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Oh look at that, exactly what literally every sane person predicted would happen is happening.

Yep all those idiot protest voters getting exactly what trump said he would do.
- I know neolibs like to blame everyone and everything but themselves but even if 100% of the protest voters voted for Harris, she still would have lost.
- Do you think this wouldn't happen if Kamala was president? Because I seem to recall an entire genocide they could have halted a year ago but chose not to.
  Are you seriously arguing that slow genocide is better than quick genocide?
Yes after a year+ of genocide, it's continuing unabated. People would have to be ins4Ne to believe anything else was gonna happen.

I would be curious to see the numbers but I don't think the pro Palestine protest voters cost the Democrats the election. It definitely didn't help, but the Dems shat the bed in way more ways than just the Palestine situation.

If they did, then all the neolibs were wrong that voters don't care about Palestine...
Which logically means the party needs to move to the left at least enough so that genocide isn't acceptable.
Instead, they act like fucking trump supporters and brag that a genocide is still happening.
There's zero logic or empathy with them, which is why some people call them "blue maga".
They're the ones that didn't stop watching CNN even after the new buyers blatantly and publicly said their goal was to become the fox news if he left.
- You are aware that people can hold two beliefs at once, right?
  Democrats are not doing enough and were actively allowing a genocide under their watch.
  Inside our current system, the most powerful act a citizen can perform is voting.
  So, not voting and encouraging others not to vote because "blue MAGA" is actively helping the people who are currently enacting genocide+.
Pro-Palestine protest votes didn't cost the Dems the election, but that a single group was not the deciding factor in a contest does not absolve them of responsibility. IE single-issue pro-Israel voters probably were not the reason for Trump's victory, but they still deserve a portion of the blame in voting for Trump.
And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.
- And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.
  The dimbass games are posts like this instead of arguing for civil disruption and actions beyond elections. The protesters entire point was the election won't stop the genocide either way and further action is needed. Trying to bait them into an argument about an election that's already fucking over serves nothing. Unless you don't care about the issue in the first place and just want to be divisive about it.
- single-issue pro-Israel voters probably were not the reason for Trump's victory, but they still deserve a portion of the blame in voting for Trump.
  Except they didnt vote for trump and it's disgusting to pretend otherwise
- Well said. I really wish people understood that blame can be shared because they really don't seem to understand that and haven't since November.
- Because the effect is the same. Sorry, again, you might finally experience what others have been.
Pretty much. They didn't offer anything their constituents wanted except for escape from DJT.
- Unfortunately "We aren't Donald Trump" wasn't a winning strategy two of the three times they tried it.
  I wonder what two terrible choices we are gonna have in 2028. Watch it be like fuckin Nancy Pelosi with an exoskeleton holding her up vs Dan Crenshaw who will have replaced his eye patch with a gun by then.
- I question even that: Did they really? Where did the party articulate a cohesive plan (or hell, even just an enthusiastic promise) to counter the rise of oligarchy?
  They promised an escape from him stylistically, but the majority of citizens who aren't political junkies weren't sick of it, because they weren't exposed to it, because they don't pay much attention to political news. What did they promise that the non-informed voter would notice in they're day-to-day life?
- You'd think that would've been enough....
Well many folks stayed home, and there's no number for that (by intention...staying home is staying home) so it would be hard to quantify.
But apathy in the face of a trump second term is worth discussing, given what was common knowledge about him by then
- I think the 2024 election cycle failure falls almost exclusively on the shoulders of the Democrats.
  Yeah Trump and his bullshit obviously played a part in where we ended up, but I genuinely believe that it more so came down to how the Democrats handled things in the years leading up to and during the election. I know people want to shift blame and point fingers. You could even make the argument that I'm doing that right now, but the data says otherwise.
  It's not like Trump is some generally beloved figure that was already super popular. No he's highly controversial. Many old school Republicans and conservatives despise the guy.
  So how does someone that nobody on the left likes and significant chunks on the right also aren't a fan of end up in the office again?
  At some point the democratic party need to actually reflect on where they went wrong instead of just pointing fingers and trying to shift blame.
  At the end of the day it's the job of the party to earn the votes of the people. They clearly didn't earn enough votes.
  Blue lost ground to red in every single state. That type of thing doesn't just happen outta nowhere.
- Yo can do some demographic analysis on it and that points to: white suburban men didn't shou up to vote.
  Here's a video discussing the data
It wouldn't have been a landslide, but it certainly assured the worst case scenario, MAGA sweeping all 3.
Who knows how it would have gone down otherwise, maybe the Democrats regained the house, maybe held onto the Senate. Maybe Trump would have lost, but Republicunts held onto Congress.
Who knows, but any of those would have been 10000x better than letting Drump get a hold of all 3.
Now everyone is screwed in some way.
- MAGA sweeping all 3.
  A lot of the House Senate races are likely due to the "victory fund" nonsense Hillary started and was then passed down to Biden and Kamala
  The way it gets away donation limits is using the max from state parties. The last time we got to see the books was after 2016, and states got like 1% of what was donated "for them" to the DNC and Clinton campaigns
  There's no sign anything has changed, and the neoliberals running the party have no requirements to disclose them
  So I just assume if they're hiding the books, they're hiding grifts at this point.
Id say anyone with half a brain, paid attention and was an informed voter knew exactly this is what we were in for - but it's clear most Americans are not informed because of the huge number of people who didn't participate (for whatever reasons)
- Highly engaged voters voted overwhelmingly for Kamala. Not because they liked her, but because they knew the alternative was dog shit. This is not an ideal situation.
What do you mean don't blame the brown people for White America's problems/identity crisis?
- Fuckin what?
- If you think white people have problems because of brown people, you're a stupid fuck. White people collect all the money that makes white people poor.
  "It's pretty cool that MAGA Elon has so much money and my life sucks."

Bullshit. I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.

Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party that can only drive votes with threats of even worse. It’s pretty easy to not fund a genocide and lie and say it isn’t happening when it clearly is. Dems can blame only themselves for poor turnout.

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- What the fuck are you saying?
  both sides are the same
  That I didn't vote because I knew trump was worse? I voted.
  the threats didn’t come from the dems. they came from the magats.
  "We're fighting fascism," or whatever they were saying. They didn't convince enough people to vote for them.
  you make it sound easy but agreements between nations are anything but that. last time I checked both the dems and repubs were running the government…how convenient of you to forget that.
  Regan called the head (premiere, president, I don't know) of Israel to tell them to calm down and the did. I'm not forgetting things. You don't know history.
  Again:
  agreements between nations are anything but that
  Wait did I forget how he took us out of the Iran deal to limit their nuclear program?
  Grow up.
Yeah, I voted blue, but I knew this was going to happen regardless of who won.
- At least with the blue team they're less likely to bend to protests...red team will just send the boots to step directly on you.
- That’s why politics for ordinary people needs to go way beyond voting.
- The bigger problem was that when you brought up domestic genocides before the election, it got handwaved away as you not caring about Palestinians and also dismissed as not going to happen. I saw this over and over on Lemmy, along with the ludicrous idea that once a genocide has started, it literally can't get worse because genocide is genocide.
- ... you know that's really an apt comparison. Never thought about it that way but really it's like a trolley problem except it is their job to shout for people to come up and pull the lever.
  It's no surprise they had trouble finding volunteers.
- yeah when the choice is between horrible and double super extra horrible, it’s hard to get really motivated to vote for horrible….
  I guess that's true if you're not used to being an adult. As an adult I can verify that a pretty common aspect of being an adult is minimizing fallout by making intelligent decisions.
  Turns out, there's a lot of children trapped in adult bodies in the U.S.
I voted against my conscience because I knew orange would harm people I love. It wasn’t enough.
So what? You still did the right/smart thing.
Dems didn’t offer anything compelling because they are a failed party
A failed party with a history of voting in favor of the middle/lower classes, who have provided affordable healthcare, strengthened worker rights/unions, lowered prescription drug costs, banned medical debt from showing up on credit reports, invested in clean energy, placed regulations on companies harming our environment, etc etc etc?
When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It's not like it's the first time in history that's happened.
- When are you going to stop blaming Dems and start accepting that an amoral party was able to convince a terrifying number of stupid Americans to vote against their own interests utilizing propaganda? It’s not like it’s the first time in history that’s happened.
  Both are true at the same time. She failed to condemn a genocide. Are you telling me that you think all those students protesting didn't matter?
There were no "threats," just pointing out real shit...
- Vote for me or you get Trump
  That's a threat, don't pretend to be stupid

Coworker: "I hate trump, he should never be president!" Me: "So you're voting Harris?" Coworker: "I don't know if we're ready for a WoMaN president"

Asking for a friend, where is the nearest cliff? He would like to go jump off of it.

Trump claiming credit for ceasefire and then destroying the region was always Bibi's plan. The propalestine protestors were against the administration for refusing to acknowledge that the israeli's were not negotiating in good faith. Had they played hard ball things might have been different.

Good thing they got rid of Genocide Joe to pave the way Death dealing Donny

Maybe the political party should have conformed to the pressure of the people who vote in its party. Just saying.

Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.
Also funny to imagine protest voters being powerful enough to sway the election but not powerful enough for Dems to listen to
- Dems would rather lose than appeal to what americans actually want.
  Lol. If we changed our foreign policies to win elections every 4 years we'd have exactly ZERO allies.
  Israel is America's most important ally in the middle east. We ain't giving that up for a single election.
  Edit: Ruffled some stupid feathers. Proud of your protest vote?
Who? People go on about how if we just told Israel to drop dead, voters would turn out in the millions, but what actual numbers are there to back it up? The majority of people willing to left the world burn as protest are young and statistically, they don't vote, the issues be damned.
The simple reality is that this "Silent majority" of far leftists Internet pundits want the Democratic Party to appeal to does not exist. Biden didn't try to appeal to these people, because they were never really going to turn out.
- These numbers
  https://www.imeupolicyproject.org/postelection-polling
  By a more than three-to-one margin, Biden 2020 voters who did not vote for Harris say they would have been more likely to have voted for Harris if she “pledged to break from President Biden's policy toward Gaza by promising to withhold additional weapons to Israel” rather than less likely.
- Wow they don't exist but we gotta shit on them because we lost the election....
  This is the same as Republicans saying immigrants will take your jobs and that they're lazy and stupid at the same time
- If there are tiny in number, then they didn't sway the election, so your premise is false...
There is no reality in which America jeopardizes its relationship with its most important ally in the middle east.
Simply not an option.
So now we get to watch Dipshit Donny give Netanyahu free reign to turn Palestine to dust.
But if you're implying that Dems should have lied like Republicans lie and told their constituents that they'd stop supporting Israel in order to get re-elected, then yeah, they absolutely should have done that to prevent what we're about to experience.
- Israel is not an ally to the US.
  Allies don't need to spend millions in donations to Congress and presidental candidate.
  Allies don't launch and support campaign to attack (anti-apartheid) protesters and candidates.
  Allies, don't attack US military and blame it on Arab.
  Allies don't protect pedophile and refuse to sign a extradition agreement.
- What if people are implying that democrats should have just idk not committed genocide?

In general, let’s gently redirect anger away from protest voters.

First, I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that the volume of protest votes would have impacted the Electoral College. Harris would have likely won Michigan, but that seems to be the extent of what would have happened if all protest votes had flipped to blue. (Please feel free to correct me with evidence if this is inaccurate.)

Second, you’re directing your frustration at the wrong group. The Democratic Party ran a campaign that was basically center right and fostered mass apathy at the polls. That’s the real issue. You can continue to direct anger at non-voters, but all this infighting does little to hold the Democratic Party accountable for running a campaign that encouraged people to literally stay home.

Nah, they get lumped right in with the people that stayed home. They knew they were throwing their vote away because they knew there was zero chance of their party winning the election.
The real issue is that all the protest voters and protest non voters enabled this guy, on purpose, and they know it:
Kilmeade then asked Trump: “Are you on-board with the way the [Israel Defense Force] is taking the fight to Gaza?”
“You’ve got to finish the problem,” he said.
- i’m super excited to see this same strategy with no changes fail a second time XD
Can vouch for Michigan, writing was on the wall as far back as 2023 when the Gaza thing started.
Although I think it still would have been close, Detroit auto was not happy with Biden handing out free money for layoffs.
First, I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting that the volume of protest votes would have impacted the Electoral College.
Doesn't matter. They voted not knowing if they were going to be the deciding factor or not.
all this infighting does little to hold the Democratic Party accountable for running a campaign that encouraged people to literally stay home.
They ran a cleaner, less hateful campaign which focused way more on policy than the Republican's campaign.
It's not the campaign that's the issue. It's stupid Americans voting against their own best interests because they fell for propaganda and because they always hold the Democratic party to a higher standard. The brunt of the blame lies squarely on the American electorate. Our government is a reflection of our ignorant electorate.
- They ran a cleaner, less hateful campaign which focused way more on policy than the Republican’s campaign.
  And a much more hateful campaign than the same party’s campaign four years ago. Feel like leaving that out invalidates everything else you are trying to push.
It's the fault of these idiots. Not the Democratic party.
- fault doesn’t matter. what matters is influence. the democratic party has SO MUCH MONEY to use for influence, and they used all that influence to basically make the perfect case to voters to conclude that they might as well stay home.
  their conclusion was wrong of course, but to the working class american, that’s the image that was successfully projected into their minds.

Hey Kamala, just say Genocide bad ... just once, you don't even need to action it, we all know politicians lie as easily as breath. Just once and you make history.

The walking special K ad throwing salutes is the result of protest votes not the continuing genocide. Palestine would burn under either administration.

Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, that should tell you ALL you needed to know
- Yet Biden continued to put Israel over America...
  And Kamala pledged to be the same as Biden.
  So why aren't you blaming them for continuing to support a genocide even though literally every poll said it was going to get trump elected?
- Exactly what freaked me out in the later months of 2023. He wanted to tank Biden, the guy sending billions, because the next guy would be worse.
Maybe, maybe not, but either way now we have a situation where anyone who's not a white+male+cis+het+christian just got a big target painted on them in no small part due to those protest votes and the push to have democrats stay home.
- Democrats didn't stay home, that's pure cope. They failed to swing undecided voters.
  I totally agree that voting in your broken system is just harm reduction at best; but Kamala could have walked it in if that was the goal.
So , like always, the problem is made worse because single issue voters lack the mental capacity to think about more than one thing at a time.
- If you think the Dems were only a bad choice on a single issue then you might be interested in this bridge I have for sale.
- single issue voters
  I hate how people see a single criticism about the topic at hand and claim that's all someone has issues with...
  Like, it just makes no rationale sense, and when someone does start listing multiple reasons, they get screeched at because it's off topic.
  I just legitimately don't understand how people don't understand and legitimately believe what you just said...
  But here we are again.

If only they'd put this much effort into getting one person to change her mind on the issue, instead of trying to get 10 million people to change their morals.

It appears especially ghoulish now after it came out that even her campaign's polling showed that it was a losing position.

Morals are morals, but they shouldn't be completely uncompromising
In this case we had the status quo on one side and on the other, someone who was itching to throw the dial to 11 across the board.
At this point, any blood spilled as on their hands just as much as the DNC.
- What status quo was there when Dems allow the rollback of everything even when they're in power without even the suggestion of a fight? Unless you mean the status quo of everything continually getting worse under either party's admin.
- Some moral stances cannot be crossed. Like supporting genocide is a line the globe has generally agreed should not be crossed.

Wow if only there were something the candidate could have done to attract those voters. Guess we'll never know.

Yes, keep blaming the voters and not the democratic party and candidate who repeatedly refused to give them a reason to vote for them. Blaming the voters will definitely win us the next election.

refused to give them a reason to vote for them
If stopping fascism isn't enough of a reason for you to vote Dems, that's a you problem and not a them problem.
- If stopping fascism isn’t enough of a reason for you to vote Dems, that’s a you problem and not a them problem
  If stopping fascism wasn't enough of a reason for Biden and Kamala to stop supporting a genocide...
  Maybe they weren't the right candidates?
  I don't get why so many people think voters always have to adapt their values to an existing politician, rather than getting a politician who agrees with voters....
  Like, how fucking evil would someone have to be to risk trump taking over America rather than not supporting a genocide?
  Take Biden and Kamala's name off it, and just how the fuck can someone say that hypothetical person would be a good president?
definitely win us the next election.
How quaint, you think there's going to be a next free and fair election at this point.
- What do you mean "next"?
  America has never had free and fair elections.
  As evidenced by the cases of Bush v. Gore, Wilding et. al. v. DNC Services d/b/a DNC and Deborah “Debbie” Wasserman Schultz, and the lack of a viable anti-genocide candidate during last year's election.
You still think there will be a legitimate next election. Amazing.
- That still leads to the question of what's the point of blaming voters for the democratic party's failure.
By not voting for genocide, they cost us the election! /s
Fuck that. No more being conciliatory, non-voters need to be ashamed of themselves. Shame has its place. Every non-voter knew about Project 2025, and then made the clear-eyed, full-chested decision to be complicit with every single consequence of a Trump victory. They need to be humbled, to feel deep shame, to be wracked with literally physically painful guilt, and to change their ways. If you're a non-voter you can work your fucking ass off for absolution, throw 110% into volunteering and activism to undo some of the mischief and horror Trump is working on vulnerable people, or you can go straight to Hell. No mercy for collaborators or quislings.
- Every non-voter knew about Project 2025
  I think you're letting conversations online distort your understanding of the actual public.
  Most people were not aware Biden had dropped out. Hell, most people who didn't vote have been chronically checked out -- they decided a long long time ago that it either didn't matter or wasn't worth the effort. Most people have no clue what Project 2025 is. That's something only news junkies know about.

The Protest Vote Paradox™

As we’ve all read time after time in the months leading up to the election, the Protest Vote™ simply states states that:

“We refuse to vote against a Tyrant-Felon in order to send a clear and concise message that we will not stand for [roll D20 for random popular single issue], and alongside our refusal to vote against the Tyrant-Felon, is a collective hope that the aforementioned clear and concise message- if ignored, is received under unmitigated duress!”

-Cut to Tyrant-Felon’s win, and the aftermath:

Wether observed or not, the behavior of the Protest Voter will attempt to achieve the following:
\ • Obnoxiously tell everyone “We told you all what would happen!”
\ • Claim there is “No way protest voting could cause trump to win.”

As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true in the same reality without breaking important time-space things that we would probably prefer not be broken- we are left with only a few logical conclusions:

Protest voters have no idea what they’re talking about.
Protest voters don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.
Protest voters have somehow learned to defy reality and become exempt from the concept of paradoxes, thus creating an entirely new study of theoretical science, known as Bulletproof Symbiotic Hypocrisy Theory, or BLsHt.

Something, something, something Ted Talk.

You forgot that they will also claim that it is the fault of the opposition to fascism party that they didn't "convince them to vote for them" even though they had already made up their mind ages before the election even started that they would never vote for the opposition to fascism party because they don't actually care about [popular single issue] or stopping fascists. They just want to feel like special little snowflakes who are part of the "revolution" and want to see the whole system destroyed and the violence that goes along with it because they're simply bored.
See the other reply for a perfect example.
- What opposition? The Democrats helped pass the Laken Riley Act. Schumer is calling for bipartisanship. Biden told Trump, "Welcome Home." The only people who didn't go to the inauguration and clap like seals are AOC and Bernie Sanders, and one of them isn't even a Democrat. They're not opposition. They're collaboration.
If you vote for quick genocide or slow genocide you are still voting for genocide
If you vote for the lesser evil, you are still voting for evil. I am sorry that your morals are so bankrupt that you're willing to let your own country murder hundreds of thousands of people in cold blood and not care.
Lets not rewrite history and pretend that Biden/Harris were good for Palestinians. They vetoed every single ceasefire that came up, and were the only country to do so.
They lost this election themselves by not listening to their base. The fault started and remains and ends with the establishment democratic party
- If the options are evil and lesser evil, you are morally obligated to choose lesser evil. There is no neutral stance. If you didn't vote for the democrats, you strengthened the republicans. Don't call people morally bankrupt when you don't know what you're talking about. The US will regress into autocracy and people like you are partially responsible.
- Lmao. If you're looking for someone to blame look in the mirror honey.

FAFO! Big time. Bunch of idiots. They do not understand that Israel has the USA by the balls and this has been going on since the USS Liberty.

We told them so.

^ The entirety of the DNC's losing platform.
- Yeah, but, we literally told them so.
  Blame the DNC if you want if it makes you feel better.
  We told them so and they still made a stupid decision. That makes them dumber than the DNC.
- See this doesn't really work when they are the one's that lost...
- You know, I’ve seen FAR more leftists and third party vote wasters saying this than I ever see democrats saying it.

Dem cheerleaders are blue maga.
Nah.
Personally, I'm someone who accepts that for the foreseeable future only two parties matter and has been paying attention for multiple decades and actually bothered to look up both party's voting history and know, as a fact, that Dems frequently vote in favor of the middle/lower classes, that our economy is always healthier under them, and that our rights are more secure.
So when it comes down to voting I always champion them because the only other viable option is fucking awful in comparison and I'm not stupid enough to waste my vote on a fantasy scenario that simply won't happen.
- Now is the time. We've been selling this two party, lesser evil thing, my entire life. If you never make the leap you never get change.
- So how do you make something happen if every person just says nah it can't happen?
  I'm pretty sure every major invention and advancement came because people said it can happen
  No one thought the divine right of kings would end. But people got mad and changed it. It's not even like we don't have examples of better systems running concurrently with us. Having multiple parties is not that strange, almost every civilized country has it.
  So if you keep sitting there saying this is the way it's always been, so I won't change, then yell st people trying to make change, you're just being one of those people who hold everyone else back.

Reminder that the West Bank is the one that's not even ruled by Hamas and hasn't attacked Israel. If Israel tried to do this under Harris, no doubt weapons would've been cut off and the US might have even favored sanctions.

Lol why? Gaza is illegally occupied too.
Thousands of dead babies wasn't enough for her or Biden. Rafah was a red line apparently and now Rafah doesn't exist
- "Legality" in this situation is completely irrelevant. The only law that would limit Kamala is the laws of politics. If she opposed intervention in Gaza, this would be the political equivalent of a frontal assault against a battleship. She'd be accused of helping Hamas, a bipartisan bill would be passed undoing whatever she does against Israel, and she'd be endlessly attacked by all sides in the media. If she opposed Israel annexing the West Bank, only the most extremist zionists would be against her on it for the reasons I stated.

"Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"

Democrats are mentally incapable of even considering the possibility that their losing to Trump two out of the three times they've ran the exact same campaign and candidate is their own responsibility. No, it must be the checks notes people who wanted them to be a little more critical of killing Arabs who are responsible. Wonder who you'll blame when Trump inevitably runs for a third term and you decide to copy/paste your campaign strategy and candidate because you've learned abso-fucking-lutely nothing. I'm betting "people who don't worship trillionaires enough", because we'll have some by then.

You think they actually gave a shit.

Palestine was just the latest version of "The Issue"

Someone they can make their entire personality to make themselves look good.

Ah yeah people just were being dramatic and standing on such a small, unnecessary issue. It was only genocide
We should have been focusing on the price of eggs instead
- I know what you're trying to say. But if you genuinely think that allowing someone who will do more genocide is a viable protest. Then I have to question who you are as a person, and also how the hell you're able to use a computer.

happy Stein cicada noises

I’m surprised we haven’t sortied any B-52s to carpet bomb Palestinians yet tbh

You act like this wasn't a sure thing either way but I get it blaming voters is easy.

And we can all for a second remember the fact Trump basically said they meddled in Pennsylvania, what's the chance the richest people in America if not the world could afford to steal an election.

If we don't give the nation of Israel full control of the region, then we can't fulfill the prophecy to bring end times!

Why are you so concerned with "protest voters"? If every third party vote went to Democrats, Harris still would have lost.

It's way easier to blame a small amorphous group of people, but why don't you focus on winning? Harris got 6 million fewer votes than Biden. Do you think all those people stayed home because of Palestine?

Take this energy and put it towards something useful. Ignoring all the facts so you can punch left is pathetic.

It's more about the people who didn't vote at all.
- Isn't that just non-voters? Not voting is viewed by literally everyone as "don't care", not a protest.
- Those aren't "protest voters", are they?
  Again, Harris got 6 *million" fewer votes than Biden and lost by 2 million votes. If you really believe that's because of Palestine, then you should be asking Harris why she didn't support Palestine.
  But no reasonable person could think that Harris lost because of Palestine. So why is this such a big focus for liberals, instead of something that matters?
  If winning in 2026 and 2028 doesn't involve punching left, are you even interested?
- It's more about a trash system with trash candidates where most people's votes don't matter at all.
If every third party vote went to Democrats, Harris still would have lost.
Lol. This argument is so stupid.
Those fools voted not knowing if they would make the difference or not. And in other elections, it has.
They don't get a pass because their idiocy ended up not being the deciding factor.

~~Prrotest voters~~ Democratic party

As you can see by this thread, Democrats haven't learned their lesson. They'd rather "own the libs" and vote for genocidal capitalist who'll only be more effective at maintaining the already fascist status quo. They prefer fascists who hide it, not show it.

It's nice of you to leal to Israel but that's not what I was referring to.

There's other policies that the Democrats could have absolutely pushed for. For instance reinstating the protection plans under the American relief plan that they allowed to expire in 2022. You know the thing they said massively reduce child poverty only for it to go immediately back up when those protections ended. I feel like that would have been a great place for the Dems to start. We're talking basic fucking things like a Band-Aid fix on Healthcare would be enough to mobilize the base but they're not even willing to do that. Kamalas pathetic approach to Home Care was to give first-time home buyers $12,000. This is stupid because nobody can afford a house or get the mortgage for the house because the banks aren't satisfied with their debt to income ratio. Nothing about dealing with rent nothing about promising that linacon would stay on. Nothing about dealing with that internet driven rent demand bullshit from that company called real price. These aren't leftist points either just broad liberal points.

Yeah. You're right honestly, it was too much to ask the Democrats to stop funding and arming a genocide. It's not their fault at all, no sir no way. It's the fault of the Palestinian Americans who refused to vote for people committing genocide against their communities.

Youre so smart. So principled. You know exactly who's fault this situation is. It's those damn Palestinians not wanting to vote for people arming genocide against them. How dare they.

The democrats had no choice. They HAD to keep committing genocide against Palestine. Poor Joe, he felt so bad for the Palestinians whenever he signed off on the next missile shipment to Israel. :( He even shed a little tear each time. The poor boy he just had no choice he had to keep arming genocide. He really felt so awful about it the whole time 😔 he'd sometimes even forget that it was happening at all and then remember and feel bad all over again.

It's so normal that you blame the Palestinian Americans who wouldn't vote for people arming the genocide of their people. Yup. There's NOTHING the Democrats could've done differently. You should just keep on defending them forever. You know what, you should do one even better and support them as they continue to slide to the right. Instead of fighting for the party to change, you should continue to blindly support them even as they support the indiscriminate slaughter of starving Gazan children.

I should hope the /s isn't needed here. I'm so fucking tired.

It’s the fault of the plaestinian Americans who refused to vote for people committing genocide against their communities.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that by doing so they made the situation WAY worse. Like a kid that gets mad and just ends up making things worse for themselves.
There is no reality in which the U.S. gives up Israel as its most important ally in the Middle East.
So the options were to minimize the damage, or go wholesale on letting it get worse. They chose the latter. Not very smart.
But hey, at least they can feel vindicated in their heart of hearts as they watch Palestine reduced to ash from the comfort of their homes in America.
- Yeah mhm you're so right. Demanding that the party that's supposed to be progressive stops committing acts of genocide against their people was so childish of them. How dare they. Yup. It's totally not the fault of the democratic party for continuing to commit genocidal acts, nope no not at all never they're always in the right, actually. We really need to defend the poor leaders of the democratic establishment 😔 they only had a whole 13 months to stop committing acts of genocide by arming and funding genociders. Those damn Palestinians, it's their fault that the democratic party had to keep committing genocide against them. If only they hadn't complained so much about being genocided. 😡
  /s though again I should hope it isn't necessary
  Yeah. I don't think the democratic party would have stopped arming the Israeli military if they had won the election. There is no evidence of that whatsoever. Gaza is so utterly destroyed it is hard to comprehend.
  It is extremely gross of you to blame the outcome of the election on a minority of a minority ethnic group who refused to vote for people who were actively involved in committing genocide against their community. That's just the most wildly inhumane response to this situation possible. Nah, it was and continues to be the fault of the democratic leadership who committed themselves both to genocide and to a move to the right. You might as well become a Trump supporter if you want to blame minorities for everything. They hate Palestinians, too. You'd be right at home.
- You seem to really dig victim blaming...
It isn't needed because lemmy is literally full of the type of idiots who will never understand not sucking democrat dick doesn't mean you're automatically gobbling the conservatives, so they don't let a simple thing like sarcasm cloud their godlike omniscient knowledge of society. Your /s is not needed like a cherry wouldn't need to be placed on top of an ice-cream in order for the lemmy flies to wait for it to be eaten and shat out in order to pounce on the feces and gorge themselves. They would do it anyway, it's in their nature.
- Holy undecipherable nonsense Batman! We’ll need a cryptologist to unravel that mess of a paragraph!

BlueMaga is a psyop and never existed.

Ok so attacking the people who are on your side does what exactly?
- Ok so attacking the people who are on your side
  Are they?
Man I wish I was less literate so this would make more sense.
You're cishet and white, aren't you?

Except...

The same thing would have happened with Harris... Harris fully supported Israel's genocide.

There's degrees of support. Trump restarted the export of certain types of munitions while the Biden admin refused to condemn the genocide, they didn't act in support of the colonization of the west bank or publically encourage the Israeli government to depopulate Gaza.
Obviously neither option was good and genocide is bad, but one option probably would have resulted in slightly less loss of life than the other.
- How did Biden not support the Israeli apartheid and genocide?
  Like, he was still supplying the genocide, and still voted against all UN actions to halt Israel's genocide and colonialism....
But it would have been the first time a woman of colour would have pushed the genocide button. That's progress.

Are y'all still fucking crying about a demographic that was too small to change the result?

Since y'all failed on your own and will probably continue to do so maybe try joining us next time! Our moment offers real change, honestly I think you'll like it far better.

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- Show me how Kamala could've won the presidency if all the third party voters swapped to her.
You fucked up this bad and want us to join?
No.
- They're so eager to have us join their cause, yet when we asked them to take a single day out of their lives to defend the basic human rights of minorities in the US, they said "Too much trouble."
- I have no idea what this is about because it's not in a thread. Perhaps I missed how to link context.
  If you mean joining .world, no. I don't want that.
What change are you offering? Real question. Because I don't see Dems lifting people up. Maybe a college loan gift, if you're lucky. Nothing else in the real world.
So you’re saying that protests votes don’t work?
- No vote "works" if you don't have enough of them. It's kinda the defining feature of voting.
  What definitely doesn't work is trying to force voters to choose between "crumbling, already bad status quo" and "rapid fall into fascism" over and over. It's just not a great motivator.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qBYmyYK4Kcg

You liberals through your arab people under the bus to save yourselves. You had the power to demand a better candidate and help others, but instead you put your own privileges and rights over that of the arab people. Those of us who protest voted did so while standing in solidarity with Palestine. Those of you who voted for Kamala, and are now blaming protest voters, effectively spit in the face of arabs to protect yourself. You told them that your life is worth more than theirs and you are now blaming them for the consequences you brought on yourself. You vote for the Democrats time and time again despite them moving more and more right and you expect change. Voting for the lesser evil just makes the lesser evil more evil. You reached the end where now people aren't even okay with voting for the lesser evil. You didn't push for real change and are now blaming minorities and the people who stand by them for not wanting to play your game anymore.

I do not care if you voted for Kamala. I don't think the people who voted for Kamala are bad people. I understand why you would vote for Kamala. I think you are a bad person if you voted for Kamala and are now trying to blame and shame minorities and the people who stood with them in solidarity for why Trump got elected.

Let's take a peek at how it's going for the Arab people under a Trump presidency
Oh. Not so good.
- You are victim blaming, congratulations.
Ah yes, the good old "If Israel is going to genocide Palestinians, it's only fair that America genocides ethnic and gender minorities"
Give yourself a round of applause for being a fascist supporter.
- Why are you more angry at 1 person voting their conscious than you are at party leadership that had polling showing trump would win in August, yet still did nothing to turn approval around?
- You're the kind of person that would sell out your jewish neighbors during the holocaust to save your own skin.
A lot of words for not having a valid point. If you didn't vote blue, you voted for trump.

Good to see in memes that the devide an conquer stategy works even after the election. /s

We are divided. We should stop being divided and vote for someone who advances working class representation.
- That hasn't been a choice since before the '80s.
- Or if that option isn't available, the person who at least won't let the country devolve into an outright oligarchy faster than it already is.

Imagine believing, after more than a year of unfettered genocide, that the other huge zionist was any better.

Libs are really losing it, Hiding out in these wacky meme bubbles.

Libs are really losing it
It's hard not to when you live in a society stupid enough to put an anti-democratic felon rapist insurrectionist in the Oval Office....twice.
It's almost like the Israel/Palestine issue was completely irrelevant to the election since there were only two choices and both treated it the same. Yet only the Democrat candidate lost votes over it. Funny how they worked. It's almost like someone engineered it
- Dems lost votes because they count on votes from the very people they are genocide, or votes from people very opposed to supporting genocides.
  The GOP didn't, because they don't count on those votes.
  It's not "engineered" it's a matter of respecting your voters.

So Israel is continuing what they are already started under Biden just as unopposed as under Biden? The length these types of bitter democrats will go to do their genocide apologetiks is amazing.

That is literally what people tried to tell you and others before election day. Israel would be supported no matter who was in power so don't base your vote on that.
Are you even a little upset about everything else Trump is doing right now? Like finding every way he can to oppress queer people with executive orders in less than a week? When they start getting loaded into boxcars, will you just stand there and say you told them to vote third party and this is what Harris would have done to them as well?
- No, you told us it would be worse, but so far it's obviously not in Gaza. Would it be nice if Biden put his foot down in May?
  They came for the Palestinians... Politicians in democracies responds to the demands of there constituency and you said that you did not care.
  At the end of the day, the point is mute anyways. Gaza did't swing the vote. The loss of the democratic was so complete and multifaceted that this sort of post is just mindless scapegoating with little attachment in reality.
I would have liked Biden to have vetoed less UN resolutions. We could have simply got out of the way and let the rest of the worlds diplomatic community push for progress.

Protest voters did not meaningfully effect the election, alt right youth did not meaningfully effect the election. This is divisive propaganda.

The demographics that voted for biden but stayed home in 2024 were older white men/women and hispanic men. Probably because of those groups beleive in "traditional" patriarchal values and machismo culture and didn't like voting for a woman.

Protest voters did not meaningfully effect the election,
So then there's no point in protest voting and next time around anyone who says to vote third party should be told this. That was your point, right?
- I mean the strawman you want to hate doesn't exist.
This is an ignorant take. Those morons did plenty of damage and there is no way to tell how many people didn't vote that would have had they not been manipulated my dipshits. If you didn't vote blue you voted red 🖕
- Lmao ok whatever your feelies are telling you
  there is no way to tell how many people didn't vote that would have had they not been manipulated my dipshits
  If you weren't a reactionary and used your brain you can easily figure out how many didn't vote.
  The people protesting the Gaza war were majority younger people, and younger demographics had the same turn out as every election, they didn't turn out for either canidate.
  The people who DO vote are older white people. And those groups had almost a 10% shift in turn out, along with hispanic men. And those groups don't give a shit about our wars.
Or that mail in voting was removed from most states.