what are they bombing yemen for?
what are they bombing yemen for?
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That's because anyone who has been paying attention to geopolitics over the last two years knows why the US is bombing Yemen...
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Kids were killed but the chat leak was funny and that's what has been the people talk about instead.
Imagine being the poor family, who is stuck living in Yemen because they cannot afford to relocate, whose kid has died by Trump's bombing. Then all you see in the news about how they joked with emojis in chat killing your kid. "Oh your kid was killed in that emoji airstrike." Tell me why the fuck you would grow up anything but radicalized.
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Yeah, just to be clear. One of the targets hit was a residential high rise building. Local authorities are reporting over 50 people killed.
The target was one, alleged, terrorist and the building, according to the Houthi PC small group message log, was the building of the target's girlfriend.
So, the US just killed at least 50 civilians in order to kill a single target. Just to give you a rough idea of the kind of 'collateral damage' that is acceptable.
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Apparently the USA considers this legally acceptable "Proportionality" according to the wording of the Geneva Conventions, and therefore not a war crime. It is a highly bullshit interpretation according to many lawyers, but they have not been dragged to the Hague over it yet and probably never will be for many reasons. For one because nobody ever takes a swing at the USA in the ICC over anything due to political fallout, 2 because most other countriea are guilty of similar crimes and 3 because it is just too gosh darned convenient for the world power nations to be able to bomb apartments to hopefully kill one guy who they're pretty sure is a terrorist to keep their shipping lanes open for business. I actually wonder if there is any real legal line of Proportionality that could be crossed, one terrorist in a fully-booked children's hospital: still OK?
https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/proportionality
Personally I think any extrajudicial executions are unacceptable. If the guy is a terrorist then arrest, try and convict him. If that's "too hard" then the answer is not to send a drone strike at an apartment building, or a wedding, or a hospital.
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You forgot to mention the fact that the US is not a member of ICC
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Video games have given me the false hope that we can just send an elite team of ghost assassins to erase the target from existence, but apparently that's way too costly :( All that training on Ghost Recon wasted...
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kill one guy who they're pretty sure is a terrorist to keep their shipping lanes open for business.
How does killing a terrorist keep shipping lanes open?
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Oh, the IDF style of surgical precision bombing. How apt.
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I'm trying to emphasize what matters to the American people. Collateral damage of 50 people to kill 1 is not what they care about.
Maybe they will care about national security?
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Yet it's not terrorism
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Legally, terrorism is defined as a non-state person or group wielding violence. So our government can carry out any number of atrocity, rack up the corpses by the hundreds, thousands, or even millions; and still it would not be terrorism.
We get this definition of terrorism from the British legal system. Ironically, George Washington (and anyone else who fought in the revolutionary war) were terrorists. You can find British newspapers from the era describing them as such.
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Houthis are the only international actor acting in open military opposition to the genocide in Gaza. They are doing their best to enforce a shipping blockade pending a cessation of Israeli war crimes. The US obviously wants the genocide to continue, as well as all shipping trade through the area.
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No one is surprised by America indiscriminately bombing and leaving 150 casualties.
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Well, no one that has opened a history book is surprised, but tons of people are very very ignorant of the countless atrocities that the US has committed
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My dude this war in Yemen has been going on for like 10 years. If the idea of bombing Yemen sounds out of left field to you, then you are woefully uninformed.
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I had the opportunity to live in Berlin for a year. I made friends with a group of Yemen students. All of these people had friends, family or relatives bombed to death. Over the course of 2 weeks, one person lost 3 relatives to the bombings...
These people were sent to Germany to study and be as far away as possible from the horrors at home. Away from friends, family, everyone.
I was told that after flying to somewhere near Yemen, it would have taken another 16 hours to travel by road to get home. Their parents refused them coming to visit because it was just too dangerous.
I don't know how they managed to hold their shit together and carry on even as their families were getting bombed back home.
It broke my heart and I felt powerless to even attempt to comfort them. I'm sure they felt a sense of powerlessness that's beyond anything I could understand at that time.
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It's crazy when you realize, "oh, shit, they're just people." I don't mean it in an insulting way. I had that experience, too. Travel certainly helps. It's not even necessarily that you don't believe that before, just maybe that you didn't know or hadn't even thought about it, because who can know everything. But then what was previously vague/unfamiliar words in sporadic headlines in the background is suddenly very real and personal, standing in front of you. It's a gut punch.
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Sounds par for the course in the USA.
People are literally surprised when somebody reads out actual policy which was signed into law and who voted for it.
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Because our entire election cycle isn't spent on policy, but character attacks.
To be fair, there's plenty of material to attack, so I guess they get distracted.
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Because they "didn't vote for that". They voted for lesser evil, which includes bombing Yemen for a decade. The spoiler effect is obvious to fellow voters, but incomprehensively arcane to lawyers.
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10 years? since 90s more like
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What’s your point? The 90s were only 10 years or so ago…
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It restarts in 2014. There was a coalition government that the Houthis withdrew from. They started the civil war.
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I thought it was like surplus bomb housing country for old USA bombs to retire?
/s
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They’re bombing the Houthi’s in Yemen because the Houthis have been launching Iranian missiles at ships in the Red Sea since 2023? Including the US navy (don’t touch the boats) and Israel. The houthis are currently holding hostage a number of crews of merchant ships
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bombed for being based
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They leveled a building to hit 1 target
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The Houthis, is a Zaydi Shia Islamist political and military organization that emerged from Yemen in the 1990s. It is predominantly made up of Zaydi Shias, with their namesake leadership being drawn largely from the Houthi tribe. The group has been a central player in Yemen's civil war, drawing widespread international condemnation for its human rights abuses, including targeting civilians and using child soldiers. The Houthis are backed by Iran. The Houthis emerged as an opposition movement to Yemen president Ali Abdullah Saleh, whom they accused of corruption and being backed by Saudi Arabia and the United States.
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The MAGA movement have no care about what the administration does, especially when it comes to non-americans in a country literally none of them coudl identify on a map. But if you show them "look how poorly this bombing was planned and carried out" then maybe they will listen.
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Also bombing Yemen is a presidential tradition that every president in the past 25 years has done. Yes, Trump probably bombed them more in his first term than all his predecessors combined, but no matter what kind of president is in office, American's are very normalized to hearing that the president bombed Yemen. And because they are generally just periodic attacks, it gets hard to keep up the push to get the government to stop because the answer is always "well, we're done now anyway, national security reasons, bla bla bla."
So instead Americans vote for candidates who say they're going to get us out of foreign wars, which Trump knows to do on the campaign trail, and he talks about it more than any other candidate and people keep believing him, even though he's lied before.
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Both are really serious problems in their own right, one's just a little closer to home
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Also, one is going to spawn more of the other and worse over time.
It's not about the chat specifically, it's about ignoring any sort of rules the government is supposed to be beholden to, and getting away with it consistently as they push more and more.
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Are you actually asking?
The Houthi's are an Iranian controlled terrorist organization that have been attacking commercial shipping in the Red Sea since November 2023.
The Houthis have sunk two vessels and killed four crew members, forcing a lot of shipping to Europe to be diverted around the South of Africa.
The US and allies have been fighting the Iranian-backed Houthis for over a decade, this is just a recent resurgence following the war in Israel.
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You know, I don't question what you have said; however, this group chat has put many asterisks on this whole situation. I believe one person in that chat has said something to the effect of: "remember the narrative, Biden's fault and Iran backed." Makes me less sure about the whole story and motivations.
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I mean I'm sure the Trump admin has alternate motives, since they lie about everything, but the US has definitely been bombing the Houthis in Yeman since at least 2016.
Here's an article from the Guardian dated in late 2016 announcing the US first strike on the rebel group.
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If you're not sure about the story and motiviations, did you spend any time on looking up what actually happens in Yemen?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/22/every-shot-fired-are-yemens-houthis-a-proxy-force-for-iran
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It’s always going to be Bidens fault, and Obama’s fault, and Clinton’s fault. Whether it’s terrorism or egg prices or the economy or
<insert whatever issue here>
But that doesn’t excuse Iran’s behavior either.
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And Vance said something to the effect of, he didn't want to do it because it would benefit Europe more than it would benefit America.
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Sure bro.
That justified blowing up the apartment building the target's girlfriend lived in.
Because it doesn't just make more Houthis every time.
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I never said the attack itself was justified. I only answered the question.
A more targeted strike was possible, and it's reprehensible that one was not chosen.
The target himself was a legal target even by the most strict interpretation of armed conflict international law.
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That may be true, but there is one consistent lesson we can learn from US history.
Don't. Touch. The. Boats.
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Claiming that the Houtis are Iranian controlled is sheer missinformation.
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Yep and it's much easier and cheaper just to send in a bunch of drones that end up killing a few hundred innocents than to send in special forces that find the target with precision. And that in turn would be a lot easier than to stop actively funding regional genocide and try to calm the situation down diplomatically.
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A targeted strike was absolutely possible. So many innocents did not need to die.
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It's to make us forget about the "group chat" (see how familiar and nice it sounds too, group chat). Damage control.
Someone else can probably explain better than me why the "group chat" is not just a group chat but a massive abuse and illegal thing to do.
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The Federal Records Act was violated several times due to the disappearing messages feature of Signal they were utilizing for their plans. Jeff Goldberg took screenshots of the messages before they were automatically deleted when all Federal Records are legally required to be preserved for archiving and may not be destroyed except under specific parameters that they obviously did not follow.
https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-overview/required-notices/federal-records-act
Also, by using Signal, which is a secure end to end encrypted messenger, the vulnerability that is built into the desktop sync feature where messages aren't locally encrypted can result in enemy and adversarial nation states collecting these messages due to them being stored on an infected device which can compromise the mission and risk lives.
They could also have their accounts and subsequently their messages hacked with their information widely publicly available to hackers.
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The Houthi’s are enforcing their ban on ships headed to or from Israel to enter Yemen’s water territory. They did this as a sanction on Israel because Israel is committing genocide on the Palestinian people. When the US and European countries started bombing Yemen for enforcing their law, they also banned US and some European ships from entering their waters. During the ceasefire they lifted the blockade, and since Israel ended the ceasefire they started banning ships again.
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This is simply false.
The Houthis are not a state. There are a rebel faction in a civil war in Yemen.
Even if it were the Yemen government banning ships from it's waters it's can't do that by international law. They don't own the whole strait.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bab-el-Mandeb
Lastly, a UN resolution passed that outlaws this behavior.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2722
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If the Houthi's are going to enact a shipping ban then I assume they're willing to accept the consequences of enforcing the ban.
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The Houthis are a tribe. The majority (though not all) represented tribe within the government of Ansarrallah, a government that formed during and won the civil war when Saudi Arabia tried to steal Yemen.
Calling them Houthis is racist and makes as much sense as calling Americans 'Kennedys'
They have not been attacking shipping. They have been enforcing a naval blockade of a country committing genocide, something that is a legal requirement under international law. When Israel was "abiding" (or abiding as much as Israel ever abides) during the peace treaty, Ansarrallah dropped their blockade. If this is about shipping, the easiest way to stop this would be to stop applying arms to a state engaged in ethnic cleansing.
America has never been at war with Yemen. We got sucked into supplying Intel and support and weapons to Saudi Arabia under Obama because of all three weapons purchases from Saudi Arabia.
Finally, Iran has done very little in support of Ansarallah, in comparison to other countries that are majority Shia.
Calling Ansarrallah Iranian controlled is about as accurate as calling Israel American-Controlled. It's just another racist way to try to justify the murder of civilians. You know, the unjustifiable except to fascists like the person I'm responding to.
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I'm genuinely surprised it took this long for the US to retaliate.
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The US and international allies have been frequently attacking Houthi rebels since January 2024.
There were even memes about it.
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It didn't. It just took this long for people like you to realize it's been happening.
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They have been bombing them since they started. It just didn't stop the blockade, just like how this one won't.
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Because the houthis are raiding merchant ships
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Who are the ships supplying? And why are they firing on them? What's the stated reason for the blockade?
The answers to these questions demonstrate why the Signal story is so important.
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And killing innocent people who have nothing to do with any conflict
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They stopped all raiding when Israel agreed to a cease fire and they only resumed it when Israel resumed their genocide.
History books will likely see the Houthis as a heroic group that fought against genocide.
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I was almost with you on this one. Just because they're against the guys you don't like doesn't make them heroes.
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Bro do you know what the Houthis have been doing for years in Yemen? You do know that there is one of the worst wars in the world going on there, in Yemen?
This is not a heroic group in any way. They are doing the whole "fighting against Israel" thing for their image and because their followers demand it.
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Good on them for being one of the very few groups on earth actively opposing the ongoing genocide.
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He's giving you the rationale for why the US government is blowing shit up. He didn't say he agreed with it, and he didn't say it was right. The Suez Canalis an artificial sea-level waterway in Egypt, connecting the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea through the Isthmus of Suez and dividing Africa and Asia (and by extension, the Sinai Peninsula from the rest of Egypt). The 193.30-kilometre-long (120.11 mi) canal is a key trade route between Europe and Asia. The attacks the Houthis carry out disrupt trade. This is making our corporate overlords lose money. Since the US government is just a puppet for corporate interests, yeah, the corporate overlords are letting the US military dogs loose on the Houthis. The corporate overlords and US government don't give a shit about civilians dying via collateral damage.
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Political context courtesy of the Arab Center in Washington DC:
TL;DR: The Houthis are backed by Iran, in direct regional competition to Saudi Arabian (and subsequently US) interests, and the war in Yemen is a direct result of 10 years worth of failed intervention by the Saudis.
Excerpt:
Exactly a decade ago, Saudi Arabia announced the launch of a military intervention in Yemen, promising to lead a coalition of more than 10 nations—although some would later end their participation—against the Houthi armed group, officially known as Ansar Allah, that had taken over power from President Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi. Backed by the United States, Britain, and other Western states with arms and shared intelligence, on March 26, 2015, the Saudi coalition commenced airstrikes on Houthi-controlled areas, initiating a conflict that would drag on for years. Riyadh’s initial expectation of a swift, six-week military operation to defeat the Houthis became a prolonged and costly entanglement that has tested Saudi Arabia’s ability to impose its will on its neighbor and to force the Houthis to give up their control over a large part of Yemen. Intervention Inception
Saudi Arabia’s rationale for intervention shifted over time as the conflict unfolded. At the outset, it cast the intervention as a direct response to President Hadi’s urgent appeal to the Gulf states and their international allies that he conveyed in a letter to the UN Security Council in March 2015. Hadi called for states “to provide immediate support in every form and take the necessary measures, including military intervention, to protect Yemen and its people from the ongoing Houthi aggression.” The Saudis initially conceived of the intervention as a decisive effort to reinstate Yemen’s legitimate government in the capital Sanaa. As the situation progressed, Saudi Arabia reframed its objective as restoring Yemen’s political process within the framework of the Gulf Cooperation Council Initiative, which in 2011-2012 facilitated the transfer of power from former President Ali Abdullah Saleh to Hadi.
The core rationale behind Saudi Arabia’s intervention, however, stemmed from its perception of the Houthis as an Iranian proxy on the kingdom’s border. Riyadh feared that Iran’s influence through the Houthis posed a direct threat to the kingdom’s regional dominance and interests. The kingdom saw the Houthi takeover of Sanaa not just as a challenge to Yemen’s stability but as a potential game changer in the broader Middle East power dynamics. In this context, Saudi Arabia framed its military intervention as a necessary response to protect its own security and regional influence.
Riyadh feared that the Houthis posed a direct threat to the kingdom’s regional dominance and interests.
But while Saudi Arabia believed Iran to be the principal force behind the Houthi takeover, the extent of Iranian influence over the group at the time was, in fact, relatively limited. Although the Houthis depended on Iranian military and logistical support, particularly for weaponry and strategic advice, they were not fully under Iran’s control. Iran, while capable of advising the Houthis on strategic and policy matters, lacked the leverage to dictate their actions. Rather, local factors such as longstanding tribal rivalries in Yemen, the Houthis’ longtime opposition to the central government, and their pursuit of greater political power, were more influential in shaping the Houthis’ behavior. The Houthi alliances with former President Saleh and certain factions of the Yemeni military also played a crucial role in the group’s rise. In other words, Iran’s influence was significant, but it was not all-encompassing, as the Houthis had their own political and strategic goals. Nonetheless, Riyadh persisted in portraying the Houthis as a tool of Iranian expansionism. Paradoxically, Saudi Arabia’s prolonged antagonism may have ultimately strengthened Iran’s influence, as it pushed the Houthi armed group to deepen its reliance on Iranian military and logistical support.
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The amount of times Republicans said “we killed terrorists” during the congressional hearing, without even once considering that the 53 fatalities from an indiscriminate air strike likely included innocent civilians, is revolting.
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With US track record a majority if not all of those 53 people were civilians
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This is why the US and Israel get along so famously 👍
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If you kill 1 terrorist and 52 civilians, um no you didn't, they were all terrorists. Problem solved.
#murder #justkillin
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You've also just cemented the idea that the West is evil in the families and friends of those 52 innocent people, thereby ensuring a steady supply of fresh new "terrorists".
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In the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US labeled any "military aged male" casualty as an "enemy combatant" even if there was absolutely zero evidence they were.
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As proven by the fact that the young men related to those 52 people all joined terrorist organizations after the fact.
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For me at this point it's just a matter of surprise.
I expect the US to bomb everywhere that isn't Japan, North America, European Union, or Israel
Hell I'm shocked they aren't throwing bombs at Australia because Elon Musk sent a vaguely worded email that implied it.
The reason why I SEEM to care more about the phones than the bombs, is because "US bombing innocent people? Sounds like a Tuesday... but damn how did we elect someone so incompetent that I find out about the specifics?"
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what a bizarre fucking list. Japan?
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Japan and America have a bromance of both going ga-ga over the other's culture.
For every Avatar The Last Air Bender (American media that pretends to be Japanese), you have a Metal Gear Solid (Japanese media that pretends to be American)
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They're brown and poor and our country is deep in the arms trade.
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Because they couldn't fight back
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The bombing of Yemen is bipartisan...
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Anything to keep israel happy is bipartisan.
Then you wonder why that the case? If they are right now publicly intervening in US politics, what have they done in the past and what leverage do they have over these public figure?
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Israel is just a US proxy
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You know something's bad when both of our wreched parties support it.
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This guy says that like "bombing Yemen" isn't a de facto tradition for U.S. presidents. I'm pretty sure every president since Clinton has bombed Yemen at some point during their term. It's old hat. It's not news. It was Tuesday.
Like, sure, it's terrible and no one will deny that, but we've been doing it for 20+ years. This? This clownfuckery? This was new.
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It is so normal nobody even mentioned the innocent lives being lost as colleteral damage at the hearing
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Unfortunately it's always been the case for as long as humans have had war that the civilian casualty ratio is around 50% to 90%.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio
Edit: Apparently the 90% figure is a myth. According to the wiki it's much more likely to be 50% to 60%.
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Their flag literally says "Death to America" on it.
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opens a post with question in the title that is lamenting that news don't give any real answers and focus just on "trump bad" story.
all top comments are just "trump bad" and "all bad government" and has to scroll deep down to find an actual answer to the question posted.
leaves understanding much better why news don't focus on context and give just emotional side stories.
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You're in a meme subreddit just put the meme in the bag
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Bush and Obama did it too. Historically, it's been a targeted killing thing against Al-Qaeda (or so they have said), with whatever government they have, giving their blessing. If other sites are correct, Trump did it more, but it's kinda hard to pick nits there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_strikes_in_Yemen
That's why a lot people are more upset over the lack of operational security than the action itself. They're not conducting themselves in a way that keeps our country safe, They skirting monitoring and can't even get that right.
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Biden too, a year ago, which liberals seem very quick to forget:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/11/politics/read-biden-statement-airstrikes-houthis-yemen/index.html
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Which was due to them attacking innocent cargo ships
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There was no civil war in Yemen when GWB was in office. We attacked Al Qaeda in Yemen after Al Qaeda attacked the USS Cole in 2000. This is unrelated to any current conflict
The Yemeni civil war starts under Obama. The Houthis instigate the civil war.
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The bombing is worse, but using signal instead of official communication channels is still really fucking serious. They want to plan and commit war crimes and avoid any responsibility for it by trying to keep it from ever getting under public scrutiny.
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I've heard it called Operation Amazon Prime, which is pretty hilarious. But only like 10% of global trade even goes by this area, even less of you're just considered direct US trade. Combine that with the context from that Signal chat and it's clear they bombed Yemen just because Trump wants to.
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The Bab el-Mandeb is a hugely important chokepoint in world trade, and moves around 30% of global oil supply through there, along with 30,000 ships per year.
It's closer to 15% of total global trade, which is huge and really only affects European trade. Between 1.7 to 4 million tons per day of cargo transits the strait, and it is an incredibly tight pinch point, the navigable part of the strait is only a few kilometers across. Ships are currently detouring around the horn of Africa, which adds 15 days to the journey. That's a lot of fuel being burned.
What's Going On With Shipping has had extensive coverage of the conflict over the past year or so, with some pretty deep insights as to what is really going on. If you're interested.
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All the more reason for a diplomatic solution, escalating the conflict will only disrupt trade more. A peaceful solution is the only way for trade to resume safely. The USA has no interest in peace in this area, only conflict. The only foreign policy the US has is to sell weapons.
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israel wants to*
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people feel there is more of a chance to hold people accountable for the group chat than the bombing
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That's because The Houthi are attacking cargo ships. They are murdering innocent people on boats who are merely traveling through one of the most important waterways for world trade.
If you are actually informed on the Yemeni civil war and global geopolitics you aren't backing The Houthi.
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To open a sea route or something
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Because bombing the Houthis for terrorism or attacking Gulf states/western interests has been the status quo for over a decade.
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That, and because we don't care about Yemen, but we do care about an over powered executive abusing power, breaking multiple laws, and endangering US troops/assets.
TLDR: Bombing Yemin is legal, breaking US national security is illegal.
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Because it is controlled by the Houthis, Islamist terrorists threatening global trade, overthrowing a quasi-friendly government and REINSTITUTING SLAVERY.
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The United States government just sold over 200 people, without trial, into slavery in El Salvador. And the US explicitly allows slavery as part of its own prison system. The US has a large number of legal slaves.
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I don't think people understand just how fucking MASSIVE that bullshit is. Any credibility that the US had in human rights is long gone.
What turn is doing is what the original filibusters did prior to the civil war. Basically considering chattel slavery such an important part of their 'liberty' ideal that they wanted to spread it to places where slavery had been abolished. Like the carribbean and Central America.
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Yes, and how does that justify anything? I don't understand this logic at all, the US being bad doesn't make the Houthi slavers good. Slavery is wrong regardless of who does it.
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Houthis did not reinstate slavery. The "legitimate" Yemeni government that the Houthis are rebelling against reinstituted slavery
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Incorrect. While the ousted government often overlooked slavery due to corruption, the Houthis have expanded as part of their interpretation of the Quran, one shared by other nutbags like Boko Haram and Daesh.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/yemen/
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They're not threatening global trade, they're fulfilling their obligation under international law to prevent genocide by blocking ships of countries that are aiding genocide.
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What lead them to be on position to be able to do such a thing?
Who helped to stabilise the previous gov & infrastructure (hospitals) ... and stopped overnight destabilising the country early pre-covid?
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That is a different topic not relevant for the current discission.
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its something that would benefit russia so it was either russia or us
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I don't know, but I presume the answer is us.
But that doesn't mean it is at all reasonable to just let them shoot at our boats and, I reiterate, REINSTITUTE SLAVERY.
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The houthis aren't exactly the best representatives of the movement but still, this issue would be better solved by stopping arms shipments to israel and pushing them to a ceasefire towards a permanent peace. The houthis have shown that they will stop there attacks when the bombs stop dropping on gaza with this last ceasefire.
These strikes don't do shit besides hardening the antagonism against the west in Yemen. Ask Saudi Arabia, you can't take out the houthis with bombs. This is just a way for trump to flex his arms and act like a tough guy.
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I mean, Houthis have been striking passing civilian ships with missiles and kidnapped people. Not terribly concerned they got shot back tbh.
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They are only doing it because of the genocide in Palestine. If you cared about civilians you would be defending them.
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We only kill civilians because the others kill civilians
Eh, not my favourite argument
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No, they aren't and it's odd that you would parrot Iranian propaganda so readily.
The Houthi started the civil war. The Houthi are currently attacking innocents on cargo ships.
If you cared about civilians you wouldn't be backing The Houthi Militia and of course unless you support overt racism you shouldn't support The Houthi as their slogan contains overt racism.
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They were fulfilling their obligation under international law to prevent genocide, hence why they stopped when Israel stopped the genocide, and resumed after Israel resumed it.
The question should be why every other country isn't doing this.
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Not sure lobbing missiles at civilian ships and kidnapping their crews was the way to go.
Well, in any case, if you start firing missiles at other you can't be all the surprised if people start firing back.
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By this logic Lithuania could attack Norwegian trade vessels in the north sea on account of the genocide in Sudan. The logic makes no sense. Any country is entitled to attack any trade ship anywhere to protest genocide?
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One way to look at it: Yemen's current conflict is a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Put it another way, it's their Vietnam
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I think it's because they keep sinking commercial ships and firing missiles at Israel, no? They also shot missiles at Russian, Chinese, European, Panamanian, Japanese, Korean, and South American ships.
Why were bombing them now is because Trump's a dumbass and needs to distract everyone.
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That is an impressively long list of people they've majorly pissed off actually.
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Because frankly, the leak is more shocking than the bombing. I have no knowledge of any regime throughout history that has done anything close to that level of incompetence.
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The Signal chat "leak" was 100% arranged and intentional. Every person in that group was typing full copy-edited paragraphs like they were on reddit, not a chat room. They added one of the most conservative and compliant voices in the "liberal" press and somehow nobody in that small group noticed. And then he left to break the story as soon as he could instead of remaining a fly on the wall as long as possible like any real journalist worth their salt would.
Nah man, this was a little stage play to make this cabinet look like tough guys carefully making hard choices. To soften any public backlash against them bombing civilian buildings to rubble without congress even declaring war. I wouldn't trust a damn thing that Jeff Goldberg pens.
And to be honest? If I'm right, this is maybe the most competent op that the Trump II admin has pulled off so far.
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Hard disagree. If you read the signal transcripts, it sounded like frat boys planning a bombing run.. highly unprofessional.
I think it's also a good idea to state this is your opinion, and is not, in fact, "100% arranged and intentional". We don't need more misinformation spread around.
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All three days of the transcript are entirely what I'm pulling from here. Whole thing read as extremely presentational to me, especially the first day. They knew they were probably getting published.
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Hard disagree. Im not saying who is right, but no, people do not have to start their online comments with "this is an opinion ". Its a comment online, we can only hope its a opinion, and not just randomly ass trumpeted nonsense
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They're not exactly bastions of freedom-fighting rebels against tyranny, they are a dark-age group of bigots and legitimate threats to worldwide infrastructure by attacking shipping lanes. Shipping lanes keep food and medicine moving around the world, it's not just about the USA, most developed nations are supportive of responding to the Houthis with force.
edit: The situation with the Houthis is more about Iran and US than it is about Gaza/israel, PLEASE I beg of you to read up on the timeline and history before trying to argue with me and understand that the world is more nuanced than you want it to be, and in fact I challenge you to read up on this story and its history and NOT be disappointed on some level. There is no “good guy” in this, everyone is shit. Also I am turning off inbox replies so I don’t have to argue with reactionaries. Save your energy.
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They stopped the blockade when there was a ceasefire in Gaza, then they started it up again when the ceasefire ended.
They are doing whatever they can to stop a "a dark-age group of bigots" (israel) from continuing it's genocidal actions
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I know they have done horrible things and continue to do bad things but if the US would stop propping up all the other bad guys then this situation would resolve itself. We keep sticking our nose in that business and it will never bring about a resolution. The US hasn't won a single war since WWII. They didn't defeat the north Koreans the Vietnamize or the Taliban. They didn't win the domestic 'War on drugs' They won't win their war on freedom of body choice either. The truth is the US is losing and only ones winning are our enemies. Especially the ones we are helping.
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Wow crazy how they just attack shipping lanes for no reason other than that they're bigots, also crazy how their attacks just randomly happen to correspond with Israeli violence towards Palestinians and primarily target Israeli shipping. Almost as if they're rational actors acting in retaliation - but no, they're just crazy bigots doing terrorism for no reason other than "they hate us for our freedoms."
It's wild what a childish picture of the world people have.
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They're attacking ships in international waters, killing sailors.
They're not the good guys.
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That is where they are but not where they came from. If we didn't bomb and kill every person who opposes us and prop up the governments who kill and torture them then perhaps they wouldn't be attacking others. Millions of americans in the coming years are going to finally figure out what the rest knows. When the government treats people like criminals many will become criminal. Don't kid yourself about the brown part. If they were white there would be more talking.
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Why are they doing it?
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If I was a sailor, I simply wouldn't work for a ship associated with Israel.
They're not attacking Chinese ships, they're not attacking Turkish ships, they're not attacking South African ships.
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To add, this particular region isn't a country as that term is understood by anyone. It is lawless, unincorporated territory without anyone in charge.
It's finders keepers. First country who can bring law and order to the territory gets to keep it, and the Republic of Yemen, has proved either unwilling and incapable.
To be clear, it would be fine if the people in this territory wanted to live like it's the year 600 and kept to themselves, but that's not what they want. They want to be part of a new Islamic caliphate and rule the entire world.
Not gonna happen ✅.
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The Yemen people aren’t white so they don’t care
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While i work in the office, they play Military RTS for a living. This is so cool. Good for them.
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for the headlines. don't you remember the daily headlines. ran out of inflamatory bs.
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Those chat logs show that we're only bombing them because of the Suez canal. That is ridiculous.
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lots of warmongers trying to whitewash US and israeli war crimes in there.
Interesting thread.
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Nah, many of us actually understand the Yemeni civil war and know the Houthi Militia's role in starting it.
We also likely understand that the Houthi are randomly attacking unarmed sailors in one of the most critical shipping lanes in the entire world.
Finally some of us know who the Houthi Militia are and we don't support them because of that. I for one wouldn't support any organization whose slogan promotes racist genocides but that's just me and you could have an entirely different view on a slogan that promotes race based genocide.
Interesting perspective you have,
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I think anyone paying attention expects the US to sacrifice their public image to keep wasting taxpayer dollars helping the Zionists commit a genocide.
The people in that group chat were hired by Russia to do as much damage as possible, so this is them doing their jobs.
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Saudi Arabia has been bombing Yemen for years
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Because it’s sensational that so incompetent people are in charge.
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Launching a $2 million dollar missile and crushing a few children to death should also be sensational.
Unfortunately here in America that's just another Saturday.
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The fact that sensation is the motivating factor for reporting is a problem
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It's not like there hasn't been (and there isn't currently) reporting that's critical of US foreign policy but this kind of foreign policy has been going on continually for our entire lifetimes (and before) There have been protests and complaints. But in the end the vast majority of us care more about our daily lives than some kid in Yemen being bombed, especially when it feels like we can't do anything about it. So we move on.
Obviously it's not right but as a society we've all decided we just don't care enough to do anything about it.
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It's exhausting to keep track of everything that is wrong about this.
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Because they can
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One could say that the group chat that shouldn't be (absolutely everything should be over official channels) has a lot to do with why bombing the poorest countries on Earth is a constant.
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Hopefully this leadership is so incompetent that their stupidity like this gives some Ws to countries like Yemen. And by Ws I mean some of our terrorist in the sky dropping bombs instead drop into the ocean themselves. Kerplunk!
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This is why the leak because people are talking about it which can be covered up and denied by the shitlords and not the actual attack, which is unjustifiable.
And people continue to think these people are "idiots" and "incompetent" for all these things that they do. All of this is carefully orchestrated and planned to fool the average person. Don't fall for it. We're dealing with serious, horribly evil people with a dangerous agenda to rule the world.
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No, my friend, you are wrong. They are idiots. And they are also evil.
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This is why the leak because people are talking about it which can be covered up and denied by the shitlords and not the actual attack, which is unjustifiable.
Except Biden did the same thing, for months, before packing up because all they were able to do was murder a bunch of civilians while spending millions of dollars to shoot down each 200 dollar drone they launched, and nobody except for the left cared.
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I don't think they are that smart; the smart ones are behind the curtains controlling them.
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Yeah, you expect me to believe these groups, that have been collaboratingto seize control of local and federal seats, dismantling rights and chipping away at our freedoms for decades are just some incompetent fools? Pfft, sure.
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Unjustifiable response? This was the response to the attacks the Houthi made against unarmed cargo ships.
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apparently it has something to do with a lot of world's trade passing through the channel between the mediterranean sea and the indian ocean.
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Yes and it is nice to see that you came to that conclusion while so many others here missed this fact. The Houthi are murdering unarmed sailors in a critical shipping lane
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export weapons - import refugees
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The same reason they are funding genocide in Palestine and the same reason Russia is invading Ukraine, control over oil fields and oil transport routes.
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They are bombing Yemen, because the houthis are attacking our boats. Transportation ships. Never fuck with US international commerce.
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Why are houthis attacking our boats?
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And why did they stop for seven weeks?
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Money? Isn’t that what they ask for in return of the cargo? It’s either a bomb or a random. It’s terrorism
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This is America. The money is in treating the symptom, not the cause. Who cares why they're doing it, or that the likely cause is a valid grievance against something the U.S. is doing, when the U S. can put on a display of might to justify the war machine budget?
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False. The Houhis are attacking Israeli boats.
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Source? There’s a lot of boats that pass through every day. Like hundreds. I’m sure you guys are all experts on cargo shipping but let’s be honest and share your data
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They attack all boats except those from countries that do not support Israel.
The stated goal is to push for the alienation of Israel until it ends the crimes against humanity it is committing in Gaza.
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They are attacking whatever they can, including ships of their allies. Last time I checked the wiki page with the listed targets I did not even see a ship from Israel.
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In the text thread, they admit only 4% of US trade goes through the Red Sea. They question whether or not they should do it using that number, along side the EU’s 40% trade.
They even admit to NOT wanting to do it for the very purpose of hurting Europe.
But you go ahead and keep shining those boots with your throat.
You: “kill babies because I need my Nikes.”
FREE PALESTINE
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We’ve always kept a freedom of navigation policy. Anyone who does piracy or destroys civilian ships usually gets fucked up. These people do not care about the Palestinians if they did they had plenty of land to accept some refugees. Is Yemen accepting Palestinian refugees to save them from genocide? Or are they just doing more violence?
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Because zionist central bankers own our politicians through Aipac snd CUFI donations. The houthi are waging against the zionist state of israel to free the Palestinian people under oppressive occupation and genocide funded by our tax dollars
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You're putting the horse before the cart here. US politicians fund Israel because they feel Israel is useful for their geopolitical goals in the region. When they want to bomb Iran, they don't do it themselves and risk retaliations to their ships, they have Israel do it. Also Israel is great for the US military industrial complex. Korea can't put "tested in Gaza" on their weapons like Lockheed can.
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You may believe this is the case but it really is not. Look at the uss liberty incident. The us allowed Israel to attack a us naval vessel with impunity. Our entire political system in the us is owned and controlled by transnational multi billion dollar military and prison industry profiteers. they don't have any allegiance to the population of the usa besides their own class who all seem to vehemently support the same cause of the zionist ethno state of israel and the perpetuation of an obvious genocide against the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine. This all goes back to the rothschild family, the balfour declaration Theodore Herzl and the several Zionist terrorist paramilitary Groups that waged terror across the levant from the earliest moments of the 20th century until 1948 when the British occupation of palestine ended and the british empire gave control of Palestine to zionist leaders who then condemned the terrorists groups who carried out violent bombings, attacks assassinations and instigated riots that were responsible for the deaths of several thousand Palestinian jews, Christians Muslims as well as American expats, British citizens and British troops stationed in Palestine. But despite condemning these criminals the ranks of their terrorist groups (hagannah, irgun, palmach and lehi) were welcomed into the newly formed govenrment as well as the IDF and mossad and many of the current zionist politicians in the likud party and other Zionist political factions have direct familial ties to members of these terrorist groups. These wealthy individuals who had the power connections and means to form these paramilitary organizations still have family members directly involved in central banking institutions such as the IMF world bank wall street and other connected institutions. These are people who consider themselves far beyond reproach and above governments. The rothschild family has spent a lot on PR to cleverly deflect any criticism of their wealth and how they use it as anti semitism but the Zionist movement would not be what it is today without the blood money of this central banking family of genocidal war mongers
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Today on "Is it Lemmy or 4chan" : Zionist Bankers!
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Today on neo liberal paridoxical brain rot. “Anyone who identifies as a zionist is therefor jewish and completely absolved of being held accountable, the idea that ultra wealthy zionists who hold extreme Socio-political and economic power who have publicly spoken of their aims and used their wealth to manipulate and influence others to also serve their interests are very likely working together for a common interest, is just a crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy theory and should be discredited immediately because it makes all people who support a genocidal ethno stare look bad and that reflects poorly on judaism as a whole!”
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The houthi are waging against the zionist state of israel to free the Palestinian people under oppressive occupation and genocide funded by our tax dollars
You got a source on those goals? Because the Houthis are pretty bad ngl. Seriously, read up on who they are and how they want to deal with LGBTQ+ people, women, and other religions.
Not saying our administration would be correct if it said in a public statement that the sky is blue, but forceful response to their piracy is pretty much globally condoned and one of those "someone has to do it" chores that come with being a powerful nation. The houthis didn't give a shit about palestine before Israel started this latest genocide, they're just desperate for the support of naive progressives around the world. They want to build an old-school islamist state and all the trappings that come with it.
edit: The situation with the Houthis is more about Iran and US than it is about Gaza/israel, PLEASE I beg of you to read up on the timeline and history before trying to argue with me and understand that the world is more nuanced than you want it to be, and in fact I challenge you to read up on this story and its history and NOT be disappointed on some level. There is no "good guy" in this, everyone is shit. Also I am turning off inbox replies so I don't have to argue with reactionaries. Save your energy.
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US “journalism” since the Reagan and bush sr. administrations both vetoed attempts to legislate the fairness in media doctrine have become blatant capitalist propaganda. Of course the west is going to condemn any rebel group that aims to re appropriate resources stolen from the people by repressive oligarchs like the saudi’s and other nations complicit in the western exploitation of looted third world resources for pennies on the dollar in the name of maximizing corporate profits. Im pretty sure the british said some nasty things after the boston tea party too. Rebels are always looked at as terrorists to those in power who commit war crimes with impunity. Those with the money who own the media dictate the narrative.
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It's opec that's the money here, lots and lots of oil goes around there and the major target are opec owned oil tankers held hostage for payment. It's arguably a money laundering scheme but still.
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Within two years this same plot will play out with Israel backed Morocco in the berm vs Algerian fighters defending the native Western Saharan Sahrawi.
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Zero surprise.
The dems have always supported genocide very openly.
These memes about the "leak" represent the only principles that they have - violent support for the procedures of the status quo.
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Republicans put national secrets at risk while bombing Yemen.
You: The important thing to say about this is that Democrats support genocide.
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Yeah why bomb terrorists who fire missiles at ships?
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I know you're arguing in bad faith so this comment is more addressed at anyone else who comes to this thread and isn't sure why this sort of attack may be controversial outside of the opsec scandal itself.
There are ways to eliminate terrorist threats with precision to reduce civilian casualties. They bombed an apartment building and killed almost 60 innocent people. If you think that it's okay that innocent people die in the crossfire as long as you take out the threat, or that they are all terrorists by association then that's your problem. The text chain clearly shows they understood they had plenty of time to consider other options, but the Trump administration has no regard for human life.
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Yea, this is what gets me and what news media needs to actually talk about. The texts are a security leak and sign of unfathomable idiocy and incompetence, sure, but there are missiles literally designed to target and blender people in an area the size of a car and nowhere else. They deliberately did this in the most irresponsible, collaterally devastating way possible. These people carefree murdered a bunch of children and families just trying to survive. Every single participant of that chat should be swaying in the breeze under a highway overpass right now.
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While I agree with most of what you said, I think that the idea that this is a result of carelessness mixed with callousness is wrong. Don't forget these are the people that believe in things like eye for an eye, teaching "lessons", divine punishment, and that God provides you with what you deserve. They also know that the Houthis are a tight-knit culture. That they are going to live amongst family and other Houthis.
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Plus they were targeting one person. They spotted him entering "his girlfriend's apartment building" and blew up the entire building.
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The French Resistance bombs bridges, why support them?
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