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Senators warn House Republicans that a more conservative speaker wouldn't make their dreams come true

www.nbcnews.com Senators warn House Republicans that a more conservative speaker wouldn't make their dreams come true

Both Republican and Democratic senators emphasize that any successor to Kevin McCarthy will inherit the divided government that befell him — with another shutdown looming.

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I think they're more interested in repeating history than learning from it.
- I think you're absolutely right. Jordan won his election with over 69%. He is in no danger of losing his seat. It's beneficial for him to run around screaming and throwing political hand grenades. There's no incentive for him to try and negotiate with the white house or Senate. It's a long way off but I really hope the house flips big time in the next election.
- Their entire goal is to repeat history. They want non-white people back in the fields and women back in the kitchen. They want to go back to a time where only rich white men have rights.
  
  I think they’d settle for neofeudalism
- And the rest of the government, the rest of the media, the rest of corporate America and the rest of the country along with them. If they aren't actively supporting it, they're more than willing to stand aside and just watch it happen.
  Everyone wants to head towards a fascist future .... if they work hard enough and with continued dedication, they'll achieve it.
  
  no. not everyone. not both sides. jfc.

House republicans are running their party like they have all three chambers, and a huge majority. In reality, they’ve only got 4 seats that they can afford to lose in the only chamber that they control. To pass a bill means doing it with Denocratic support (from the Senate and Executive).
They’re going to need to pick someone that basically all Republicans can agree on, so it’s not going to be one of the most extreme ones.
- They're not trying to pass anything...
  They want the government shut down. And a handful of em can do it on their own, so they are
  
  Exactly . This looks great for Gaetz since he only cares about pandering to the Nazi extremes of his party. He doesn’t care if the government shuts down, to him that’s just stopping the democrats. He will spin it that way and his base will lap it up. Most won’t be impacted and the ones who are he figures won’t matter.
  Our government is effectively frozen and at the end of the month it’s going to shut down entirely. A handful of maga fucks have figured out how to do that with our antiquated rules set in place by men who believed all men would forever possess a conscience and morality. These shit goblins possess neither.
  We need a democratic super majority so that we can pass sweeping reforms and ensure this doesn’t happen again. We need the ability to oust these cucks so they’re forced to scurry back into whatever hole they crawled out of. Trumps going down. Rudy is broke. Johnny MyPillow is eating shit. Keep that energy, focus in on the rest of these traitors. Send them back to the dysfunctional states that shit them out and remind them that their federal funding is dependent on them not being complete ass hats. No more pandering to these idiots. Bring the hammer down hard.
  
  Yup, they want it to shut down so they can somehow blame it on the democrats.
- Not like they did much legislating when they had all 3. They just stuffed the supreme court which has had a worse effect.
- To pass a bill means doing it with Denocratic support (from the Senate and Executive).
  Exactly, which means all the Chaos Caucus has done by removing McCarthy is insuring that every piece of legislation that comes out of the HoR is vastly more liberal than anything that would have been done previously.
- No, they're running the government like it only gets in the way, and aim to drown it in the bathtub, just like Uncle Grover wants.

Somewhat off-topic, but I thought this quote from the article was particularly interesting:
"Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said he has only one piece of advice for House Republicans in picking a new speaker: “I hope whoever the next speaker is gets rid of the motion to vacate. I think it makes the speaker’s job impossible, and the American people expect us to have a functioning government.”"
Funny you should mention that, Mitch, because people have been saying the exact same thing about the filibuster for years now.
- When I read that I rolled my eyes so hard they fell out of my head
- "Yeah, but that's different, because it benefits me."

"The American people expect us to govern,” said Sen. John Kennedy, R-La. “I’d also advise all of my House colleagues to be sure to take your meds.”
Can't wait to see that one on poster board behind Jamie Raskin at the next impeachment theater event.
- LOL and from a conservative. They tend to be very much anti-antidepressant these days, so that's a really low blow.
  
  Someone should slip all of the RNC some mushrooms.
  
  Yeah but they might be pro antipsychotics after watching the Treason Caucus in action in the House

More Conservative then Kevin "everything Republicans do is the Democrat's fault" McCarthy? What's more Conservative than that?
- Both people running for the speakership, for starter.

I don't think the next time will take 15 rounds of voting, but there's going to be a long while before the first vote. I also think that neither Scalise or Jordan (who is my guess) can rely on any votes from the democrats. It would be fun watching the GOP implode further if the stakes weren't so high.
- I agree I don't think it'll go to a vote until it's completely a lock. Hopefully Gaetz will have another temper tantrum and be an even bigger embarrassment.

Did they tell them how to tie their shoes and wipe their noses too?

Moderate Republicans, including the 18 from districts Biden won, are told by the Senate that falling in line with their radical colleagues will take them no closer to governing. Will it work? Perhaps not, but the attempt was made.
- If this becomes a far right vs moderate Republican war I think the Democrats will grab a few bowls of popcorn and just watch the fireworks
  
  They lose if they do. If they work with the moderate republicans they can get a moderate republican All democrats + 30 republicans is enough to elect a moderate speaker, while all republicans will only elect a speaker less moderate.

Obviously, they need to fins someone who has bipartisan support. By this, I mean 2/3 of the House parties (Democrat, Republican, MAGA.)
- Never going to happen.
  The MAGA party is now all about "Never admit fault. Always blame others. Compromise is weakness. Losing is not acceptable.".
  These people got into office because their voters want the crazy. They want the Jewish Space Lasers and the Beetlejuice hand jobs and Hunter Biden's dick pics. Any attempt to work with "normal" Republicans or Democrats! is unacceptable and grounds for expulsion, and these people would be putting their seats at risk to a primary challenger even crazier and dumber than they are.
  Similarly, the "mainstream" Republicans feel the same way. Kevin McCarthy just said himself that the GOP knows they're supposed to be working with Democrats but they literally don't want to because they think that since they have the majority, they should just be able to do whatever they want. And it's been that way for decades now. See the Hastert rule as a prime example. Or McConnell's mantra where anything and everything the Democrats do must be opposed by default, even if the idea was originally a Republican idea that Democrats support. A Republican being willing to side with Hakeem Jeffries or even willing to negotiate with Democrats to elect a more moderate Republican would be political suicide for a lot of these people.
  And there's no possible way a Democrat is voting for either a Republican or a MAGA nut. Even if the candidate were to make all sorts of promises, there's no way for the Democrats to actually enforce those promises once they become speaker because the GOP has the majority, and they have absolutely no issues with going back on their word.
  Which means this is going to be one hell of a wild ride. Given our current political climate, I cannot see how any viable candidate has a path to 218, nor do I see any one of the 3 sides being willing to back down.
- But will they? Seems like the maga group want one that's frothing and screaming.
  You Will Respect My Authoritah!
  
  The question isn’t will MAGA support Republicans, its will Republicans support Democrats or MAGA
  I think we know the answer
- But who? Former speaker John boener? I just can't think of someone that Republicans AND Democrats could openly support. Speaker election is 50% + 1
  
  Fuck if I know, I’m just enjoying the show.
  
  John Boener isn’t in office anymore is he?

This is the best summary I could come up with:
The eight Republicans who voted to boot McCarthy complained that he relied on Democrats to keep the government open and failed to advance their conservative policy priorities.
But any new Republican speaker will inherit the divided government that befell the last one, as fears grow about how to prevent a shutdown on Nov. 17, approve new aid to Ukraine and advance other must-pass bills to keep agencies functioning.
McCarthy spent his nine months as speaker dancing on a knife edge of functionality and paralysis, constantly struggling to balance the demands of his aggressive right flank and the necessity of dealing with a Senate and a White House run by Democrats.
Senate Minority Whip John Thune, R-S.D., said the eight rebels who ousted McCarthy, as well as others in the House GOP, should remember who controls the rest of the government.
In an interview Thursday, Jordan, who has a long history as a right-wing firebrand, was noncommittal on the motion-to-vacate rule and downplayed the prospects of further U.S. aid to Ukraine without a clear sense of the endgame for defeating Russia.
Asked what they could do that McCarthy couldn’t, Gaetz said they’d pass the Republican appropriations bills that include a host of spending cuts and conservative policy provisions.
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- When are you going to hook up to SageMaker or Bedrock? You're already using lambda calls, so it's a logical next step.

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