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It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds - Bert Hubert's writings

berthub.eu It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds - Bert Hubert's writings

The very short version: it is madness to continue transferring the running of European societies and governments to American clouds. Not only is it a terrible idea given the kind of things the “King of America” keeps saying, the legal sophistry used to justify such transfers, like the nonsense lette...

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It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds - Bert Hubert's writings

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It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds - Bert Hubert's writings

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It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds

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Why would anyone think storing any amount of a nations data or services in a foreign country was safe. No if you want that data/service to be safe and private, then no, that would never ever be a safe option.
- I can’t even begin to fathom why any country would do this OR rely on US military tech.
  
  i've been saying that about microsoft windows for about two decades and yet here we still are.
  
  OR rely on US military tech.
  These are the leopards people invited in while they still had confidence USA was bumbling but not subvertible . Oh how the leopard turns.
- storing any amount of a nations data or services in a foreign country was safe. No
  One of my jobs brushes up against gov stuff. Private-possum, not secret-squirrel info. They're completely explaining it away like "yeah, we see how it feels ooky, but we had someone say it's all good, so we're putting all your PII into Azure" and that's almost the statement. It's like painting a stick of dynamite green and giving it to kids to play with.
  We need to ask the data sovereignty question a LOT when suits are in front of microphones.

hey.
Psst.
That antivirus software you and your gov installed on every machine out there, that scans every file when it's closed, to "ensure it's not carrying a virus." That one.
Who makes it? In America, you say?
No, not Defender; but let's talk about that too. Who makes the OS and crucial apps your local council uses? Muni, Region, Federal -- all Microsoft, Splunk, Solarwinds (even after they were super-pwned), Checkpoint, Office, Azure. All American? Really?
If we put TP-Link and RedFlag Linux and Kaspersky and Huawei on do-not-buy lists for privacy and espionage concerns, tell me how we're reacting to the risky new path of the US government and its Krasnov operative.
- Yeah. I don't think a lot of tech companies really thought through the impacts of Trump burning up America's international reputation.
  It's hard to have an international presence when the international community hates your product and you no longer have leverage to negotiate.

I agree that recent events have made it unsafe to host anything on a US company's cloud server.
But I disagree that recent events are the biggest reason not to host anything on Google, AWS, or Microsoft servers. You should have gotten away from them long ago.
- You should have gotten away from them long ago.
  While I agree, open source technology hadn't yet fully matured when the NSA leaks first dropped. Something like Owncloud had only recently launched back then.

It never was. Really. Never.
- Putting the "government" on the cloud might be the single dumbest idea I have ever heard. Who thought that was a good idea?

https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted for personal use
Hetzner and Akamai for production
- Do we hate OVH yet/still/again ?

The time to develop sovereign digital infrastructure was like a decade ago. Better late than never I guess. Good news is that the only way Europe can do this is by leveraging open source, so maybe we'll see more support for that going forward.
- massive step in the right direction. it was dumb all along to trust so much to the most murderous empire in existence.
  
  indeed

Thank goodness I just started moving my stuff to Nextcloud.

it never was..

As always, Bert is right. This has to stop.

Astronaut with gun.

Inertia, cheapness and laziness. Europe needs to develop its own IT infrastructure.
- Not even that cheap. It's lock in, right? Cloud starts off cheap, gets expensive.
  
  Cheap on the initial outlay for IT staff and systems. Pay for cloud instead and get locked in like you said.

Say someone uses a Droplet on Digital Ocean. What's the best EU alternative?
- Probably Hetzner. I'd still try for OVH as it's separate from CLOUD-act risk (by running its ovh.us as a distinct org, so avoid them but use the rest in relative safety) and it may be cheaper/better given your particular needs and tolerance.

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