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Donald Trump says he loves idea of sending Americans to El Salvador prison

www.newsweek.com

Summary

Trump expressed support for sending American citizens to El Salvador’s CECOT prison, praising President Bukele’s tough-on-crime stance.

The U.S. already deported 238 Venezuelans there under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act, despite federal judges calling the transfers unlawful and ordering returns.

Trump said he’d be “honored” to send repeat U.S. offenders abroad if legal. Critics, including judges and rights advocates, condemned the plan as unconstitutional and authoritarian.

Legal experts warn no U.S. law permits outsourcing American incarceration, raising serious due process and human rights concerns.

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Is 34 felony convictions enough to qualify?
- I has the same idea! What a coincidence. It's gotta be cheaper to put him down there, cheaper for everyone.

It begins (not really, I mean it began a long time ago ((couple months)))
... if he can send people to black sites that are non citizen without due process, what's to stop him from sending citizens...
- it began a long time ago ((couple months)))
  We've been sending people off to legal black holes for torture and execution all over the world and calling it "extraordinary rendition" for a few decades now, actually
  
  Has everyone forgotten about Guantanamo? There are probably people there still who just got caught up in "911" sweeps for all we know. Even if they say they've moved or transferred all of them.
- We're already expanding our own Balck Site.
  America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. The average maximum security prison holds 800-1200 prisoners. The largest, Angola, LA, holds over 8000.
  Guantanamo Bay, located in CUBA (WTF?), currently holds about 120. They are now building a facility there, that will hold 30,000 prisoners. That's nearly 4 times our largest prison, which is about 8 times larger than average.
  The question is: Who do they intend to put in that new facility, which is far from any oversight by the media or the courts. It's in fucking Cuba, which is controlled by...well, you get it.
  I was a victim of the recent Reddit bloodbath, with a 12 year/ 900K+ karma account. Clearly, they reviewed my high-volume posting account, and they know how I feel about them, and the punishments they have earned. I expect that at some point, there is a pretty good chance I'll be getting a free vacation to Cuba.

You mean the same person who spent many thousands out of pocket in an effort to kill 5 minority children, found out they were innocent via DNA, and had no regrets, is a sociopathic piece of shit that no execution method is too extreme for? No way
- I'm out of the loop on this one
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york
  
  https://www.npr.org/2024/09/11/nx-s1-5108632/central-park-five-trump-debate

I'm curious about how well-informed most Americans are about the Soviet Union. Do they know that it was once a place where ordinary people were accused of crimes without evidence, taken away without a trial, and never seen again? Do they know that this generally happened because of the smallest suspicion that a person was not fanatically loyal to the government, rather than a violent criminal? Do they know that a million people were killed this way? And do they know that the Soviet Union was one of many places like that?
I expect that the Soviet Union doesn't seem particularly relevant to younger generations of voters, but isn't this the sort of lurid history that did interest them as adolescents? And don't older voters remember the Cold War?
- I think the sad reality is: Criticism of the Soviets by now has been reduced to just a surface level "feeling" of their tyranny. Basically a thought of what made it tyrannical was the lip services to communism and the red flags - not understanding the actual problems underneath. In the worst case, some people even openly say, that it's just that they put the wrong people into the Gulag, to then post memes about throwing lefties out of helicopters.
  I think history has shown by now, both the Soviets' criticism of US imperialism, and the West's criticism of Soviet human rights abuses has always had huge hypocrisies within, both systems very much capable of the crimes of the other. We need another international class based movement, that doesn't get caught up in national interest like that.
- Part of the problem is the cold war propaganda was so laser focused on "communism bad" that much of why the USSR was bad was lost. The older generation still have a knee jerk reaction to the word communism that right wing media frequently exploits to generate a cheap emotional reaction by accusing any group they don't like of being communist. Meanwhile the real horrors of the USSR are largely ignored lest people start drawing parallels with current events.
  
  Yes, Americans have somehow come to believe that, among the things the USSR did, providing housing and education to ordinary people is bad, while disappearing people based on their political opinions to be killed or worked to death in gulags is good.
- I wonder how many Americans know that this was the reality in Chile, after the USA funded and supported a coup that killed the elected president in the only truly stable and functional democracy of South America at the time, in order to instate a ruthless dictator.
- My former boss did time as a kid in a gulag. He spent years there. He could not tell you what he did. He is Jewish so it could be that but it was post Stalin.
- I recently re-read vol 1. of the Gulag Archipelago and it's striking how similar MAGA-ism and Stalinism is. I've known a fair number of Republicunt and MAGA types who cheer on all the tough-guy orange stuff being applied to other people. They don't read books and certainly not history books, and don't understand that Stalin didn't just terrorize the Other, he intentionally wrought terror on the entire society, from top to bottom. Nobody was safe. The Terror might have started with the peasantry (not sure) but it certainly didn't end there. The "intelligentsia" was one target, but so was the military (which Stalin purged) and veterans and scientists and engineers and religious bodies. If you looked like you had the slightest bit of potential power or potential influence in society (or were just too damn educated), and if you seemed to be even slightly uncommitted to the Great Leader, then he or his lackeys would see to it that your door was kicked down in the middle of the night and you dragged off for torture until you "confessed". Then a "tribunal" (not judges) would sentence you and it was off to the gulag and to a life of slavery in the Arctic cold, for decades or until you died. Or just a bullet to the head.
  Separately, there was the mass-starvation (for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor) inflicted on certain Soviets - a byproduct of Stalin's ideologically-driven re-engineering of the economy. I've read some opinions that starvation was the intent - a genocide against a potentially non-loyal segment of the citizenry.
  This is where we're heading.
- HitlerPig's leashholder, Putin, began his career in the late-stage Soviet Union's KGB, when things were so so corrupt, chaotic, wrecked, etc. that they simply collapsed under the weight of their own incompetence.
  Putin knew how to navigate the chaos and even use it to his advantage, and now he's plunging us into political and economic chaos so he can exploit and loot us, with HitlerPig and Musk as his muscle.
- The settler-states need to be de-Nazified.

Next stop is to label trans people "repeat offenders" for using a restroom
- It's the plan. They already have been trying to make trans people existence a sex crime
  
  As long as you follow it with, "in sports," it makes it okay to say, "there should be no trans people".
  It's a slippery slope, Murca.

He should lead by example

Legal experts warn no U.S. law permits outsourcing American incarceration
More importantly, are there any laws banning outsourcing American incarceration? Because they don't need a law to allow it, they just there to not be a law banning it.
- More importantly, are there any laws banning outsourcing American incarceration?
  Yes. The US Constitution:
  Fifth Amendment (prohibits imprisonment without due process and indictment by a grand jury)
  Sixth Amendment (enumerates rights entailed in due process for any criminal facing prosecution)
  Eighth Amendment ("Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.")
  The Eighth is the most clearly in play, supposing the courts actually follow the US Constitution, which they've been flagrantly ignoring for several decades (ex. there is no good faith interpretation of the Fourth Amendment that allows civil asset forfeiture or compelling anyone in the US to unlock a smartphone or surrender it for cloning, nor for the Fifth and Sixth which allow removing individuals to a military base to be held without trial).

Of course he does. He's a sociopath.

He's American himself, soooo... What are you all waiting for?

Trump is a repeat offender. Can you imagine him being sent to those prisons? He wouldn't even make it past the first day.
- He's sending people there with less it's a(nother) mistake waiting to go off.
- Da belle of da ball.

Why are these judges not issuing arrest orders for those involved in denying their edicts? We all know the melting orange isn't personally putting people on planes (he never personally does anything except drive a golf cart and eat hamberders), so surely the people involved in openly defying judges can be arrested, no?
- They've either been bought or know they'll be next if they step out of line.
- He famously can't drive. They won't let him behind the wheel of a golf cart for etiquette and safety violations.

This shit right here is why need a well-regulated militia
- The 2nd amendment was meant for anyone who would try to take away the 1st amendment. Or any of the others.

OK, lets start with deporting himself.

I would say that he said the quiet part out loud, but he has been saying the quiet part this whole time.

Make American Gulags Again

I think all felons pending sentencing should be extradicted to El Salvador as well.
- You serious, my dude?
  
  Maybe I should have been specific to just the overly orange tanned obese wannabe men.

Why does El Salvador spend money on American criminals? Dumb question
- They don't. America pays them to house them. It costs them less to imprison them than America pays them. This causes profit.

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