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  • The only problem I have is with the whole "foreign backed" language. It's technically not wrong, but please, as a reminder: It was not simply manipulation from Russia and others, putting Trump into power and creating MAGA. It is a homegrown problem, fascism has been smouldering in the US for a long time, and just as another reminder, it is also glimmering in the EU as well.

    The country is "occupied" by its ruling class, and in this case, a specific clique of them benefitting themselves even against other capitalists, but overall, this is much more about class-, than it is about nation-dynamics.

    • Well said. I would even go so far as to say that facism is the bones of America.

      American colonialism served as inspiration for Hitler, and the history of America is packed solid with violent othering of various groups. To pretend that any of these problems are new or came from elsewhere is an incredibly naive and whitewashed point of view.

    • fascism has been smouldering in the US for a long time, and just as another reminder, it is also glimmering in the EU as well.

      I'm pretty sure Russia help with that. It is about class but not only.

      • Oh, yes, that's also why I mentioned it being technically true, as in, Russia is very interested in helping anything that destabilises and hurts their enemies in mutual imperialist struggle, as well as help them establish the new world order of imperialist powers acting however they want in their spheres of influence, instead of international responsibilities and laws.

        It's like: Technically the October Revolution in Tsarist Russia was also, because the German Empire really, really wanted a destabilised enemy on their Eastern Front (Thus sending Lenin with a generous packet of financial support to do some destabilising). That does not negate that at the core, it was already burning as a potential historic outcome, because of the squalor class relations had caused there - and the geopolitics were just additional fuel that got the tensions into explosion mode.

    • We (the USA) were smoldering fascists prior to WW2. Let's not kid ourselves.

      The human race is a bunch of smouldering fascists. Balkans, Rwanda, Chechnya, Iraq, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India, and Darfur. Nigeria, Mali, Sudan, and other countries in the Sahel region. Take a look at this list of ethnic cleansings.

      World history is rife with people trying to gain power so they can kill all the people who don't look like them.

      • We (the USA) were smoldering fascists prior to WW2. Let’s not kid ourselves.

        Eh, I actually disagree. The US did a social democratic turn after the Great Depression, I think it was one of the eras where the US was furthest from fascism. It ultimately still created and maintained the conditions of fascist tendencies later on and only very partially did the work analysing their own history of imperialism, but I really dislike overuse of the word fascist, because it blunts the analytical edge. The implicit neoliberal social contract was different than the implicit fascist one (which was different than the more social democratic one solidified under FDR, etc.) - and the system no longer having to wear the mask of humanity has real life consequences and creates its own dynamics.

        World history is rife with people trying to gain power so they can kill all the people who don’t look like them.

        Indeed, but I think it is a fallacy to use that as an ideological framing of inevitability (unsure if that was your aim here). Ingroup-Outgroup thinking is one of the few things, that I think is indeed fundamental to the human condition, but the way it materialises is dependent on the interaction of that tendency with material and historical conditions. Without colonialism, the specific framing of race, for example, would not have existed in the same way. And universalism as a current within modernity is not just a fluke or illusion, but a proper potential tendency within human behaviour as well, one that relies on cultural and material conditions of its own.

        Cynicism is in its own right an ideological distortion, where it leaves analysis and tries to impose its interpretation on reality.

      • The human race is a bunch of smouldering fascists.

        capitalism is smouldering fascism. the signs are mostly on the capitalist world (which tbf is most people).

        also, humans doing bad things does not necessarily equals fascism.

    • It was not simply manipulation from Russia and others, putting Trump into power and creating MAGA.

      Yes, it is that simple. Not only do we have Trump as a Russian assets, but I’d wager there are also other politicians and judges that are assets too. Not to mention all of the dark money that flooded our government (thanks to Citizens United), and the whole of social media misinformation campaigns across Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, etc.

      There is nothing homegrown about this; we’ve been under attack for a long time. Ow, and we’re only starting to notice it because of the repercussions.

      • Not to mention all of the dark money that flooded our government (thanks to Citizens United)

        Oh, yeah, sure, and that was Russia and not your own capitalists and corporations creating the financing structures of CU.

        the whole of social media misinformation campaigns across Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, etc.

        Which was indeed fueled by Russia, but also dependent on the basic problem, that journalism is structured around the profit motive, in the hands of a few oligarchs and the attention economy, and gleefully embraced by platforms like meta and twitter, because it just so happened to be also in the class interest of the owners.

        Russia is taking advantage of it and has been doing destabilising actions in Europe and the US for decades - but no, you have home-grown your culture of corporate America and we all share the culture of international capital on top of that.

        Don't act like it would be the land of the free and the brave without Russia, they did not invent Citizens United, they did not create the structures that allowed 3-digit billionaires to exist, they did not buy out Rupert Murdoch or Elon Musk (seriously, they could not afford them, even with Kompromat - after all, people are easy to pretend like Trump didn't have connections to Epstein, too. No Kompromat couldn't be pushed to the sidelines considering the media and social media is controlled by those people, not Russia directly.) The vast majority of cooperation of people like that with Russia is because of self-interest within the economic dynamics aligning with Russian interests - Russia only fanned the flames and took the opportunities that were there.

        Russia is an imperialist shithouse with oligarchic capitalism, but the US is, too, and has been for a long time. Closing the eyes to that is allowing yourself to live in ideology-driven ignorance, which is also why my answer is so hostile, because sometimes that is necessary in debating things like this.

  • Reminder Trump has arranged for "Illegal" Latino men (Venezuelan to be precise) to be sent to Slave/Rape Camps in El-Salvador

    Instead of following protocol to sent them back to Venezuela & The fucking Right-Wing (can we call them Rightists ?) Scum-fucks are jerking off to this disgusting state-sponsored slavery.

  • Doesn't sound fair to me. Musk is an oligrach, but he's also, at least, a nazi transphobe who disowned his own daughter. Donald is, at least again, a convicted felon and rapist who was best friend with the the most notorious pedophile of the past 50 years, and also tried to overthrow the government while being backed by a foreign country. Let get our facts straight.

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