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Do you think the US will actually log its national parks?

I'm looking across at the olympic peninsula right now from victoria right now and it really just settled in for me that losing that might actually be possible.

I would literally be willing to die trying to save the hoh rainforest.

Am I overreacting here?

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  • Do I think this administration is stupid enough to do something like that? Yes

    Do I think this administration would do something even stupider, more corrupt, or evil than your question? Also yes

  • As an American I confirm that, as a whole, we're pretty goddamn stupid.

    So yeah, I could totally see this happening.

  • I live in the Allegheny National Forest area, of Pennsylvania and it's regularly logged. I could even buy a permit to cut my fire wood from the forest if I wanted to. But it's all done in a relatively responsible way. There is no clear cutting, and I could only take a certain amount of trees for personal firewood use. They log for forest management, the same way they have controlled burns.

    If you have a local forestry service, or some sort of similar organization, go talk with them. Ask them what the current policies, practices and plans are. Ask them if they anticipate any changes based on the new Republican Administration and plan any actions based on that information.

    I'm nervous about new gas wells around here, but Pennsylvania has a process where you have to request a permit and it's only good for one year, and they post the latitude and longitude of all the permit requests they get. So at least I have access to that information.

    I suppose I am referencing a national forest and you are referencing a nation park. There are differences there for sure, so this might not be as applicable as I thought.

  • It’s worse. I seem to remember that the US has lithium deposits in a national park somewhere.

  • I think there's going to be incredible pushback, and I hope it's far more than some angry tweets. So far Trump seems to make big moves like this only to reverse or walk back what he said later.

    So he could easily just make the suggestion but not take actual action for some time. Or use it as leverage to make other deals (change emmisions rules or the national parks get logged)

    He would be wise not to mess with Teddy's parks

    • I see this sort of response from Americans over and over, and it makes me crazy.

      "there’s going to be incredible pushback."

      Great! Fantastic! WHEN??!?!

      • He was bankrolled FORTY YEARS AGO by the Kremlin.
      • He orchestrated an attempted military coup four years ago.
      • He was convicted of 34 felonies and ordered to pay a third of a billion in a civil trial.
      • He has been found guilty repeatedly of sexual assault.
      • He has seized illegal authority over all aspects of the government.
      • He put his neo-nazi puppetmaster in charge (unsupervised) of destroying whole (non-partisan) divisions of the government
      • He cut life-saving international aid.
      • He threw Ukraine to the wolves, and backed Vladimir Putin's invasion.
      • He destroyed almost a century of goodwill between the USA and the rest of the world.
      • He continually threatens (seriously) to invade Canada, Panama, and Greenland.
      • He has unilaterally renamed an international body of water.
      • He is currently destroying education, research and healthcare in the USA.
      • He is deporting thousands of US residents - many of them legal - in violation of the Geneva Convention.
      • He is erasing attacking the right to exist for LGBTQ2+ citizens, and actively encouraging violence towards them.

      In short, he has proven over and over and OVER AGAIN that he is the single biggest enemy of the USA, and the single biggest threat to their continued existence. He is copying Hitler's playbook from 1933-36 almost to the letter.

      And STILL I hear, "oh just you wait - things are gonna happen if he doesn't stop soon!"

      What does it take to get you to realize that the USA is being destroyed by a traitor working for Putin? What will it take for your country to FUCKING ACT RIGHT NOW instead of saying "oh, just wait" again?

      Why are Trump and Musk and their entire entourage not in chains, awaiting the death penalty on the far end of high treason charges?

      What the fuck are you still waiting for?

      • All hat and no cattle. Empty threats and empty promises.

        America has always been susceptible to bullshit artists and snake oil salesmen. Of course it had to end like this.

    • Thing is, you can’t take back clearcutting an ecological preserve.

      Trump and Musk like to talk big and move as fast as possible. The trick will be to ensure that the resource extraction companies can’t take irreversible action as soon as Trump says something stupid, but still have months of paperwork to wade through so there’s time for Trump to be able to change what he originally meant by what he said/signed.

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