Your big brain conservtive/capitalist takes will be laughed at

Lemmy isn't "too extreme," a very small subset of Lemmings are just fucking insufferable.
- …have these people met certain redditors? 🧐
  
  News: People on the internet find out some people on the internet grinds their gears
  
  I think it's just a symptom of "people".
  
  I mean, tankies are kinda worse.
  Edit: seems this post is controversial! Let me clarify.
  Tankies are definitely worse. 🥂
- There is a lot of political and other "adult" discourse. Not extreme, but more exhausting for a person wanting memes, gifs, and lols. I imagine the median age here is higher than that of Reddit. Can't confirm, but it certainly conducts itself with less..."juvenility"...or some word.
  
  I find the political discourse, at least on some topics, very juvenile on Lemmy. You know, screeching about how billionaires aren't people but parasites and need to die, hundreds of upvotes. That's some edgy, frustrated teenager bullshit. Or at least it should be, guess some people never got the memo about inalienable rights, equal treatment, vigilantism and how two wrongs don't make a right.
  Seriously, this thirst for blood is disturbing and if it isn't just venting then, well, look how the French Revolution turned on people. That wasn't very poggers.
  There's also this idea that everybody who isn't 100% on board needs to be defooed and marked, preferably as a fascist. Which plays into the hands of the actual fascists because the non-fascists hate each other too much to collectively tell them to fuck off, despite their differences.
  There, that's my venting done for today.
- Some Lemmings are extremely right. That is the norm on any other social media too. Luckily they were often contained on a specific instance. What I noticed tho is that at least in my german bubble the view is very, very left. That's noticeable especially as the consensus of eg. !ich_iel@feddit.de seems to be extremely pro towards protestors of the last generation, which are often criticised in my real life bubble for their actions as they're seen as too extreme. Could be that my RL bubble is just much more right than I perceive it to be, even after blending out some individuals.
  The ich_iel community existed as sub on fuggid too, it was never as left tho. I guess there are much less older and therefore theoretically less tech savvy as well as statistically conservative folks people on Lemmy in general. Conservatives would probably care about new, better platforms anyway.
  
  I feel the same about feddit.de in general. Everytime I stumble across a political topic I am shocked by the consensus on very left opinions there.
  I also noticed that there are lots of links to leftist news sites like TAZ.
- Based
- I actually hope more middle ground right leaning people migrate.
  
  …libs?
  
  We call this the “Centrist pull” to get people to the right.
  It’s like the carnival of flaming demon knife throwers insisting that throwing flaming chainsaws at your family every day is “extremism”, and just throwing knives at them is normal.
  
  lol fat chance, keep dreaming idiot

I'm gonna say some stuff that most of the people here probably know on some level, but considering this thread, I think it needs to be explicitly said.
Very few of the people who post comments on the internet are highly educated in whatever field they're making a claim in. Getting challenged by people who know next to nothing and receive all the upvotes anyway is an exhausting experience, so many well-educated people keep their debates private. If they are here, you probably aren't enough of an expert to recognize them. The simple, easy to understand takes are what get upvoted, and in-depth, nuanced ideas are almost always ignored or ridiculed. Most forums are full of people who know just enough to feel confident in making calls for radical action without any knowledge of how that action could be implemented or would play out.
Look through this comment section. Lots of vague, single-sentence arguments about being "capitalist," "communist," or "socialist," along with "leftist," "liberal," or "conservative," but I don't see a single one acknowledging that each of those words can individually encompass vast groups of conflicting ideas and have wildly different meanings in different parts of the world; a serious problem considering at least a few of the people posting in this thread aren't in the US. Very little discussion of substantive ideas like "people should be given a universal basic income of $15 a day," or "food stamps should be granted without application to anyone under a certain income threshold," or "social media servers should receive public funding and be administrated by an elected body." It's almost never more specific than "universal healthcare," or "abolish the police," Those might be the right direction, but when was the last time you saw people discussing things like whether experimental treatments should be covered, or the number and type of professions that should replace the current myriad of roles police are expected to fill? I seriously doubt if you randomly selected two self-described communists (or whatever ideology) on Lemmy and had them start making decisions together, that they would agree with each other on exactly how society should be run even half the time.
I'm not saying these conversations shouldn't happen, vague as they are. I certainly don't have the energy to write out long arguments 99% of the time. We all have to make our own way to finding deeper knowledge, and building a knowledge base of buzzwords can be a useful stepping stone. But far too often people stop once they feel they have a sufficient understanding of the buzzwords and then start talking like they know the answers. it's important to temper the depth of your convictions based on where you're having the discussion, where you're getting your knowledge. Are you watching youtube videos and reading unsourced comments, or are you reading research papers from institutions with a history of making accurate claims? Are you reading news articles from ad-supported papers, and if you are, are you checking whether those articles are making sources available for readers check on? Should I have bothered writing several paragraphs under a meme of a glowing red bird, and am I really qualified to tell people to be more careful with their discussions?
- I appreciated your wall of text! Lemmy, and social media in general, are pretty terrible places for nuanced discussion. The system is biased towards short and vauge posts. As you said though, they can be a good stepping stone.
  There's been more than one time that I've seen people arguing in a thread and decided I'd look up the topic to see who is right. In the end it doesn't really matter what people in the thread were saying. It got me interested in the topic and I searched out more reputable sources of information and hopefully I learned a bit!
  That being said, there are also threads where people post insane takes. You really need to have a litmus test for whether or not a post should even been considered.
  
  Lemmy's been a lot better than reddit for this in my experience. On reddit you couldn't even get a sentence out.
- I really enjoyed reading this. Do you have a blog or something? Have a good one.
  
  yes you can find it at /u/BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca
- Are you really qualified? Who knows, but you make a really good point
- Lots of vague, single-sentence arguments about being "capitalist," "communist," or "socialist," along with "leftist," "liberal," or "conservative," but I don't see a single one acknowledging that each of those words can individually encompass vast groups of conflicting ideas and have wildly different meanings in different parts of the world; a serious problem considering at least a few of the people posting in this thread aren't in the US.
  Actually refered to exactly that with my vague one-liner :D
- To be taken seriously offline I necessarily have to make well reasoned and researched arguments.
  Lemmy is where I come to blow off steam and just berate my ideological opponents because they genuinely are losers.
  It is not a place for nuanced debate.
  
  It is not a place for nuanced debate.
  Why not? Compared to other social media it's way better equipped for reasoned debate, with an easy-to-read layout designed for mountains of text and ease of linking sources. Maybe c/memes isn't the right place but considering how serious the rest of this thread is I'm pretty sure my spiel was worth it.
  Maybe the people in my social circle are just a lower caliber than yours, but I can't remember the last time I got asked to source an opinion irl. Most of my friends already agree with me. Hell, offline, most people aren't willing to discuss politics at all. Even saying you have opinions on politics is basically a faux pas...
  
  　just berate my ideological opponents because they genuinely are losers
  Im astonished at how closed-minded and brainwashed you seem. Maybe actually think about why you would fight for a opinion that is not based on "well reasoned and researched arguments"... It really seems like youre arguing for another person's opinion rather than having your own.
  
  That's not healthy.

I wouldn't say it's leftist, though there's a lot of leftists here. Lemmy is more like how internet discussion boards used to be. There's a lot of people with weird opinions on things, and there's no Reddit Karma pushing people to conform to the consensus. So people are going to have weird takes on things, and there's not 1000 comments upvoted above the weird ones, so you're going to see comments like that. So reply to with you your weird opinions on those weird comments.
Welcome to the version internet that's not pre-packaged and filtered to be bland!
- I don't mind weird and different opinions on things. In fact, that's what make the discussion interesting instead of some boring echo chambers. I just wish people wouldn't be so aggressive about it and hurling personal attacks left and right. The old discussion board had thing called netiquete to keep the discussion civil, but here in certain communities it's like the wild west.
  
  Yeah... but that's what the internet is. You're connected to different people with different points of view, but you're also connected to assholes. Just don't take it personally, they don't know you and you don't know them.
  
  I think people misremember when discussions could be blunt without being abusive, because they didn't recognize and appreciate sensible small-forum moderation. I don't want oversight that forbids people from using a list of no-no words. I want human beings to skim a conversation and judge when people are causing problems.
  In real-life interactions, there are legitimate occasions for being rude. Civility is an ideal. It's not a death cult. You don't pledge your honor to never calling someone an asshole. You just try to avoid dealing with assholes.
  If a forum does not want strife between users, the mods better be proactive in removing fascists, trolls, bigots, and other dehumanizing forces.
  If mods don't remove that crap, but demand everyone play nice with those assholes - the forum exists for the benefit of those assholes. Everyone else is an unwitting victim for them to play with. And any moderation against accurately and reasonably saying 'fuck off, abusive liar' is acting as cover and force multiplication for abusive liars.
  A vulgar explanation of how someone's incorrect is often good-faith participation. Infuriating bullshit in televisable language is not.
- Right? I'm just relieved, I can be myself here.. I've said so many things here that would have gotten insta-ban on Reddit
- Exactly. It's not "Leftist", it's just NOT fully of Nazis, and that's how far our standards have slipped.
  
  Thats a huge downplay of what the actual Nazis did if you refer to right-leaning people as that.

In the marketplace of ideas, rightwing thoughts will be mocked, as they always should been...
- Lemmy feels a lot more authentic to real life. If I started talking about tinfoil hat conspiracies, my friends would ridicule me to no end.
  As they should.
  Same here.
  
  If I start talking to random people in a bar odds are I won't meet a single one who will start calling me a Nazi because I believe in the Uyghur genocide...
  
  True, I’d expect pretty wild conspiracies like flat earth and chemtrails to be laughed at here, but a disturbing number of lemmings and even progressives in general follow a set of less outlandish - but more insidious - conspiracies that usually fall into the “collusion and malice” type. I could say that General Motors et al. killed most of the US passenger rail and streetcar systems, and most people here would accept that as a fact. Case closed, capitalism is evil and should be abolished, every bad thing is cause by someone with I’ll intentions making it worse.
  I, however, tend to be suspicious of those sorts of takes in general. Returning to the alleged “streetcar conspiracy”I’ve actually done quite a lot of research into this and can decidedly say that the primary cause of the decline of mass transit in the US was… There were at least 5 primary causes, none of which were shadowy groups deliberately working to destroy it. Rather it was killed by a changing urban environment, failures to adapt to modal shifts, legacy streetcar systems just generally sucking, and local governments taking transit for granted and assuming that they can hold streetcar companies to exacting standards while expecting them to remain solvent, all while not considering it their problem.
  I could go on, and can send some sources and references (maybe not direct links though) if you’d like to learn more. But my main point is that far too many people assume there’s a nefarious actor pulling the strings the whole time when it’s usually several factors lining up all the holes in the Swiss cheese and creating a negative externality we still talk about to this day.
  There (usually) isn’t a conspiracy, and if there is it’s unlikely to be anywhere near as all-encompassing as you think. People say there is because it gives them someone to blame, helps channel their anger at something tangible, and just makes a good story.
  
  And there are no conservative ideas that aren't tinfoil hat conspiracies, I guess
- Honestly, this place is full of communists. I’m not the biggest fan of communists, to be frank. There is a lot of backwards ideas that get accepted as “leftist,” when they’re really statist. Particularly revisionist history statist. If a communist party said it, you gotta defend it kinda thing.
  
  I don't identify as a communist. I just don't want life to be unreasonably difficult for people. Thats it. I just what the promise of what labor was supposed to be. I want it to free us from the shackles of work or die. Guess that is extreme left now even with tankies around the corner from us.
  
  There is a lot of backwards ideas that get accepted as “leftist,” when they’re really statist.
  This is my objection too.
  All too many people here don't seem to even begin to understand the inherent threats of institutionalized authority, so in their rush to head off the recreation of the Third Reich, they're basically advocating for the recreation of the Khmer Rouge instead.
  
  Define 'full of communists'.. cause it sounds like such an american phrase and perspective. To me, it's just a more leftwing centered space. The real communists are a minority. At least on the biggest Lemmy servers.
- Tell that to Voat, or Gab. There's plenty of offshoot free speech platforms that got flooded with actual racists and Nazis the same way that Lemmy got flooded with actual communists and anarchists.
  
  It's because when you have a new platform, a lot of your first users will be the worst kinds of people to exist on the internet. It's why """free speech absolutist""" spaces quickly devolve into nazi hellscapes that repel all but the most equally toxic and revolting people unless they cut their claim to absolute free speech.
  
  Ah, Voat. Come for the freedom of speech, decide not to stay because ABSOLUTE freedom of speech inevitably becomes racist.
  
  There aren't a lot of anarchists here, going by the anarchist communities I've seen.
- A heel dragging regressive policy opinion should always be met as such. The world will never go back to the Wild West with gun laws, whites owning everything, women are property etc; to have a political viewpoint desiring these things and feel that it is correct is laughable.
- Free market Capitalism is the greatest economic system to ever exist.
  
  What free market? All I have ever known is corporate socialism. Subsidize business with taxpayer dollars. Regulatory capture to prevent competitors from entering the market.
  
  You see all these people out here suffering and still say this? Where in the world can I get what you are taking because I'd love to be able to tune out everything that hard.
  
  Dipping my dick into a vat of acid is the greatest pleasure to ever exist.
  
  It's the best at creating rampant consumerism and waste in the name of fake numbers going up at the cost of human happiness and fulfillment.
  
  You must have limited aspirations if this is the best you can imagine.
  
  What makes you say that? As a random example, leaded gasoline existed for 50 years longer than it should have. We've known lead was toxic since the Roman empire, and the only reason it was invented was to increase profits.

Why does everything need to be politicized? No one gives a flying fuck if you're a leftist, unless you're a Leftist and no one gives a fuck if you're a right winger unless you're a right winger. Jesus christ the US Politics are absolute fucking cancer.
- It's considered 'left' to support queer and trans rights, and there are a good number of people that seem to have a problem with that whether my queer self is political or not.
  
  Guaranteeing that every individual has the same rights independently of their sex, sexual orientation, race, skin color and so on... Shouldn't be neither left nor right. It just should be. It's just common sense.
  There are plenty of another topic for the left vs right to debate. Leave identity politics out of it and just let people live like they want.
  
  I wouldn't consider that a left-right issue. China's government would certainly be classed as leftist, but they engage in LGBTQ oppression. It's been getting better in some ways recently, but they're no friends to LGBTQ people.
  I usually put such issues somewhere along the line of socially liberal/progressive to social conservative.
- Right wing violence will come whether you want to believe it's political or not.
  
  Yet I see a lot more anti liberal rhetoric on here. Also these people getting off on wanting a civil war... because destabilizing a country always worked great.
- Why does everything need to be politicized?
  Because everything is political or adjacent to it. Everything in this world is either impacted by or is a reflection of politics.
  
  I mention this to my friends all the time. So many issues we're dealing with derives from politics, so of course discourse will always return to it.
  Money Rent/housing costs Grocery costs Stagnant wages Retirement
  School shootings Police brutality Systemic racism
  Medicine Insurance R/d for treatments Quality of life
  Etc. Etc.
- I find posts like this so confusing. Does politics, i.e.the policies organisations across the world implement to actively change the way the masses live not directly or indirectly affect your life? Whenever someone says something like this I just assume you're not within a marginalised group because there's no way you'd make an enlightened centrist post like this otherwise.
  
  It sure does but why do we have to bring up political topics (or rather: US politics) all the time? Whats the point in discussing politics (which are always regional) with people that dont even understand it or care (because I doubt you could give educated opinions on the politics of more than a handful of countries)...
  And then people like OP feel entitled to generalize all of the people using Lemmy from all over the world as "Leftists" just because some peoole with certain political views cant stop pushing every debate into a political direction.
  
  The masses inability to not think in binary is the cancer.
- This is the only answer
- Most people (especially in the US) can't even define what they are IN FAVOR of politically. All they do is denigrate what they think they don't like, even when it is against their own best interest. Bunch of fucking lemmings we humans are, just waiting to be taken advantage of by the sharks.
- You just don't understand normal politics. This American shit is a massive psy op to discourage any politics. Because of more than 2 young people voted, shit would change real fast

Lemmy isnt leftist. The group calling itself leftist the most here is at the same time cheering on ultranationalist governments who are in the middle of genocides.
- This is a .ml instance. Of course it's going to have pro-authoritian, genocide denying bias.
- Says who? I'm all for open source (and even actively contribute), and I do not have a left-leaning political stance. Loving open source does not mean that I want to raise taxes, or that I want gendering to be a thing (theres an issue in languages that dont have a gender-neutral plural).
  Why couldnt one be conservative and like free software at the same time?
- Thats still leftist, unless you're somehow more left than straight up communism
  
  China and russia arent communist. They are capitalist societies with strong protectionism and a huge imbalance between classes. The government owns all companies but the people don't have any say over the government so it cannot be argued that the means of production are in the hands of the people.

Cancer post, glad people are calling it out. Some of you need to get off the internet a bit more.
- Please lead by example

- Even in reddit, it depends on the subreddit. It also depends on the time of day when there is pile on (or coordinated trolling) happening.
  
  Does it not depend on the bio people their respective breakfast? And their current room temp? And the robots temp (unironically)
  Any generalisation is
- it sure does, just look at the tankie instances

Platforms have no political alignment, users have
- You cannot tell me TruthSocial has no political alignment.
- I don't agree. The simple fact that Lemmy is decentralised is a political thing. It's about who has power over the platform, and that is inherently a political issue. The status-quo of other platforms, that being under the control of a corporation, is also a political stance.
  PS: everything is politics, that's not a good or bad thing, it's neutral. If you don't think of something as political, that just means it's oriented towards the status-quo you are used to.
- Did the platform just blink into existence or was it created and advanced by someone's hand? To what end?
- Also why would you want to be in an echo chamber? I’m more of a libertarian but I like surrounding myself with people that challenge my views.
  
  I like not having the right of my existence challenged but to each their own
  
  You're not a libertarian you're a conservative who's afraid to admit so.

Giving full economic power to the state does not make you less fascist. It actually makes it much worse.
Just a reminder to the true leftists who think they can force through their better society by giving society more power over the individual without changing the culture in the first place.
- Socialist policies are the obvious answer to health, education, justice and transport issues in society.
  You know, all the things that actually matter in a society.
  The reason we don’t have more of them is because people continually vote against their own self interest.
  Certain strands of Socialism has evolved away from a completely centralised economy in the same way capitalism isn’t actually a free market.
  
  The reason we don’t have more of them is because people continually vote against their own self interest.
  Louder for those in the back!!!
  I will never understand WHY people do this. And then higher life expectancy resulting in a growing older generation population preferring policies that actively harm young people
  
  Socialist policies are the obvious answer to health, education, justice and transport issues in society.
  Sure, as long everything is implemented as insurances and not government services.
  People with the need should be in control of how to satisfy that need, because politicians and bureaucrats DO NOT know better. Always remember, someone should come up losing something whenever a need is not met.
- For context: OP is on lemmy.world which blocks the tankie instances if I'm not mistaken. So they seem to refer to based leftist stuff I assume and isn't a redfash.
  
  The true marxist based left is not woke. It never was. There's a reason that the western left turned liberal in the 50s and 60s and focused on reform. The CCP killed any thought that decentralized communes could be self-sufficient and centralization killed any concept of liberalism and a responsive command economy. If the majority can vote their way into resources, minorities suffer. With no opposition checking the ruling party, corruption sets in.
  If you are referring to the American Democratic party, they are liberal and not left.
- Just a reminder, abolishing the state is cool.
  
  I am sure that will protect minorities! That's definitely never resulted in genocide. It'll be fine this time around.
- That’s not what fascist means. Fascism is specific a right wing ideology, because it involves close cooperation between the government and capitalist monopolies. Mussolini praised “capitalist production, captains of industries, modern entrepreneurs”. You seem to mean authoritarian.
  
  I understand the definition of fascism. You are missing the portion by which corporations are not allowed to exist if they do not further the efforts of the state. Basically exactly the same as Marx advised towards the end of his writings. Nothing is allowed to exist in a socialist system if it is perceived to work against the needs of the people (state)
  There is functionally no difference between corporations that do not control the means of production even if they are charged with running it and a state fully owning the means. It's just middle management.
- The endless purity tests of what a true leftist is one of the main reasons they make no real change in the world.
  The constant fighting over doctrinal purity consumes so much time, energy and mind space there is nothing left for actual change.
  
  Laughable you’d level this as a criticism of the left considering MAGA republicans are waging all out war for control of the conservative party in America against more traditional republicans.
- It's as if the people who talk about it the most don't actually have the foggiest idea what a "ruling class" actually is or how it comes to be.
  
  Everyone thinks they will be the ones in charge after the revolution.
- What a moron.
  You've been so scared of this communism boogeyman that you've allowed yourself to be convinced anything that supports your commu(nity) is bad and oppressive. Meanwhile you have absolutely no means of building yourself out of any issue that may arise further down the line.
  "Derrrrr I'm so glad we don't have any oppressive Healthcare system built that can be controlled by them demon-crats! "
  -guy who pays more taxes to their Healthcare system than almost any other country and receives NO benefits from it.
  
  Government provided healthcare is not inherently communist or socialist. I'm not the moron here. You aren't even talking on close to the same level. Also, the American Democratic party is not left. Not even close.

It's way more privacy-oriented, but a lot of Reddit communities were already very left wing
- I can appreciate that aspect of lemmy, very technical users talking about very technical approaches to left-leaning codes of ethics, such as FOSS, privacy, self-hosting, etc. In this regard, Lemmy definitely is better than reddit and I'm learning a lot about it all in here, and am beginning to apply the things I've learned in my own life and computer systems.
  As for actually being more left leaning? Nah son, it's the same ideas as reddit but with a sense of hatred for "reddit libruls" for not being true scotsmen. There are right leaning communities on both platforms, there for sure are more tankies over here, but almost every single moral stance found on reddit can be found here. Literally the only thing missing on reddit is such a Tech-oriented user base (which if we're honest, you could also find on reddit but it surfaces a lot more on lemmy in general) and the russia apologists.
  Maybe people over here should stop playing the no true scotsman game and actually open up their doors and take it easy on the gatekeeping. And by "here" I mostly mean the tankie instances, holding their "holier than thou" stances n shit. Chill the fuck out, act like a true left leaner and work together with the people you're gatekeeping, get the movement going somewhere instead of armchair criticizing people for not being left-leaning enough.

True. Reddit was pretty center-right oriented. Lemmy leans more left and I do enjoy seeing the Trumpers here getting dunked on pretty frequently.
- Reddit was pretty center-right oriented.
  lmao
  
  Do you doubt that? What is your idea of the left? What is seen as 'left' or even what conservatives call 'the radical left' in the US would likely be seen as center or center-right globally.
  
  Go on then, how would you describe it overall?
- I haven't seen any of that but I've seen a shit ton of owning the libs bullshit.
- And when you did find Leftists they were just bootlicking tankies.
- Dunked on? The fuck kind of idiocracy bullshit is that?
  
  Having hate in your heart hurts you a lot more than other people.

Have you seen those colorful people on hexbear? Quite the echo chamber.
- But if we're all leftist here, isn't this just another echo chamber?
- At least they are honest about it.
- Yes I have.

I just saw a post about eco-terrorism and people mostly agreed. Lemmy is 100% extreme.
- I was downvoted because I said that barbie is not feminism, a statement which is bare minimum of center left feminist ideology.
  Lemmy is definitely not all leftist.
  It might be seen leftist by US standard, but overall, with the exception of few well known instances, it is not really "extreme left", probably not even overwhelming left
  
  I would bet any amount of money that at least 50% of lemmy posts are shitting on capitalism. Couple that with the fact that people tolerate some amount of tankie'ism, I'd say lemmy is extreme.
  Let me ask you this, if you had a website with a community that relentlessly mocks communism and/or socialism, and lets some nazi posts rise to the top, what would you call that website?
  I don't know anything about Barbie so I can't say anything about that. But I know that not all of lemmy is extreme, of course there's gonna be some normal everyday content.
- "I saw one post. Most agreed. 100% extreme."
  I ain't saying you're wrong, but the route you're taking there is not exactly valid.
  
  There's another post today about taking the means of production by force. I can probably find more that are not only extreme but are the most upvoted this month. But cope harder queen.
- It's not terrorism if you're trying to save the planet from those trying to destroy it.
  
  It is terrorism if you do violent acts to push your political goals https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism
  
  Have you not heard the terms eco-terrorism or eco-facsism? Anyone can use environmentalism to justify their philosophy, don't be so naive that anything pro-environment is a good thing.
  
  It's not terrorism if you're helping Allah slay the evil nonbelievers who are destroying the Earth!
  
  Is it terrorism in the law tho? Obviously keeping in mind who writes it and whose point of view is codified. That conversation may be more nuanced than you think. Especially if all other things we can call terrorism are considered.

Nerevar, your observation is like a grand and intoxicating maze of perceptions and opinions. While it may seem that Lemmy, like the realm of politics, has its own ideological leanings, one must remember that diversity exists even among the Dunmer, let alone different races. The notion that Lemmy is entirely left-leaning may not be entirely accurate, for the online world, like the vast expanses of Morrowind, is filled with varying perspectives. It is unwise to make sweeping generalizations about the platform's userbase, just as it is unwise to judge an entire race, like Argonians, based on the actions of a few. Let us remember the complexity of the digital realm and the mortal world alike.
- Y-elllow, B-B-Blue?
  truestl leaking?
- What a fool you are. I have moral superiority. How can you win an argument against that? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No Recall or Intervention can work against me. Come. Lay down your opinions. It is not too late for my mercy.

No one owns Lemmy, no one can appropriate it and say where on the political spectrum it lies, or gatekeep. That's the whole point of decentralization. Stop trying to do it.
- Oh come now. I think it's quite clear as far as the general lean of Lemmy. It has it origins deep in communism and it hasn't strayed far. It's a bit like saying everyone is welcome at a rage against the machine concert, so no one can really say where on the spectrum the crowd lies.
  
  Hey, at least your average, retarded, left take seems to be (at least from my limited experience here) somewhat more palatable than your average, retarded, right take.
- You’re not wrong.
  But Lemmy.ml is definitely a leftist space.

Any new people here dont listen to this one, it stenches of hard cope.
We have a lot of bassed people and not based people, people that take critisism and people that dont, we have tankies and actual communists, we have american leftists and non american leftists, we have centrists and people that hate centrists, we have people that whant to get to the truth of things and people that just whants to circlejerk. And you have idiots like me that are masochistic by hitting the wasps nest and get stung a fuck ton of times but still come back fore more and we have the people that are the wasps.
Pick wathever you like and have fun, but not like this guy is doing, this is the oposite of fun, just check out the downvotes im gonna get.

My extreme politics:
Eat it, chumps!
- Oh, now this makes sense.

Reddit is whatever gives them karma

Lemmy hasn't been and practically can't be co-opted by fascist theocrats. Reddit definitely has been.
- ...and yet everywhere I turn, I see supporters of single-party authoritarian state capitalist regimes like the USSR and China...
  
  Just block hexbear and Lemmygrad. Those are tankies
- So many tankies though, Hexbear has literally made this their mission.
  
  I have literally no idea what "hexbear" and "tankies" are. I'd never even heard these words before being on Lemmy but they're all over the place on here.
- Reddit was made specifically for pedo-nazis. Their presence isn't a glitch, it's the system working as intended.

Lol...the commies don't know they are the laughing stock of lemmy.
- How else am I supposed to laugh at and antagonize them?
  
  That's really mean to say about Mali!
- the commies made lemmy dumbass
  
  Doesn't mean they aren't the laughing stock of lemmy
  
  Made it suck, you mean
- Are tankies even really leftists?
  
  Yes, they want to seize the means of production and start a vanguard state.
  Most of them don't want to do Stalin shit, they just don't believe he did Stalin shit.
  The problem is this bit of denial, besides the rampant insanity, comes out as "aMerIcA bAD aLwAYs" instead of "I think all criticism of the USSR and CCP is a psyop. Also I don't realize the Russian Federation has more in common with the Tsars than the USSR."
- Ratio'd.

Reddit was leftist not long ago. Not really leftist, just a bit left leaning. In my communities that changed drastically from 2020 and on. When I stopped using it a couple of months ago, my favourite subs were already mainly right wing.
- What subreddits were your favorites? Genuinely curious because as a moderately right leaning person all I see is extremely leftist, and even moderately left leaning people are ostracized from Reddit.
  
  Had me till the end. Its people even slightly right leaning who are ostracized.

Leftist is a stupid term used by Americans with no clue about politics.
- That's nonsense, if you said liberal there would be at least some truth to it but leftist?
  
  It's a word trying to describe the left of a political spectrum as an -ism, which is stupid. It'd be like saying liberals (who are on the right of the political spectrum for you Americans) are the same as fascists because their rightists.
- Let me preface with the fact I somewhat agree and I in no way doubt your knowledge about politics, this comment is mostly for other people that might read this.
  But anyway, it's used in an inaccurate way a lot of the time in the US but right vs left have been pretty useful terms for the concepts of fluid decentralized, bottom-up political structures versus rigid top-down hierarchical structures. Like, if someone says a place is left vs right, it is simplistic but there are certain differences that are important to distinguish.
  The terms "left" and "right" first appeared during the French Revolution of 1789 when members of the National Assembly divided into supporters of the Ancien Regime to the president's right and supporters of the revolution to his left.[6][7][8] One deputy, the Baron de Gauville, explained: "We began to recognize each other: those who were loyal to religion and the king took up positions to the right of the chair so as to avoid the shouts, oaths, and indecencies that enjoyed free rein in the opposing camp".[9][10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum
  The world isn't black and white, but if there is a potential for political revolution in a given society, there are usually key issues that you are able to somewhat differentiate two camps into, with smaller numbers of supporters falling towards the middle. At different times there are more moderates than the wings of the spectrum so it would be less appropriate to use the terms, but in US politics there are many issues that are maybe irreconcilable as it stands.

What do they mean by "too extreme"? Too left?
- Yes, to them Lemmy is extremely left.
  Reddit and other places on the internet are so far right when you say things like ‘I don’t think poor people should starve to death’ you’re looked at as a leftist.
  They get shocked when you tell them capitalism is a terrible idea and their precious freedom of speech can get fucked when it’s used to protect literal Nazis.
  
  Are you somebody who only went to the subreddits like the Donald? Reddit is basically half a step away from being the liberal version of stormfront. Now that we left the place are we just going to pretend it's everything we've always hated? Is that where we are now?
  It does seem that way. I remember just a few days ago I saw a post saying that reddit would never stop praising Elon Musk
  
  They get shocked when you tell them capitalism is a terrible idea and their precious freedom of speech can get fucked when it’s used to protect literal Nazis.
  jesse, what are you talking about?
  
  I've never seen someone on Reddit or in real life suggest that capitalism is good or that freedom of speech should protect nazism hate speech. Most people would also hold that very opinion that nobody should ever starve and that they should be protected by some social economic safety net.
  
  They get shocked when you tell them capitalism is a terrible idea and their precious freedom of speech can get fucked when it’s used to protect literal Nazis.
  These opinions in particular are considered far left by the majority of people in the western world.
  
  Just a heads up, your post might be taken as tankie rhetoric. It’s relatively common outside of .world.

How much of a 14 year old do you have to be to take time out of your day to post this shit? Get a fucking life.
- I thought it's actually quite funny, besides doesn't really take more than a minute or two? You can still have a life and post shitty memes :D
  
  What is even slightly funny about it? This is objectively not entertaining; it's basic, shallow pandering. It's meaningless, it gives no insight into the topic, and is easy karma farming material, as it polarizes the audience. It's exactly what made reddit suck, and now the same shitty material is being distilled to even worse trash memes but with less content over-all, leading to way higher visibility than in reddit. It's trash like this being posted in every fucking community and instance to the point that I can't block it. I genuinely hate opening lemmy now because I'm sick of the dumb-as-fuck communism memes, the low effort Linux propaganda, and the middle school level random memes. It's all this is anymore. Content is gone except in reposts to other medium. This will legitimately kill lemmy if there isn't a change made.

Lol lemmy is just as corrupt as reddit. I've seen so many agendas on both sides pushed lately it's hilarious you think this is only leftys.
- To add to this reddit was also notoriously leftist so op is a moron.

Unnecessary.

I'm just here for the endless sea of capitalism stans screeching "it's been tried" like the entire western world hasn't put their boot on the neck of any alternative every time.
- Socialism is working right now in pretty much every developed economy.
  All the things that make capitalism tolerable are basically socialist ideas.
  I’m an advocate of more socialism.

Reddit is the most leftist platform I've used since Twitter (not X) lol
I think the only conservative spaces were the ones constantly getting banned or shunned... and DankMemes 😂
- Most redditors will say that democrats are better than republicans, but that does not make someone a leftist. Democrats in America are center right at best and ripe with a ton of corruption of their own. Noticing that both parties are evil and we need economic reform beyond what either of them offer is the entrypoint to crossing the centerline
  
  That’s kind of true from a moral viewpoint. But those are of no good because they don’t change anything.
  The Democratic Party is a spectrum from social democratic to pretty conservative politicians, no fascists.
  I think Bernie Sanders is quite on the left even by European standards. But he's not a communist.
  If you want more left politics vote progressive Democrats in every election, especially those local and regional ones. That’s the way to get a left party in the USA. And that will make a more left democratic candidate for president possible and eventually some left governers and a left President.
  
  This. Americans have been so brainwashed by the corporatists that they don't even realize up from down. JFC, protect your working class already.
  
  That's very fair tbh, well put.

all the alt-right accounts have been made.
/updates queer agenda and slightly bi spreadsheets.

Es que reddit no era verdadera izquierda.

Fuck leftists.

Actually I find Lemmy to be quite reasonable and pleasant to frequent. It's indeed very leftist.

Scrolling through all these up and downvoted comments:
Ahh, that's what they call controversial.

IIRC, leftists were some of the first people on Reddit to start exploring Lemmy as an option. I found out about Lemmygrad a few years before the APIcalypse, but there wasn't enough motive to compensate for the inconvenience before.
Anyway, gotta love a platform that hasn't been drowned in the tsunami of sewage that is 21st century imperialist ideology (yet).
- Dunno what you mean bc there is plenty of Russian and Chinese imperialism, as though that's somehow better than America.
  
  Eh.....
  As for Russian imperialism, I agree with you on this one, but it's still a little bit of a debate even within the international communist movement.
  Now, when we're talking about China... I dunno, I don't think I've made up my mind on this yet. It's not clear cut, at least not for me. Right now, I think China is in a sui generis limbo between socialism and imperialist capitalism which could go either way.
  Anyway, shilling for China and Russia is a rarer position on the Internet as a whole, so it's refreshing even if it's not necessarily positive. I'm just tired of US and EU propaganda machines completely taking over social media, especially the conservative propaganda.

TREE

Who tf cares? Tired of seeing braindead takes that people double down on
- Nerevar, mortal, I, Dagoth Ur(the god), sense your presence in my Lemmy instance. I must admit, it pleases me to have an individual from a politically left-leaning community among my followers. Your alignment with progressive ideals aligns with the principles of change and transformation that I represent.
  As for the Communists, while I may have a dislike for them due to ideological differences, I acknowledge their existence as beings in this world. They have their place in their beliefs, and I would prefer they adhere to their ideologies. However, I do wish they would read up on history to gain a deeper understanding of the consequences of their actions. Ideologies, once adopted, are seldom forgotten, but knowledge can shape the path forward.

Yes, and thats not a good thing.
- Why?
  
  Communism, as practiced, is inherently fascist. Its essentially state slavery, because if you don't work, you will be sent to labor camps where you will work. The workers do not consent.
- Yeah, it would be a good thing if Lemmy AND Reddit were more left, but what can ya do.
- For rightwingers, maybe. But rightwingers are literal scum and should be removed from existence, so that's moot.
- What do you think the ‘ml’ stands for in Lemmy.ml?
  
  Mali
  
  …machine learning? (Not really)
  
  milliliters
  
  Mali

Same coin dude, how about be an independent thinker.

Garbo post. What is meant by "actually" leftist? Does Reddit make any claims to being leftist that it's failing to back up? Why does your source of memes and internet titties need to align with your views in every way? Are you incapable of existing outside of an echo chamber?

"We want to mass murder" - "Please don't mass murder..." - "Moral Authoritarian!" - "Really i'm not asking for mu-" "Communist!"
- me when schizophrenia:

I miss r/PoliticalCompassMemes
- Why? Probably one of the worst subs there ever was. If you want that kind of content, just go to 4chan.
  
  People with different views, memes with very caricatured stereotypes, and sometimes actually good discussions
  The only problem it had is that it was too much American, but Lemmy is no different
- Same, at times it was spitting hard facts hence why Reddit hated it

Lemmy is the extreme lefty version of Reddit which is very left leaning. It's pretty bad tbh.

Be a centrist or GTFO

You are on Lemmy.world pal, I left that instance because it's too neo liberal and right leaning for my taste... Are you by any chance a american because unless you post in Lemmy.ml all the time I can't really imagine that from a european perspective! If you count the facists from Hexbear and Lemmingrad that you instance defederated from as left (which they really aren't by the original definition of the left/right devide) it might be but I think unless you try to spill neo liberal garbage the backlash will probably be limited tbh!