Hamas begins brutal crackdown on Gaza protests with torture, executions
Hamas begins brutal crackdown on Gaza protests with torture, executions
Hamas has begun cracking down on Gazans who participated in recent protests against the group’s rule, executing six people and publicly beating others, according to Palestinian activists and residents.
just a reminder for anyone who says being pro-Palestine is being pro-hamas. Palestinians want to be free and to not be killed. this genocide is not about hamas. hamas is a pretext and a justification. the genocide is really about hate
I agree. Almost no one is pro-Hamas. They are definitely evil.
Still, doesn't justify starving kids, bombing kids and withholding medicine which forces doctors to amputate kids without anaesthesia.
Hamas is not evil dawg lmao I would be hamas if the shit happened here. Any reasonable person would take up arms in defense of their land whether they agree with the organization fully or not.
If American bombs destroyed your entire neighborhood and killed your entire family along with all your neighbors and everyone you went to school with you would rightfully seek out a way to fight the party responsible.
It's disingenuous to call hamas evil. Israel broke a ceasefire, killed 500 people(mostly children), kidnapped rescue workers and executed them, and has refused to allow aid into Gaza for over a month. That is evil. Any resistance to that in any form is just and righteous.
To call it evil is covering up Israel's decades long war crimes against Palestinians. A hundred thousand deaths on Israel's bloody hands? That is evil. Reducing an entire civilization to rubble for giving you a well deserved black eye after 70 years of oppression and apartheid is evil. Any evil you percieve from hamas is an in-kind response.
Resisting is human nature.
Stop playing their game.
Any time you feel tempted to condemn hamas, condemn Israel for propping them up and creating the conditions for Oct. 7th. Anything less is giving them cover to continue this genocide. If hamas is evil then killing all Palestinians is rational and necessary. You are unwittingly manufacturing consent for genocide when you do this.
I'm anti Hamas as I'm anti IDF. Both for Oct 7th and the 16 month collective punishment / cleansing and settlement.
Hamas is a reaction to evil.
C'mon, let's not forget land grab
So don't mix two distinct conflicts in one paragraph Sorry to come across condescending, but you can hate/disapprove Israeli politics and their followers as much as you can hate/disapprove hamas and their followers.
Yep, massive difference between the two.
Your comment might carry more weight if this thread wasn't full of people being outraged and claiming that anything that suggests Hamas aren't good guys must be "zionist propaganda".
You may not support Hamas, but maybe ask the people in this thread that are clearly pro-Hamas whether or not they consider themselves to be pro-Palestine.
The contents of this thread suggests there are a lot of people that are part of the pro-Palestine movement are indeed pro-Hamas. And there is little push-back within the pro-Palestine movement for people that take pro-Hamas and even anti-semitic stances. Anyone who does gets labelled a zionist and gets harassed and threatened.
Sure not everyone in the pro-Palestinian movement are pro-Hamas, but Hamas is a significant part of that movement. And when you have violent extremists in a movement, they are the ones that control the movement, not the pacifists. Because as we can see, the violent elements of a movement are willing to kill the pacifists if they speak against them.
Are people really this credulous? Have you never seen zionist propaganda before?
Did anyone check the sources? Two random people?
Did anyone click the links in the article? They're completely unrelated.
https://www.newarab.com/features/newcord-ai-platform-holding-western-media-bias-account
NewsCord, a generative AI platform that compares and contrasts said coverage.
Great, more AI slop.
Frederica Matteoni (writing in German for Berliner Zeitung) probably has checked her sources.
Gaza: Hamas soll jungen Protestteilnehmer zu Tode gefoltert haben
Edit, a few days later: The Telegraph quotes a known person who's describing what they did.
Hamas tortures protester to death and leaves body on family’s doorstep
Also, this is not new behaviour from Hamas. Take of look at historical precedents, I'll give a selection extending back to 2015.
Gaza's Hamas executes five Palestinians, including two for 'collaboration' with Israel
Hamas executed 23 Palestinians under cover of Gaza conflict, says Amnesty
Maybe it is time to stop and consider: maybe both Israel and Hamas are committing crimes of the most severe kind. History is not in short supply of one one tyranny fighting another.___
Frederica Matteoni (writing in German for Berliner Zeitung) probably has checked her sources.
Second paragraph in the piece:
"Oday Nasser Al Rabay's body was dumped outside his family's home over the weekend, report Times of Israel and other Israeli media, citing statements from relatives."
No it can't be!!! You mean both sides have extremeist elements that do bad things?
You mean a lot of people are really just innocent victims of the perpetuation of conflict? Two warring nations doing tick for tack violence to each other for no other reason than the last random active violence? Quote some 800 year old history of violence and do some more?
If both sides are bad can you please explain how I can virtue signal and make this about me?
Free. Palestine. (from HAMAS)
This is some absolute bullshit. I guess the bots and misinformation bombing has started again. Even on cursory glance this is some bullshit. So hamas are being targeted by Israel, that's who they're supposedly bombing, even when they're underground they're bombing them, under tents, under hospitals, under all the children they can find, but they just go out, put orders on and kill their own citizens? How stupid do they think we are. I haven't seen one of these propaganda pieces that actually have or pass basic common sense.
What's bullshit is that you believe that people capable of the horrific things that happened on October 7 would never ever torture and kill people that threatened their power.
Hamas is a fascist organization, and this is how fascists roll.
Netanyahu put hamas in power. And yes there's been reports from people captured by hamas. They don't paint that picture at all. The only thing that paints that picture is Israeli propaganda. I don't understand why launching missiles, after being under attack for decades, is seen as a horrific act, but bombing and targeting children, as Israel is doing for a year and a half, not once, like hamas did, is somehow not. What you're reading isn't the truth. It's out there of you look. And you don't have to look far to find it, first hand accounts. Doctors in the hospitals there, actual footage. How do you think that made up bullshit, flies at all. Please tell me you accidentally fell down that hole of propaganda, not that you're just a troll for Isreal, because there's lots of them. More on reddit than here. I suppose that was going to change.
Ynetnews? Totally legit, trustworthy source?
ITT: A lot of of leftists seeing evidence that they have supported fascists and having to choose between remaining a leftist or going full tankie.
I can hope for peace and still think Hamas are cunts.
We all hope for peace, but some of us understand that Hamas is incompatible with peace.
ikr? Lemmy is full of articles, rightfully, bashing Israel for the shit they do. But the second you criticize HAMAS (Not Palestinians) and suddenly your some ZiOnIsT bOt.
Fucking absurd.
Yeah, if the pro-Palestinian movement was a non-violent resistance movement I'd be on board 100%. But unfortunately that's not what it is.
Odai Nasser Saadi Al-Rubai is someone we should support, someone who wanted peace. But he's dead now and those who claim to want peace for Palestine seem to want to erase him from existence. He was inconvenient to their narrative so they will pretend he didn't exist.
How can someone claim to be to be pro-Palestinian if they have no empathy for Odai Nasser Saadi Al-Rubai, a Palestinian that wanted there to be an end to this war? It doesn't seem like a pro-Palestinian movement to me, it just looks like an anti-Israel movement.
