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  • Ok so everyone wants one, right? Feels like it'll be dramatic and big and change and fix everything, even if it gets violent.

    But there's problems with that, not only in execution but also results.

    One problem is the US is massive. It would take almost as much planning as a moon landing to effectively organize a protest that large, even if you only do the continental 48 states. Some of those states alone are as large as some European countries, some are larger, so the size alone gets in the way of things.

    Then you have the problem with getting all the people protesting to agree to a cohesive protest. Where to protest, what to protest specifically about, and to have a solid list of demands. Trying to get that amount of people to agree on anything alone would be huge. Like my mother says, it's like herding cats.

    And then there's the matter of getting that info out there. Occupy wall Street and BLM did have a comprehensive list of demands but the media pretended they didn't. Almost all media is owned by like, six corporations, so even getting the instructions for that protest would be incredibly hard. And lest people forget, those media companies are final, so most of the media in other countries hearing about this will have just as much information surpression and do already. So it would be incredibly hard to get a comprehensive plan, demands, and instructions out el to everyone.

    Also don't forget that we have the technological spying that didn't exist before. Cameras are everywhere. Not only in your phone, but on almost every street. People even put those Ring doorbells on their homes and that company sells it's video footage to the police, and doesn't turn off, so any protest could be monitored and nipped in the bud. We have whole agencies devoted to surpressing protests and entire handbooks in infiltrating them.

    Then there's logistics and provisions. Most Americans can't afford to travel, much less take a week or two off of work, or a month, to protest long term. We can barely afford to keep ourselves fed with what we're getting paid, and if we were protesting in one specific location, most of us couldn't take the time to get there much less afford to. We have to feed the majority of almost an entire continent in one location for an extended period of time.

    And if it was one specific location, the hospitals, hotels, grocery stores and restaurants would be so overwhelmed that they couldn't handle everyone.

    Speaking of hospitals, if, as in when, the police and military attacked the protest, most people could never afford the medical treatment to be able to get patched up, much less their lives saved.

    And speaking of the police and military, we have the most militarized police force on the planet. Our police don't have just batons, they have live rounds of ammunition and full on tanks. And they are more than willing to use them on civilians, especially in protesters. Look up Blair Mountain and the Kent State shooting. Not only could this crush a protest, but people would have to be ok with the idea they would very likely die.

    And our prison system, being for profit, would salivate at the idea of getting more slave labor en masse, and the current administration is more than happy to detain people over trivial things. So everyone would have to be ok with life imprisonment if they didn't get shot.

    On top of that, not everyone is on board. About a third to a half of the country is in favor of what's happening and have a cult around Trump and Musk. A lot of people voted for this and are in favor of it, because they really, really hate the liberals, Democrats, gays, minorities, etc. There's a whole media pipeline for this that they listen to, especially young people who normally are the type to protest this stuff. So there would be resistance from civilians on top of not everyone being in favor of the protest.

    Then there's the problem of what that protest would actually accomplish. Even if you pulled it off, because of the supply issues, it would be short lived. Maybe a week or two, being surpressed by the military and police, and demonized in the media. The oligarchs would simply wait it out. It wouldn't enact long term change, even if everyone could agree with what they want changed in the first place. So it might not be effective even if it was pulled off.

    And the primary opposition party, which should be doing anything, has adapted a strategy of self preservation. Concede to the fascists for now, bide your time, then come election season tell everyone that you are the better and only choice (because winner takes all so they are the only alternative) and hope for a blue wave in four years. Can't make any changes if you're not in power, so do what you can to keep it now and believe that if things get bad enough now people will come crawling back. So very little actual support for a protest would come from on top.

    And then, if we look at history, a lot of rebellions needed other countries to support them in order to be successful. Most of them had outside influence from other major powers. The other major powers right now are either in favor of the government, turning fascist themselves, or if they did intervene would risk starting a war with the US which has the biggest military in the history of humanity. So not a lot of help would come from the outside, if any.

    So while we also would like a massive protest, there are huge issues in the way of effectively pulling it off.

    So what's been happening has been local efforts. You might not hear about town hall protests or stuff in individual state capitals in other countries, but those smaller fires are burning. There's been economic protests, like the backlash against Tesla and the no buying day, which apparently was started to get people to dip their toes into a national protest. There's been a lot of smaller community organizing, which hopefully adds up. I think and hope there will be more individual direct action, perhaps more Luigi strategies on specific individuals, as things get worse. Maybe more guerilla tactics, French resistance style efforts, are what is going to happen rather than a massive protest.

    Tldr: We ARE doing stuff here. We hate this more than anyone. The change will have to come in less exciting ways than a big, national rebellion, so sorry you're not getting as much of a spectacle, we'd like that, too, but there's a lot of prep work that would need to be done to pull it off that needs to happen first. We aren't sitting by and letting this happen, and we are working towards fixing things.

  • I dunno about you bro but there's a protest every other day in Denver. We're getting there.

    The question is how Dumbfuck will respond. There's an unverified rumor the Insurrection Act may be invoked on April 20th owing to an executive order signed on January 20th. If it gets to that point, we will find out how far our military is willing to stretch its service to the Constitution.

    Don't be afraid. Don't look away.

  • where are you? are you in the US, outside the US, rural, urban? I'm in a relatively small urb and even i see protests, and have attended them. if you're not seeing them reported, you need to change your information sources. if you're not seeing them in person, well, that's a question of whether you're in a dense enough area for protests to make sense

  • Waiting for the big one. Everyone knows it's coming. Just cant go off prematurely.

    • This is from someone that lived through WWII in Germany.

      "Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk alone; you don’t want to “go out of your way to make trouble.” Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

      Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, “everyone” is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, “It’s not so bad” or “You’re seeing things” or “You’re an alarmist.”

      And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

      But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

      But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds of thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions, would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the “German Firm” stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all of the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

      And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying “Jewish swine,” collapses it all at once, and you see that everything has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

      Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early morning meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair."

  • I am convinced people have to die for it to be big enough in the US. I'm not trying to be difficult or obtuse. I think with the state of things, it's the only thing that is going to unify us enough to take to the streets and revolt together.

    • People already are / have been dying. Abortion care deaths / trans and general population - suicide rate upticks / ICE detention center deaths (52 people last Trump term) with people being grabbed on valid visas now / 1 death already of a Ukrainian last month in a detention center - custody (44 year old) Maksym Chernyak was a stroke / seizure but when you understand the conditions 24/7 light - terrible food and sleep conditions makes sense.

      Medicaid cuts that made it through will lead to deaths. Due to gaps in care.

      Abortion stances will only get worse from here in states and at the federal level for access to medical care on still borns, and general birthing process will be worse.

      NOAA cuts will lead to deaths due to alert notification systems of major storms and tornados. (March has already been particularly deadly)

      ICE interactions and warrant laws being modified for them will lead to more deaths if they ever get reported.

      Food bank funding and other supports have been cut so we will likely see an increase in malnourishment diseases and deaths

      VA benefits and mental health support services are actively being cut. So expect more suicide and homelessness from our veterans.

      Social security cuts will kill seniors - access to care / meals / warmth - home health aids. These will be seen as increases in fall related, medication mistakes, transfer issues, hospital stay illness upticks, complex wound healing (wounds in the elderly require nutrition to heal if poor they won’t heal and tunnel so sepsis deaths) and other related deaths.

      All of these things won’t be clear TRUMP DID IT. But as those statlines tick up. And the average life expectancy and health outcomes of our citizens get worse by the year. It will be because of these cuts. People don’t realize that the death toll is already counting - it’s just that there’s no clear cut bucket to put them in.

      • As much as I respect your knowledge and analysis it isn't simple enough. I should have said people need to be dying from the same thing. Where the root cause is the same, it can be dismissed. I thought COVID had a chance because it was nasty and killed a lot. But nope. Didn't keep Trump out.

  • My wife and I got babysitters went to the science protests. There's often protestors waiving Palestinian flag downtown during the week - small but consistent group near city hall. I don't hear any reporting either but I see them.

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