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Trump says Ukraine 'should have never started it' in comments about war with Russia

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/39365919

President Donald Trump suggested Tuesday that Ukraine was responsible for Russia's invasion of the country three years ago, arguing Kyiv could have made a deal to avoid the conflict.

“You should have never started it,” Trump said of Ukraine while criticizing President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who had expressed concern that his country was not included in talks between the U.S. and Russia in Saudi Arabia.

"I think I have the power to end this war, and I think it's going very well. But today I heard, 'Oh, well, we weren't invited.' Well, you've been there for three years," Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort. "You should have never started it. You could have made a deal."

Trump went on to say: "I could have made a deal for Ukraine that would have given them almost all of the land, everything, almost all of the land, and no people would have been killed, and no city would have been demolished, and not one dome would have been knocked down. But they chose not to do it that way."

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  • What the actual fuck? It were the Russians who invaded into Crimea and Donezk! Trump is a liar. What an incompetent asshole was given the power to rule USA. What a shame, US citizens, what a shame. You elected a dork.

  • “I think I have the power to end this war, and I think it’s going very well. But today I heard, ‘Oh, well, we weren’t invited.’ Well, you’ve been there for three years,” Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort. “You should have never started it. You could have made a deal.”

    They weren't just there for three years, they were always there, it's their country.

    Trump went on to say: “I could have made a deal for Ukraine that would have given them almost all of the land, everything, almost all of the land, and no people would have been killed, and no city would have been demolished, and not one dome would have been knocked down. But they chose not to do it that way.”

    So, is he saying he could have prevented the invasion if Ukraine hadn't somehow caused him to lose the election in 2020? Or is he saying that he could have prevented the invasion as a private citizen and Ukraine turned down his help? Either way, I seem to recall him refusing to say how he would end the war in a day specifically because he wasn't just going to give that away for free, since it was supposedly a selling point for him being president again.

    Also, keeping "almost all of the land" means he would have offered free territory to Russia in response to the mere threat of invasion. As if we needed more proof that he was an incredibly stupid bastard with zero negotiating skills and absolutely no understanding of war, strategy, geopolitics, history, etc.

    Donny, you're not just full of shit, you're made of shit. The only positive contribution you will ever make to this world is as fertilizer.

    • Tbf most folks these days have so many nasty chemicals in them from medication and "food™" that I would be very hesitant say anyone would make good fertilizer. Hell one of the factors that contributed to coastal sharks in certain parts having detectable levels of cocaine was contamination from human waste (article about cocaine sharks).

  • What a terrible liar! Ukraine didn't started the war, they just defended themselves. All Europeans know that.

  • They shouldn't have given up their nuclear weapons with promises the west would help if Russia attacked, then should they. Just asking for it after all Russia has adhered to all the following

    • Respect the signatory's independence and sovereignty in the existing borders (in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act).
    • Refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of the signatories to the memorandum, and undertake that none of their weapons will ever be used against these countries, except in cases of self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
    • Refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine, the Republic of Belarus and Kazakhstan of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used".
    • Not to use nuclear weapons against any non–nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.

    ....OH

    Actually really frustrating the Budipest Memoradium isn't weaponised more in support for Ukraine, Western countries present shouldn't be shirking our responsibilities as if we didn't have a hand in weakening their defences.

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