2d ago

Supreme Court tells Trump administration to facilitate return of mistakenly deported man

The Supreme Court on Thursday said President Donald Trump’s administration must facilitate the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, rejecting the administration’s emergency appeal

The administration claims Abrego Garcia is a member of the MS-13 gang, though his attorneys said there is no evidence he was in the gang, and he has never been charged with or convicted of a crime.

The administration has conceded that it made a mistake in sending him to El Salvador, where he is being held in a notorious prison, but also argued that it no longer could do anything about it.

38 comments

My money is on them not returning him. They will either claim they can't find him, he's been moved to some other facility and they can't find him or there isn't any proof he's actually there at all.

The question is this: will he still be alive?
- And if not…will America finally react?
  
  Oh pick me, pick me 👋🏻, i know the answer to this one:
  No.
- Dont take this as gospel but I've heard through the grapevine that prisoners from America are held in a different wing of CECOT. If that's true there's a very high chance he's still alive.
- And will his corpse be intact?
- The saddest part is that "alive" is not the real important part.
  
  then what other objective part is? if you can't reliably measure something it isn't important.

I am pleasantly surprised, but also cautious. I won’t be genuinely happy until he’s back with his family.
- He's probably dead
  
  Yeah, that aerial image of puddles of blood at the detention facility don't look too good

Is this the showdown we've been waiting for that will finally definitively prove we're no longer a Constitutional Republic?

Mistake. Sure, Jan.
This was a test of the Administration to see if they can put someone there.
- I think also to measure public reaction. They were all over the media saying "yeah but hes this horrible gang member so it's okay with abducted him and sent him to a notorious prison in another country without any due process" trying to justify it and see how bad the public would view it

9/9 agreed to challenge Trump? Nothing is won yet but this as interesting ramifications.

The Orange Turd should be in jail.
- One in El Salvador, perhaps?
  
  I'd much prefer Mars. He'd blend in with the scenery.

Sue or at least fire everyone responsible in the administration. This is not a game.

My bet: he will take the Andrew Jackson route.
- For the confused: The SCOTUS ruled that Jackson wasn’t allowed to force the native Americans off of their lands and onto reservations. Jackson responded with something along the lines of “they’ve made their decision, now let’s see them enforce it.” He pushed ahead with the reservations anyways, which led to the Trail of Tears.
  Until fairly recently, it has been the most direct “fuck you I won’t do what you tell me” between a president and the SCOTUS. It led to Jackson’s opponents sarcastically dubbing him “King Andrew”.
  
  It sounds like Jackson didn't refuse to perform any enforcement of SCOTUS decisions. Rather, he observed that Georgia --- which was the entity supposed to do so, wasn't likely to do so. Georgia ultimately did back down.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester_v._Georgia
  Worcester v. Georgia, 31 U.S. (6 Pet.) 515 (1832), was a landmark case in which the United States Supreme Court vacated the conviction of Samuel Worcester and held that the Georgia criminal statute that prohibited non-Native Americans from being present on Native American lands without a license from the state was unconstitutional.
  In a popular quotation that is believed to be apocryphal, President Andrew Jackson reportedly responded: "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"[7][8] This quotation first appeared twenty years after Jackson's death in newspaper publisher Horace Greeley's 1865 history of the U.S. Civil War, The American Conflict.[8] It was reported in the press in March 1832 that Jackson was unlikely to aid in carrying out the court's decision if his assistance were to be requested.[9] In an April 1832 letter to John Coffee, Jackson wrote that "the decision of the Supreme Court has fell still born, and they find that they cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate."[7][10] In a letter in March 1832, Virginia politician David Campbell reported a private conversation in which Jackson had "sportively" suggested calling on the Massachusetts state militia to enforce the order if the Supreme Court requested he intervene, because Jackson believed Northern partisans had brought about the court's ruling.[10]
  The Court did not ask federal marshals to carry out the decision.[11] Worcester thus imposed no obligations on Jackson; there was nothing for him to enforce,[12][13] although Jackson's political enemies conspired to find evidence, to be used in the forthcoming political election, to claim that he would refuse to enforce the Worcester decision.
  Eighteen days later, on November 24, the state of South Carolina issued an Ordinance of Nullification, a separate and unrelated attempt by a state to defy federal authority.[18] This began a series of events known as the Nullification Crisis. In an effort to isolate Georgia from South Carolina, the Jackson administration changed course in their approach to the Worcester decision.
  On December 22, Georgia repealed the law under which Worcester and Butler were imprisoned, allowing them to petition for a pardon without having to take an oath to leave the state of Georgia or Cherokee land.[27] On January 8, 1833, the missionaries petitioned for their pardon, but it did not contain an admission they had broken state law, and Lumpkin believed its wording was insulting to the state of Georgia. Representatives for both sides negotiated for a new letter to be drafted by the missionaries, which was delivered to Lumpkin the following day. In the final letter, Worcester and Butler appealed to the "magnanimity of the State" of Georgia to end their prison sentences.[28] On January 14, Lumpkin issued a general proclamation,[29] not a formal pardon.[30] Worcester and Butler were freed from prison.[31]
  
  Unsurprisingly he is Trump's favorite president.
- I guarantee you there's going to be a fuck ton of obnoxious fascists on Reddit and Twitter quoting the fuck out of Jackson today.
- He's going to commission a 600 lb wheel of cheese and leave it on the white house lawn? Or did you mean beating an assassin with a cane? In this moment I have been completely consumed with the possible meanings of "The Andrew Jackson Route." Jesus fuck, that could be literally mean anything. But all bad, no doubt.
  
  Specifically Jackson ignoring the Supreme Court's ruling that states can't uproot thousands of Natives and move them. He is said to have commented "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it." So Georgia was able to steal a ton of Cherokee land and kick off the Trail of Tears.
  A 600 lb wheel of cheese? Jesus. I've seen big wheels of cheese in my day but that one would take the cake.
- Fucking a slave?
  
  I believe you're thinking Jefferson though Jackson did own enslaved people

They didn't return him yet????

We'll see if they actually do it

Every time a court rules against the Trump administration it becomes a "is this the one where he enacts his coup?"-moment. Probably isn't there yet, he needs to install a few more crucial stooges in various posts, but he is definitely getting there. Making his oligarch backers profit billions from his tariff scheme certainly was a good way for him to secure their backing for whatever he has planned.

Here we goooo

It wasn't a mistake sadly

Is a matchbox acceptable, because they’ll be lucky to get that.

38 comments