Democrat leader Chuck Shumer: "Of course we say it's our land, the Torah says it. But they [Palestinians] don't believe in the Torah. So, that's the reason there is not peace."
The background is Blue.
The words are MAGA.
I wonder if there is a term for this.
Fuck religions.
Counterpoint for Judaism: The Torah explicitly states that Jews do not own the land until the Messiah returns. So technically Shumer is not correct
Religious Jews from organisations such as Naturei Karta frequently demonstrate against Israel.
Not that I support it but the Vatican is VERY DIFFERENT than Israel. It has no real power by design and is not an autonomous country by any means
It's amazing how many opinions are framed as if the world has a Mom and Dad who should be enforcing what's right.
I recently did some wiki digging into the formation of Israel and it legitimately surprised me how illegitimate the country is. They were given land (not a state) and welcomed by Palestinians, then they flipped their shit over time and took everything. They were not oppressed but radicalized over imaginary oppression and used it as a tool to oppress Palestine.
The whole world is complicit or gaslit into buying this garbage. Insane that the two state solution is seen as compromise to Palestinians when it should be considered the only compromise given to Israel.
This prompted me to do a wiki dig. TIL Israel was founded by an actual Jewish Nazi group and they even named a military ribbon after them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_%28militant_group%29?wprov=sfla1
In April 1948, Lehi and the Irgun were jointly responsible for the massacre in Deir Yassin of at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children. Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne, British Minister Resident in the Middle East, and made many other attacks on the British in Palestine. On 29 May 1948, the government of Israel, having inducted its activist members into the Israel Defense Forces, formally disbanded Lehi, though some of its members carried out one more terrorist act, the assassination of Folke Bernadotte some months later, an act condemned by Bernadotte's replacement as mediator, Ralph Bunche. After the assassination, the new Israeli government declared Lehi a terrorist organization, arresting some 200 members and convicting some of the leaders. Just before the first Israeli elections in January 1949, a general amnesty to Lehi members was granted by the government. In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration, an "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel", the Lehi ribbon. Former Lehi leader Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister of Israel in 1983.
Dug up something called Banner of the Zionist Gang so I googled it and these are the first two images.
On the left is standard Soviet propaganda, racism included, and on the right is the symbol of the actual Jewish Nazi gang being sold on fucking Amazon
When I started to learn about it i thought it was the first account I had heard of documenting precisely why a country should never allow unchecked immigration... -Not that the palestinians were given much of a choice by their british colonizers.
How about this as a compromise: all adults get to vote and the right to freedom of religion is unassailable. Why isn't that on the table?
Israel wants to be a Jewish state, so secular humanism wouldn't be a compatible policy they'd agree to.
I don't think there is a two state solution because of how intertwined the West Bank is.
I don't think there is a one state solution because of how much all the sides hate eachother.
The whole area is a festering wound on the face of our common humanity. We need to administer antibiotic and depose the leaders who spread hate in the area from within and from the outside like Schumer here. "They don't believe in the Torah", why should any book have final say?
Edit: I have no idea why you're getting downvoted. I wish what you were saying was possible. In any sane country it would be reasonable.
That's the One State solution, and it isn't on the table because it's unacceptable to Israel.
Just a reminder, no, the torah explicitly says jews have no nation because they offended god. Until god himself comes down and reverses that decision, jews adhering to their religion cannot be members of government for a state owned and controlled by jewish people.
Zionism is antisemitic, and the opposite of the jewish religion.
Indeed, knowing the full context makes it even more ridiculous.
Religious Jews fought back against Zionism during its inception.
Zionism has big “go back to where you came from” energy.
Yeah that's why anti-Semitic Zionists are a thing
It's insane how many people have died because of arguments over who has the best Invisible Friend.
What's even worse is they all have the same invisible friend, it's just their rules that are different. God, Allah, Jehovah, Jah, YHWH, whatever you wanna call him, all the same guy. But somehow all the rules about what you're allowed to do and how you need to worship, those are all in different books written by different people at different periods in history.
I guess monotheistic religions just have in common that everyone believes in their own truth, and instead of accepting the differences, feel the need to go to war over it.
Maybe all those religions need to be banned, and only allow heno- or polytheistic ones. Especially the polytheistic religions seem much more exciting. But of course it is much more difficult to control the common folk with those.
Look at what he stands for.
Look at what he caves on.
Genocide is centrism's only actual policy.
Even if you take what he says at face value, his conclusion still doesn't even follow logically.
And if I say your book is blasphemy? Jesus, no pun intended, these religious weirdos just can't take the hint that maybe their religious texts are total BS. They truly don't believe in religious freedom.
The worst part, there’s no speaking sense to them. Their views are unimpugnable, as god himself wrought them. No earthly authority can alter their course
It gets pretty damn interesting if you start digging into ancient religions and how they developed. There's much more to how this situation came to be than most people understand, which is largely why no real progress is made in opposition to claims such as theirs.
Fascists are always assholes first. The fascism only serves to rationalize the behaviour.
Same logic evangelical Christians use to oppress LGBTQ folks here at home, Chuck. But you knew that, which is why you don't care about that either, beyond your performative outrage to get votes.
These crusty old dirt worshipers need to go. Every last one of them.
so... third party this time?!?!
I wish I could say yes, and maybe between shit like this and Elon threatening Social Security there will be enough angry people to make a third party viable, but I'm not holding my breath on that. This country has been in love with binary choice since the beginning. Everything is black or white, good or evil, win or lose, right or wrong, us or them... You introduce any kind of nuance and people lose their fucking minds.
Nah. Just guns at this point.
Start building one. Use the annuals and the biannual elections as proofs of concept. Right now I'm more open to voting 3rd party than ever before but I'm not wasting my vote
So if I find an older book that says Israel belongs to me and only me they have to leave and I can turn the Wailing Wall into a sick half pipe?
Well I found an older book that says their copper ingots are of insufficient quality.
Always remember, the Palestinians have been there longer than the Hebrews.
Wailing Wallie, amiright?
If this chucklefuck showed up to your door and said that your home is now part of the Jewish state because the Torah said so, I think we know how most people would respond.
Yeah Hamas is kind of irrelevant here. Palestinians were living on that land and then some folk showed up and said "sorry our book says we're supposed to be here, please leave"
Its the equivalent of someone trying to claim your seat at the theatre halfway into the movie and the proof they show you is something they've scribbled on a napkin. It would not fly for most people.
I understand it's essentially settler-colonialism in practice, which is foundational to modern western civilization. But that doesn't make it right.
One time I punched a guy in the face, and then he called me an asshole. If he didn't want to get punched in the face, he shouldn't have called me an asshole.
Ben Netanyahu, basically
No, the basis for hamas was the founders family being killed in front of him by fascists.
Hamas only exist, and solely exists, as resistance to occupation. A group will always exist like hamas, using the same tactics and beliefs. Hamas, unlike israel by the way, doesn't discriminate based on religion.
No they don't
Schumer is really letting the mask slip lately. Time for him to go.
There's a mid term for this
So if I write a book that says Chuck Schumer has to be my bitch, he has to do it?
It’s in a book after all
You also have to tell him that GOD actually wrote it.
Let's start with vote 1
Wow, fuck this guy. I wish I was in a district that could vote against this asshole.
Supporting god damn genocide bcz a fucking book says it's theirs.
Yeah, but the book also says the book is true, so you can't argue with that. It's just logic.
Well, can't argue with that. I guess I support Israel now, the books says I should.
Is Schumer's district mostly Jews? That fucker needs to go. I hope there are sane people in his district with an open mind.
Jews are very divided on Israel in general and heartbreakingly on whether or not it's cool to genocide. Chuck is in the genocide is cool as long as it's not against Jewish people camp, many of us stand firm on our no genocide no matter what. He's also a senator so represents all living in NY state, so short answer is no.
It's the whole state... Unfortunately no one ever seriously primaries him
"That thing we wrote says the land is ours, so of course it is. Why don't these filthy savages believe in that thing we wrote?"
The term is "fucking traitor that needs to be censured and primaries". Get this MAGAt wannabe out of office, but first get him out of any democratic positions/appointments.
Wow, I knew things were bad but I didn’t realize it was this bad.
Ah yes another but the bronze age man said so moment
This is from the 2018 AIPAC conference. There's some critical commentary on this page:
https://rethinkingforeignpolicy.org/2025/03/22/unpacking-an-old-chuck-schumer-aipac-speech/
Oh look, another day, another reason to blow this asshole out the goddamn airlock. I cannot wait to see someone primary this jerk.
But my book says it's our land. So we should put our book and their book in a ring to fight it out. The winner takes the land. This is the only logical solution to this problem.
Oh, so they're pulling that. Well, they lost that privilege when God withdrew his support 2,600 years ago, roughly.
Sounds like someone much more interested in other countries instead of the country he is supposed to work for.
But the Torah is fake? The people are real?
Fun fact: The Torah is part of the Moslem faith, being a revelation given to Moses.
Fuck him. He's factually wrong first of all, but even if he wasn't religious ethnonationalism is always wrong
Treason?
Facts speak for themselves:
link to pics:
Sorry I'm told I'm not allowed to criticize Democrats so call me John Banner.
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I just wrote a book that says that Chuck Schumer's house is on my ancestral homeland, because my deity says so. That makes it Chuck's fault when I drop bombs on it.
Does it have to be written in a book to qualify? I'm pretty sure there are several Native American tribes that might have something to say about this.
I'm sure it has to be written in a book for Chuck Schumer to think it qualifies.
I'll happily bind up some pages into a book for you.