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'Damning' New Poll Shows Price Kamala Harris Paid for Backing Israeli Genocide in Gaza

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Vice President Kamala Harris' refusal to break with the Biden administration's support for Israel's assault on Gaza cost her millions of potential Democratic voters. Will the Democratic Party learn from this and listen to its voters who want leaders to oppose sending more weapons to Israel? #Gaza #E...

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'Damning' New Poll Shows Price Kamala Harris Paid for Backing Israeli Genocide in Gaza

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'Damning' New Poll Shows Price Kamala Harris Paid for Backing Israeli Genocide in Gaza

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Kamala responded to her own voters' protestations about Palestine by dismissing them with "I'm speaking now..."
Well, in the end, it was the voters that spoke. And they sent her packing.
And the centrists who endlessly said, "Donald Trump will be even worse for Palestine!," we seem to now have a cease fire, even before Trump takes office. It looks like this particular genocide will be one that was entirely on Biden's watch.
- 75,000,000 people voted for Kamala.
  77,000,000 people voted for a guy who wants Israel to "finish the job" in Gaza.
  You only speak for yourself.
  
  It seems now that the genocide will be entirely on Biden's head. There's a cease fire deal that's been signed. And Trump winning probably did provide a lot of the impetus to get that deal signed.
  I despise Trump for other reasons, but when he said, "finish the job," he clearly meant, "wrap this up." You can interpret it as a call for total genocide, but that's your reading of it, not an objective good-faith reading.
  The truth is, in practice, Trump would have not been any worse than Biden on Gaza, even if the war had continued. Biden is already giving full US support to Israel. There's nothing that a president can give Israel that Biden isn't already giving Israel. I suppose a president could order US troops to directly participate in the fighting, but even Trump's not that stupid.
  The hard truth is that both Trump and Biden are the same on Israel. There is no meaningful difference between their policies. And Harris made clear she was going to have the same stance on Israel that Trump now will - full unconditional support.
  But anyway, it's most likely now that the deaths in Gaza will look something like this:
  Under Biden's watch: 100,000-200,000 killed in a coordinated campaign of extermination
  Under Trump's watch: a few hundred killed in random occasional spurts of violence while under a state of cease-fire.
  Historically, this genocide will be entirely on Biden's head. It's his genocide. Trump won't have that stain on his record.
  
  I immediately stopped reading after, "there is a ceasefire deal."
  Did you just start paying attention? Do you think this would be the first (or last) ceasefire that Israel breaks?
  
  I'm not reading all that.
  Touch grass.
  
  Touch grass.
  touch downvotes
  
  The gist is that we needed someone who would threaten the Palestinians with even more support for Israel to force them to the table.
  
  This deal is the same one Hamas agreed to since fucking May.
  Israel was the one that would continuously balk.
  They finally fucking agreed because Steve Witkoff went to Israel, demanded to see bibi, Bibi's aids tried to shove him off with a 'But it's Shabat'. Witkoff said ' I don't give a shit, and told Bibi to sign the fucking deal or the weapons and money would stop.
  That was always the fucking option.
  Israel is a client state of the US and wholely dependant upon us.
  This deal is because of Trump, and the genocide was intentionally prolonged by Biden.
  The worst person you know just did something good. The fact that you're so ignorant you blame the people that agreed to the peace deal almost a year ago tells everyone how ignorant and biased you are.
  EDIT: AmidFuror: 500 IDF soldiers died since this treaty was agreed to by Hamas. They died for nothing other than to kill more Palestinian civilians.
  Were their deaths worth it? How much do you value Israeli lives?
  
  I hear grass crying out to be touched. Trees crying out to be seen. Plants crying out to be smelled. A sun, desperate to touch skin.
  
  And how many voted to stay in the couch and support neither? Those anti-genocide votes were right there for the taking but the DNC wanted those sweet sweet AIPAC donations so badly they couldnt bring themselves to choose to win. They tried to cut it close and have their cake and eat it too. They failed. The noodle-backboned centrists failed us yet again.
- A ceasefire, how novel.
  The US negotiated one back in 2023, Israel immediately violated that one and claimed Hamas had done the same.
  Lets just see how the parties will honor this ceasefire.

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