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Devils Panties 02/28/2025

Just some additional advertising for todays boycott.

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why not boycott all major corporations every day? it does require a bit of work, but the more money you spend locally, the better your local communities will be
- That's just not how our economy works. "Local" business is not making toilet paper from trees they cut down in their backyard.
  I'm probably getting downvoted for this but I hate hate hate this "consumption is power" bull shit boycotts. Consumption is NOT power. LABOR is power. If you work at these large companies you have a million times more power and influence by organizing.
  Boycott today if it makes you feel good. But it's so incredibly missing of the point that I have to assume it is purposely missing the point of collective power.
  Your power is in your ability to withhold labor. Not withholding consumption for one day that you'll just buy the next day. Hell, if these planned organized single day boycotts, if they actually had an impact, would be a way to maximize profits to reduce labor requirements for those days. It's so silly.
  Organize your workplace. That is where your power is!
  
  Generalstrikeus.com
  
  We need maps of what helps, and how much.
  No more saying stuff doesn't work and misses the point. Only pointing to where it is on the map. Better for organizing.
  
  Sorry. If you're actually asking but I thought I was pretty clear. Labor organizing is where power is. This starts at YOUR workplace. There are plenty of resources and "maps" to get you started but that is often very unique to your location and place of work. There is not a single meme image that I can post. This takes work. The start of that work is looking for labor organizing movements in your area and place of work. If there are no existing unions or labor movements you can contact the AFL-CIO or other organizations in your field. They can help you learn more about your resources.
  https://aflcio.org/formaunion
  This takes work. If I could post a meme image like the OP I would. But it doesn't work that way. You need to be ready to do work. Talking to your coworkers, agitating, etc.
  Chris Smalls is your inspiration but we need 1000 more Chris Smalls throughout the country. Not one day of a consumer boycott.
  This is not about being a downer towards any movement. It's about understanding that class war is always filled with distractions like these single day consumer boycotts that do absolutely nothing. People that are downers about them are trying to direct people towards what should actually be done. It's not one massive movement out of the blue. It takes a lot of local and small work to even get to having any leverage at that scale.
  Once we actually have a massive labor organizing movement in this country THEN the leaders of major unions can call for and organize something like a general strike. But that doesn't happen on its own because someone posted a "general strike" meme on reddit. It's takes a lot of work, organizing, and very specific demands, and strike funds.
  But this all starts with you and the organization of labor in your workplace.
  We are fighting capital. It doesn't just end up with a bunch of peaceful protests and the capitalist class rolling over and saying "ok you can all have healthcare". They have all the power of the police, state violence, and media agitating. It's why you need massive organization, solidarity, and funding for your cause. And most of all very specific and united demands. Otherwise these movements quickly die when people can't pay their rent or buy food.
  
  I've never been in the US but I had the idea that a big slice of the working class in the US fits more the definition of slavery rather than workers. These slaves need to work to provide food and a home for themselves and their family and they can't mess with their workplace. Wouldn't it be easier to make voters aware when they vote against their own interests, starting with Trump supporters?
  
  Oh trying to get class consciousness with maga has been going on for awhile and it is/has not been easier and its still ongoing. It actually goes way beyond a slice of the working class to. You have to be pretty high up to not be screwed if you get a medical condition that does not allow you to work and that was before this administration. There are for some reason a lot of folks in this country that firmly believes other people doing worse will make their situation better somehow. Its crazypants.
  
  Okay, what helps? Standing outside Starbucks, Walmart, amazon warehouses, anywhere non-union, and spend your time trying to convince their workers to join a union. There's a reason that, when the Nazis took over, "First they came for the Trade Unionists". Don't say nothing. Let's Make More Trade Unionists
  
  We need maps of what helps, and how much.
  political ground campaigning, probably.
  
  Would it be wrong to view this as economic accelerationism? Even if businesses can adjust to consumption cycles, not all consumption needs on one day translate to the next.
  Skipping lunch at the diner might mean you increase demand for pb&j sandwiches, but you're putting the waitress and cook out of a job. Maybe that's just freeing up their labor to be put to more... productive endeavors.
  Honest question, what's your stance on hunger strikes or other protests outside the workplace? I'm of the opinion that, in 2025, any disruption is good disruption.
  
  I'm not going to tell people how to organize. But a single day boycott with no demands or goals is not organizing. It's almost alienating in a way. Now, if you got together with friends and did something else like made sandwiches and went to a park. Awesome! You did something and probably all talked about issues together today. That's positive.
  But if you sat at home and said nothing to anyone and hoped for some news story about a massive drop in sale and economic instability. Well, that didn't happen. And so people can have different reactions to that. My problem is that I think the net reaction is negative. It makes people feel like collective actions are useless. And they are when it comes to single day consumption.
  But collective actions and organization are the fundamental power of working class movements. But the working class has its power in labor.
  Now, economic boycotts can have power, but not in the way this is being done. Take South Africa BDS movements for example. These put real economic pressures on companies associated with South African apartheid. But these movements had clear demands and no time limit on the boycotts.
  Single day boycotts are essentially useless in my eyes. I don't think they can ever reach the scale to do so. At least they never have historically.
  Hunger strikes are only as useful as the attention that they can bring. I'll use Gaza as an example. The people of Gaza on March 2018 protested they Apartheid state of Israel in a peaceful march towards the walls around Gaza. Hundreds of men women and children were slaughtered by Israeli snipers. And nothing changed. Acts of peaceful protest like hunger strikes or civil disobedience are only effective if they put public pressure on a population that is inactive. The Gazan people have no one that cared of the injustice being placed upon them.
  When these types of peaceful protest are met with violence and silence from the media the only actions that oppressed people have left are in violent revolution.
  Labor organizing is the only real alternative to violent revolution that has been proven effective historically. But those movements are often met with violence from the state.
  I don't know if that answered your question. But I think I hit some of it.
  
  Very well answered, thanks.
  I think there's generally poor discourse around protests. I appreciate the long form opinions that you and others have put together, but a lot of commentary is very reductive.
  I get the "net negative" sentiment, but the only thing worse than feeling like you didn't make an impact is feeling that while being berated as naive. For something as low stakes as a one day boycott, not much is lost if you use it as a case study to teach from. Here's why it didn't work and what we can do better. The important part of the discussion should be on building goals and organizing, and detaching those from the endorphins of political action.
  I'm of the opinion that the only truly performative and useless protests are digital. If you went somewhere or did something (or changed plans to avoid either) you're infinitely closer to making a change than putting a hashtag into the digital void.
  The truth is we're in uncharted territory. What does or doesn't work may be unintuitive. Protests haven't really happened:
  in the 21st century western world
  & against the massively expanded tools of surveillance
  & the highest wealth disparity in history
  & most communication channels and social spaces replaced by digital corporate platforms
  & the rapid fascist takeover of a government looking for their Reichstag Fire
  The George Floyd protests in 2020 were the closest thing we've seen but today is different beast.
  As an example, I get the feeling that organizing at your workplace won't work for long. The administration would smash your legal right to unionize without hesitation. Similarly, signing up with the DSA might have been effective political action 4 years ago but put you on the no-fly list today. Maybe clandestine but highly visible protests (vandalism, sabotage, etc...) will have more impact than marching on Washington DC out of the gate? Time will tell...
  
  An example of spending as power being a fallacy is high-quality products that everyone who buys them loves them. Then, to boost profits the company uses a lesser quality metal (like pocket knives, guns, etc.). It is short-sighted, but it may increase profits. If buying exerted power, companies wouldn't trade out materials that people liked.
  
  The engine of the modern economy is mass consumption just as much as labor, especially since a lot of labor is done overseas these days. Everyone not buying stuff from Amazon is just as much an existential threat to it as the entire work force striking. Either way you deny them there profits and force them to pay there fixed capital costs with no revenue.
  You could argue it's less feasible to organize the mass of consumers then it is to organize a workplace, but the power is still there either way.
  
  Bottom 60% of earners in the US represent less than 25% of total consumption. The power is in labor and labor only, there's a reason why we have plenty of historical examples of successful labor movements, not so much of consumer movements.
- Im guessing many folks or at least more than the usual percent on the fediverse do this to some degree. I have seen other comments about it and have done them myself. Its really not to much work to me but its a continuing thing. Regularly thinking about what else you can cut out or if you think you can finally cut out a particular thing. So im not where I would want to be and im past low hanging fruit and it will be slow going forward of where I am not but I will continue.
- Not always possible. In rural areas, Walmart in particular is a mom and pop shop killer. Restaurants maybe, groceries and the like, this is not that universally possible.

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