Which Lemmy voter actively campaigned for Trump?

I keep seeing this sentiment here lately, yet no evidence that it happened on a meaningful scale is ever presented.

This is sort of strawmanning some of the criticism. Leftists who held up nonvoting as some kind of magic bullet for gaza definitely seem like they are dumber than rocks for thinking nonvoting is the same as strategic voting.

However, There's a bunch of like consultants and dem strategists that have clung to this to scapegoat these people as though there wasn't a long chain of massive errors dems and their braindead consultants weren't heavily involved in.

At the end of the day just stop listening to "not voting is a moral stance" people and put fires under the real culprits: lying republican media and apathetic democrat politicians

It's the Palestinian Muslim Leftists who have completely overrun our beloved liberal institutions and undermined them. These tankies are the fifth column that brought Harris's glorious march to office down from the inside.

We clearly need to purge our companies, our schools, and our political organizations of anyone who resembles, aligns with, or appears to look like a Palestinian or a Leftist sympathizer.

We absolutely must do this in order to Beat Trump. You do want to Beat Trump, don't you?

Look, it's time to take stock and move ahead, we need to focus on the here and now and try to do some good, and prevent some bad.

To that end, I recommend that both liberals and leftists focus on performatively scolding imaginary interlocutors from the other group over semi anonymous forums.

They stopped running primaries because they almost lost control of the party to Bernie Sanders in 2016.

The DNC will never make that mistake again. It made their doners very upset.

Neither party runs presidential primaries when their guy is incumbent. It's almost superstitious, that having someone 'primary' your incumbent is going to make them lose (because of losses under those circumstances by Ford, Carter, and Bush Sr.

Of course the cause/effect is backwards, they were primaried because their administration was at risk, they weren't at risk because of the primary, but as superstitions go...

I suspected that many of the accounts were Russian plants or Trump supporters trying to divide the Democrat vote. Most of the time when I checked account age they were made either that day or the day before.

I know that Lemmy is new and all but still was sus.

I haven't gone back to accounts to see if they are still active. I suspect that they aren't.

Calling it simplified does a disservice of the real world impacts of the "trolley" - especially since unlike a thought experiment - this trolley problem is physically constructed by people to achieve imperialistic goals - so expending energy blaming random lemmings for this - instead of figuring out who built, maintains and presents the trolley as the only option and how to dismantle it seems useless.

I believe we should avoid infighting and actually organize to do something so we don't have to choose if we pull the lever or not every 4 years (if there even is another election..)

It's almost like single-issue voters aren't very good at logic problems…

I find it scary how easily people where fine with having genocide on both sides of the ticket.

As a fellow reluctant Harris voter, what upsets me the most is that the numbers people have run shows that no, actually, genocide was not the deciding factor in this election, which is kind of an indictment of America itself, but regardless, I'm sick of leftists being blamed when all the ones I know STILL voted Harris and the data shows that it wasn't leftist that didn't turn out, it was centrists. Harris didn't have a voter base. Sure, some dems turned out, but she didn't actually inspire people to vote, and that's basically the only way dems win.

Remember when the Dems thought they could win while actively telling people who were anti genocide to go fuck themselves?

I do, and was downvoted for calling it out from my last account, and this one for remembering it.

Are these people gaslit or are they doing it for their favorite political celebrities who don't know they exist or care for them?

You know who committed genocide?

Stalin killed thousands of Poles. The USA had lynchings going on all through WW2. I'm not even going to start on the UK.

And they were all better alternatives than Hitler.

I thought the ceasefire happened under Biden, but after the election had already been lost?

There aren't many options... Which is probably why op is blaming non-voters, who are complicit in creating our current situation.

Wasn't the idea to get the Democrats to explicitly state they were a anti genocide and promise policies to back that up?

It has, it's been a conspiracy on lemmy for the past 6 months. Any time anyone criticized Biden or Harris for aiding a genocide someone would pop up and say they're a secret republican or Russian bot.

It has, constantly. Anyone who disagrees with you folks is labelled a Russian bot who wants Trump to win. Even if they fall in line they were labelled that way, just for saying things like, "I'll vote for Biden but his age is a legitimate concern."

It absolutely was. And it was pushed by tiktok, a Chinese psyop.

So, yes, if you were in front of the trolley lever, you’d remark “Wow, this system is fucked. Why do we even have trolleys? Shouldn’t they have brakes?”

…and then not pull the lever.

You're an idiot and the reason Trump won and is ruining the country. Congrats you enlightened centrist. Stupid fuck

I'd rather have someone watch me fight a bear then have them help the bear by shooting me, and the rest of my family, repeatedly while I fight it. So yeah really would've been a lot better.

Biden: doesn't invade Gaza

Genocide Joe crowd after Trump cleanses Gaza: But did you think about how this is Joe Bidens fault?

It's clear that Israel has major sway with the US. We were not gonna stop them no matter who was in charge. I think Joe did as much as he could without pissing off our corporate overlords but him ending the conflict was never gonna happen.

I’m not sure the incessant chorus of 'I told you so’s is really helping the cause.

I've heard so much MSNBC bigotry in the last month.

"Palestinians cost us the election!"

"Trans people cost us the election!"

"Hispanics cost us the election!"

"Everyone under 40 cost us the election!"

This is typically followed by some sickeningly smug "I hope they enjoy what they get" from the most vile and repulsive insider slime the party has to offer. And now Dem Leadership is just throwing up its hands, insisting Trump's just a dictator now and there's nothing any of them can do.

Hell, the fucking CIA - the agency that exists to topple foreign governments - seems equally indolent and feckless. So, idk. Maybe saying "I told you so" isn't impacting the cause one way or another.

Yes, because hopefully if we point out how much not voting has hurt us and everyone else, these dimwits will actually choose the lesser evil next time instead of letting the greater evil win

Too late to say anything now that you've helped elect the orange felon. Too bad you couldn't stfu before and steered a significant amount of people to vote for the cunt as a protest vote. Enjoy the alternative.

And we (informed voters) spent a year and a half painting you a very detailed picture of what was going to happen if you didn’t suck it up and do what was necessary to keep a rapist traitor out of the White House. Hell.. even HE spent a year and a half telling you exactly what he was going to do.

Remember Project 2025? Yeah… that is the actual name of what’s happening right now.

Sooo…..

What the fuck are we supposed to say?

Start with: “I’m sorry” and work from there. Because anything short of this is unacceptable.

You spent a year criticising your own side and supporting a "both sides" narrative. You can't now pretend that you were trying to help the dems get elected.

There are literally commenters all over this thread (about Trumps intention to invade gaza), who believe Trump will produce a better outcome for Palestinians.

Its difficult because the dems 100% were enabling genocide. But, crazy enough, there's bad and worse genocide.

People who protest vote think they're "showing the dems" when they don't vote. Maybe the dems lose now but they learn a painful lesson and change in the future.

But here's the thing. The dems would rather lose to republicans than change. They will eat your protest vote. And they will accept they lost power for 4 years. And then they get re-elected and go back to what they were doing before. Being greedy and taking money from lobbyist as much as possible, including AIPAC, but not outright malicious. They never change because people only vote centrist dem or further right.

And them dems suck. They're bad. But Republicans? They're worse. They aren't doing genocide just for the profits. They're also doing it for the fun of it. The dems will show some restraint to avoid war with Iran. The Republicans won't.

So the protest vote won't show the dems shit. It will just unleash unapologetic genocide instead of milquetoast genocide. And while they're at it, the republicans will tank the economy and fuck up the lives of every minority they can manage.

Joe offered me Vanilla Ice Cream, but I prefer Strawberry, so to spite Joe I took Donald's offer to let him piss in my mouth...

You were warned what Trump wanted to do, and now he's turning Palestine into a Trump Resort

They had a bazillion complaints (and still get them) that they report the figures at all and that they don't treat Hamas being a terrorist organisation as a statement of fact. For a couple of weeks after the October the 7th attack, the reporting was more neutral, and the whole rest of the British press was up in arms about the BBC being antisemitic, and the current situation was the compromise that calmed it down. In a world where Israel having done nothing wrong ever is somehow part of the Overton window, this is what counts as impartial. Impartiality is a bad thing when it's forced to apply to viewpoints divorced from reality.

One of the newsreaders said after leaving that they could easily find 60 economists willing to say brexit would be disastrous, and 1 saying it would be good. Come the show, they'd present one of each to demonstrate balance, but it was very lopsided. Before he went mental, they had Graham Linehan and his wife on a current affairs show to tall about the stress of getting an abortion in Ireland. The producers were then lambasted for not having a pro-abortion person on.

Can't help but notice this. Turns out, the communist plot to destroy America was the billionaires we made along the way.

Wat? Pretty much everybody said this.

You are technically correct, in a way that would make Hermes Conrad blush. It is true, that nobody said "Trump will fix everything." itsonlygeorge didn't say that anyone literally said that exact phrase. It's an exaggeration of the actual verbal abuse we've been subject to for the last year or so.

You can literally browse my comment history and see that many many people said this to me.

they just wanted to be recognized

Well they got their wish. They are certainly recognized now.

If we buy into the idea that the situation in Palestine would be exactly the same, that means not voting for Harris because of Palestine was choosing all of the other horrible shit Trump is doing for zero benefit to Palestine.

Really showed them Dems!