Canada PM Mark Carney says old relationship with US 'is over'

Decades of history burned by one asshole.
- ...and also thousands of enablers in every branch of government, every boardroom, and every newsroom.
  
  Don't forget the millions of voters as well
- This is the worst part (for US), it tooks them decades to build a solid and trusted relationship with the western world, and within 3 month, all of that is gone.
  It's not Canada or Denmark which will suffer the most from-it, but US themselves
  
  Destroying is much, much easier than building, any idiot can do it.
  
  It's not Canada or Denmark which will suffer the most from-it, but US themselves
  I get what you are saying but at the same time as a Canadian that comes across as more American-centric myopia.
  We are a small country in terms of people with only nominally more people than the state of California spread out over a landmass 1.6% larger than the US. Our energy infrastructure doesn't fully connect through our own country and due to American strong arming a lot of our manufacturing industry is not super robust. It's the Goose next to the Eagle. We're tough enough to defend ourselves and make it hurt to attack us but we aren't getting anything out of this fight. For us it's a fight for our lives not a fight we can profit off of. Whatever wounds we take in this fight will soften us up for the regular problems we fight. The forest fires that have become exponentially worse through climate change that have erased entire cities off our map. The healthcare crisis of a mass of retiring boomers needing more care in a system that has constantly under fire from Americanizing rhetoric that has caused disinvestment from an ethically better system. The protectionist rhetoric that comes with conflict which will erode the systems of government and create legal precedent for more autocratic means of operation that will need to be later undone. The pausing of reconciliation efforts with indigenous nations. This conflict, even as it is now, will cause real trackable losses of life and livelihood some of which will not come back.
  Our existence and future as a sovereign nation is threatened but nope "The US will be the real victims of this"? Bloody fucking tonedeaf mate.
  
  I hope you're right about who suffers the most, we deserve it, and I hope the rest of the world prospers while we languish in our just desserts.
  
  To be fair, it really started in 2015 when trump started his first run. His first term definitely brought attention to the rest of the world to ask if we were really this stupid. A second term is just a confirmation.
- It's not one, at least half of our federal government is behind this and is signing off/agreeing with this.
- Oh, he’s started on the Smithsonian so it’s going to be centuries.
  
  Oh god fucking damnit seriously? He’s hollowing out the fucking Smithsonian? Jesus tapdancing christ.

Damn bros. This makes me sad on a Friday. We used to be besties.
Eh fuck governments, I'll always love my Canadian bros.
- Just like I have nothing against Chinese or Russian citizens, I hope others will be able to separate us from our fascist government.
  
  Unfortunately the tools of statecraft aren't all that granular. To make the Trump regime suffer, many Americans will suffer even if they don't support Trump.

He is right and I hope he and his party will win the election easily.

I wonder if this and others will force US rebuilding efforts to include governmental reform if and when Trump is out. No amount of Obamas can reassure people the US isn't just going to flip out the left time it changes hands again.
- Sadly i don't think that will happen unless there is a substantial degradation of the quality of life in red states. The failure and the cause needs to be so mind numbingly apparently to even the most entrenched Trump supporter that they actually force their representative to join in on real reform. Unfortunately if we do have another election and control switches it's most likely going to still have 40% or more of the voting population have political blindness. Farmers will lose their farms and still vote Republican.

probably for the best

pls take new england as a new province daddy 👉 👈 🥺
- And Cascadia too, please.

ok so thats cool and all but how do we join? washington oregon california want in
- You fix your mess internally, do something to deal with your government besides complain.. In the other western countries we are starting to adjust to the US no longer being part of the club.. act before we get used to that concept.
- !general@50501.chat. Protest. Join your local Tesla Takedown. 5 calls. Buy Canadian.
  
  Americans should start boycotting red state’s agricultural/liquor products hard.
- Step one is to secede from the US. You aren't actually going to be part of Canada, but an EU style arrangement in North America could happen.
- Elect progressives, enact progressive policies and then apply i guess! I'd be happy to have states aligned with our values join canada
- you can't You're basically fucked
  
  The fascists want you to give up. Do not let them win.
- You aren't like us and we don't want you, harsh but for the best
  Imagine californians buying up all of Vancouver Island for example. No thanks
- We really dont want your states. We dont like American culture. Its led to whatever the fuck you have going on down there.

those are words of a politician. This is what "sells" today. We'll need to see very specific actions to back it up. Thus far most politicians shown lack of spine and would turn on a dime at first opportunity. Canada could've been "divorced" from US for over a decade now when Cretien hinted at desire to move in that direction... but nope, here we are overdependant on US and thumping our chests "never again".
- We’ve always known our growing interdependence is a risk, but there’s been many benefits and decades of good experience. Occasionally, the US has done things that have slowed this progression and has made many of us wary while some (especially business leaders in sectors such as oils and gas) insisting it’s silly paranoia.
  For politicians to make such a major move, there has to be a strong interest or concern amongst electorate. In a matter of weeks, Trump obliterated the idea that this is silly paranoia, and there’s a strong sense of halt! Fuck no! reverse, hard! So I think it is completely different this time.
  
  lets hope it "sticks". Any class in economics say "diversify your portfolio", Canada needs just that. 10% hit is less than 90% hit if you're dealing with multiple partners.

Now think of all the jobs to secure a massive border that didn't need to be guarded for generations!
/s

https://lemmy.ca/post/41399855

Pierre 2025, save our country from another liberal failure.
- Poilievre is Canada's right-wing aligned with Trump. He will sell us out.
  
  Dudes said nothing but the complete opposite the entire time he’s been leader of the opposition. Bring jobs to Canada, Canada first, ect. This is made up bullshit that he would “sell out” anything.
  
  VOD 1 and VOD 2
- There is no liberal party, there is no ndp.
  There is you, the frog, and the scorpion, the conservative party. And every election the scorpion will ask you to let it ride across the river on your back.
- Traitor.
  
  Ah yes I’m the traitor, not the liberals who go out of their way to attack law abiding citizens by taking their property.
  https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-gun-control-announcement-1.7402187
  Maybe go after actual reoffending criminals instead of wasting tax payers money? Crazy.