements etc were mentioning it and there are people who blames them for finding a "f.cked up place" to set it.
  
  Oh, well if it was a Jewish dance party then they deserved to die.
- You got to be kidding me 😂 a peace festival in a settler state 😂
But Reddit and Lemmy keep telling me Hamas are the oppressed good guys! /S
- I am yes to see that on Lemmy in the way you describe /: seems like everyone agrees that killing civilians is wrong, including when Israel does it.
  
  you missed the Marxists from lemmygrad who yesterday kept cheering for Hamas and kept downplaying their savagery
  
  I believe your instance has hexbear blocked. They were all over the top of /All yesterday celebrating these attacks and being generally immature. I even saw one post wishing Bernie Sanders was dead after he released a statement condemning the attacks.
  
  The entire situation is fubar. I feel for the citizens of both Israel and Palestine as both countries are just horrible to each other. To me it feels like there is no good side, whatever you choose, you end up with one form of evil x.x
  I wish there would be a good way to solve this but I am not sure that this will be fixed any time soon. Hopefully the bloodshed will be minimal, because hoping for none at all would be futile
  
  Someone hasn't been to hexbear and lemmygrad today.
  
  Literally in this thread right now.
  https://lemmy.world/comment/4279203
- There are no good guys in this story.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A video showing German tattoo artist Shani Louk on the back of a pickup truck circulated on social media after the Palestinian militant group Hamas attacked Israel on October 7.
Party attendees told the outlet people immediately started to flee, passing dead bodies on the ground as they tried to escape the massacre.
The attack and resulting conflict has left hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians dead, with Israel's prime minister declaring war.
A video of a young woman with dreadlocks on the back of a pickup truck and surrounded by Hamas soldiers started circulating on social media shortly after the attack.
"This morning my daughter Shani Louk, a German citizen who was with a tourist group in the south of Israel, was kidnapped by Palestinian Hamas.
Comments underneath her photos are now full of messages hoping she is alive, and condemning the war, and the actions of the Hamas fighters in the video.
The original article contains 466 words, the summary contains 153 words. Saved 67%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
- No, this incident is special because she's neither Palestinian nor Israeli, was purposely killed anyway, and then her corpse was paraded and glorified. Race has absolutely nothing to do with that. It would be just as horrific if she were instead a black man from the US, or if Israel had done it.
  It doesn't matter who the victim is, or who the perpetrator is -- they're fucking monsters and need to die.
  
  It’s about their position counter to what Hamas wants to see women to be.
  This is a story because it is an illustration of the oppression they desire.
  
  Just checking to make sure, you believe that this is the first person to be killed by Israel or Hamas that wasn't from the region?
- Because it was all at once? I'm sure numbers are similar on both sides if not far more killed by Israelis, just not in large scale attacks. So the issue is that they were loud and immediate instead of slow simmering genocide?
  
  guess you haven't seen this yet
I’m sure that western media will handle this news in a completely rational, reasonable, and non-inflammatory way.
- Do you not understand the concept of time and space as limited resources? The media chooses which stories to boost. Believing that all war crimes and other events will be reported, and reported with the weight they deserve is pure fantasy. And what stories are given attention are ultimately going to shape people's narratives.
  
  This seems to be a swipe at Western media, but are you sure you want to make the point over crimes against humanity and war crimes?
  Yes
- I don't know if anyone can cover things this horrible entirely rationaly. But I hope they at least examine their bias.
  
  Don't worry, they won't
- What is a rational, reasonable, non-inflammatory way to handle such a story, in your opinion?
  
  By not isolating the single worst instance in over 500 deaths as being representative of both the entire conflict and movements behind it. It took a lot of atrocities to get us to this point in the first place.
- Look: I'm a very vocal critic of the way media covers Israel and its far right ruling party, but I feel like this is a terrible place to go to reading this.
  War is hell. Terrorism is hell. What happened to this woman sand others is tragic. I hope this woman is alive and is recovered, I hope hostilities end as soon as possible, and I hope the treatment of Palestinians improves, and that Hamas and the Israeli far right are both disempowered of their ability to cause harm.
  
  Look: I’m a very vocal critic of the way media covers Israel and its far right ruling party
  I believe you believe that
- War crimes this bad are not the problem with media coverage.
  
  What preceded the conflict?

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