They're been quiet for seventy days now.

Can’t we just return him to South Africa? We don’t really want him either

Elon is from South Africa. Also, if we could control them, they wouldn't be billionaires.

They're untrainable and we can't get rid of them. They're just like the thump thump thump from that one song.

If you don't spend your time perpetually online, they are pretty silent.

After the election, what's left to say about third party candidates who everyone knew wouldn't win, including the people who voted for them?

And do what, canvas when there's no election and get even more doors slammed in your face.

Yeah the green party isn't campaigning in the off season, but neither are Republicans or democrats because nobody cares. Half the people only pay attention to politics the week before the election.

Green/PSL voters are literally posting in this thread. Maybe you have confirmation bias.

Yeah man, like 3 people on lemmy are the ones who TURN THE TIDES on elections

My god, the insanity is real.

Nor I.

If they're legitimate users, I expected them to continue to exist, occasionally commenting on memes and cat pictures and whatnot like the rest of us.

I assure you they do, they just aren't saying "Fuck Harris vote for this cat instead" on cat pics, because that would be insane.

Edit: Upon reflection, the cat is likely the best candidate.

I've been around, commenting on stuff! Which specific users are you talking about disappearing? I'd love to see actual evidence for this conspiracy theory!

Do you have all these usernames memorized or something? How can you be so certain they are "entirely gone"

You voted for somebody complicit in a genocide. You call that intelligent? Do you think it becomes intelligent because 70+ million other people also did it? Real "if everyone else jumped off a bridge" moment.

I've historically voted 3rd party. This past election i voted for a party that did not represent me or the policies I support, all out of fear of orange man. What did compromising my values do? Fuck all.

Voting 3rd party in America sends the message to the losing party that if they wanted that vote there is policy they need to adopt. There are things they need to change.

Issue in this election is even if every 3rd party vote went to kamala, she would have still lost, because they ran THAT MUCH of a terrible campaign. Their message was tone deaf. It was generic and lifeless. I could have been a better campaign manager for them and frankly that's sad.

People get pissy when you criticize dems, but the fact of the matter is they are very much the problem in this country too. Saying they aren't as bad as Republicans only speaks to just how awful they are, not how good dems are. Until people recognize this and demand change everyone is going to be stuck supporting one of two evils or maybe a 3rd party can steal enough support to replace one of the main 2.

All that hinges on trump not going full dictator. At this point I don't have confidence enough Americans would actually stand up to stop him.

Told you so?

You just perfectly described the ‘leftists’ who sat home instead of voting for Harris.

Maybe thats the point. Wheres the discussion, the coalition?

Yup, but most likely it'll be crickets until a month or two out from the next election when they'll turn on their shiny lights and attract all the assholes that think showing interest and voting for a 3rd party right before an election, and only right before an election, is actually going to do something.

Yeah, like the brainworm anti-vax guy that's now going to be in charge of our health as restitution for siphoning voters from Dems.

"Yes, but as a strategic move, give up on controlling the most important single office in the country."

Perot won 19% in 1992. Why has the trend inverted?

Cough, "DarkFuture", cough, replying to every single comment in this thread, cough

I mean, yeah, sure. There's a lot of fucking scumbag MAGA people. There's also a lot of people who pay almost no attention to politics at all and have a lot of problems.

Quick! In one sentence, summarize Kamala's campaign pitch. If you did it without mentioning Trump or Biden, I'm impressed, good job, I'm pretty interested in what you came up with. Now, do Trump. Probably something stupid like "you'll be winning so much" or whatever, right? If you knew nothing at all about politics, which one sounds better? For someone who isn't paying attention, maybe distrusts all politicians equally (for better or worse), probably Trump's. Of course, he's going to be fucking catastrophic for anyone who isn't a billionaire, but I'm just talking campaign pitches. The point is that the democrats need to take this opportunity to get their shit together and start working on a better pitch than "not Trump".

That’s what I get stuck on every time. Yeah, the democrats are useless and need to make big changes. They carry a lot of blame. But it’s not just people being fed up with their useless asses. The voters turned out in big numbers to vote FOR Trump. We expected the results to take a long time and be contentious again, but the morning after Election Day his victory was already clear.

It’s just… sad? Discouraging?

A sloppy dog shit should have won against him.

Which is why I maintain that it's the DNC's fault. Trying to win by asking voters to vote against someone is a dog shit strategy with a dog shit track record. In fact, in a lot of regards, Kamala's campaign was run pretty similarly to Hillary's. For me, the chief similarity is that they tried to rely on fear and shaming and celebrity appearances (by the second half of the campaign) instead of offering an impactful policy slate. To boot, I seem to recall that a lot of team Hillary ended up running Kamala's campaign, so I guess it's not too shocking that they muzzled a lot of her left leaning ideals and basically ran Hillary pt II. One would have hoped that they would have learned anything from '16 besides voter blaming, though. I'd like to point out that Kamala gained the most ground in the first half of her campaign when it was about excitement, when people were hopeful that she'd have some progressive policies and before it was known that her policy plank was the basic centrist corporate democrat plank.

It also didn't help that they pretended and insisted Joe was fine all through the primary, so we didn't get one, insisted he was fine and we just didn't have any choice but to vote blue after Joe blew his legs off and bled all over the debate stage for 90 minutes on national TV, and only started leaning on him once the really disastrous poll numbers started rolling in.

100% unironically it is the voters who are wrong.

Yup. We just had the most obvious election we're ever likely to experience and voters still managed to drop the ball. You can place blame on Democrats, and some of it would be justified, but the blame primarily lies on trash ass American voters. We are AWFUL at voting. We are AWFUL at informing ourselves responsibly.

Well, that's one take. I've worked around a lot of rural Republican voters, and they're probably some of the most heavily propagandized people on earth. There's such a a knowledge and information gulf there by design, it's going to take something huge to break people out of it. True story, I attempted several times throughout my life to get a fair understanding of the situation in Israel, always coming up sort of befuddled except that police states are something I take at face value as bad. This last year has cleared the befuddlement, but feeling good that I had a fair assessment of things before then felt nearly impossible, even with a semi-concerted effort, because of how much bullshit there was on all sides.

But, I'd wager you don't need republicans. Trying to flip republicans is moot. They should be trying to get no-voters.

Absolutely tremendous brain energy

I simply voted for the person opposed to genocide. This isn't actually a democracy, so it's not like my vote mattered anyways.

Don't tell them they're taking the wrong action, tell them they're taking the right action at the wrong time.

The key to getting more 3rd party support is to start 4 years ago, right after the last major election. The second best time to start is today, right after a major election. The WORST time to start supporting a third party candidate is right before a major election in a swing state with no party presence. Tell them to get to work. They won't get to be another major party, and they won't change the electoral system, but they can scare a major party into adopting one, maybe two of their policy positions. Sorry but that's just the best you can hope for if you're trying to change the system by voting.

They're children that can't grasp that you can't just cheat code your way to a 3rd party president. Work actually has to be done over a long period of time before that reality becomes possible.

But children don't have patience.

A true revolutionary I see

Does she still hang much with genocidal autocrats, psychopaths and christofascists?

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/flynn-putin-dinner-payment-security-clearance-photo/

Posting on social media? So you think just yapping on twitter is enough for her to earn votes?

Name something she’s actually done.

America is committing genocide, but also, liberals are just fearmongering when they say a Trump regime will lead to genocide.

The problem is the actual voting system. First Past the Post actively punishes Third Party voters. Which leaves us with a choice between the status quo and a party that wants to make shit worse.

Now, the status quo isn't all that good, but is distinctly better than the alternative. But that's it.

To get something actually better, we need to change the voting system itself. Ordinal voting systems always result in some form of two party dominance. So we need something different. A Cardinal voting system.

There are two main choices. Approval, which has been used off and on in real world elections for at least a thousand years. Most notably for the election of the Pope for several centuries before the process was corrupted by wealth and nepotism.

The other option is STAR, a voting system designed in 2014 meant to address the problems with other voting systems.

Jill Stein received less than 1% of the vote. Scapegoat someone else**'s voters.**

You cannot quantify how many people stayed home, nor their reason for doing so, but I did just quantify how many people voted third party. Everything else is conjecture.

You're right that proportional representation (PR) would better reflect diverse political views, but RCV can still be a step toward breaking the two-party dominance. It lowers the barrier for third-party and independent candidates by reducing the "spoiler effect" and encouraging broader support. Ideally, combining RCV with multi-winner districts or systems like Sequential Proportional Approval Voting would create a more representative democracy.

Ranked choice voting still works with two parties by letting voters rank multiple candidates within those parties or include third-party/independent options. It helps ensure the winner has broader support, reduces "lesser of two evils" voting, and encourages more positive campaigning, especially in primaries.

I haven't liked any president in my life, no.

If stopping trump is so important, then why didn't democrats replace First-past-the-post voting with a more representative electoral system? So people could be free to vote how they wish, safe in the knowledge their vote would still be counted against Republicans if their preference didn't win.

More people voting statistically means more votes for democrats. Why are the democrats saying no to these easy votes? Where is the urgency?

What would you do for more then one chance to beat the Republicans? Would you campaign for electoral reform in your state like Alaskans did?

That's right, a state has already done away with FPTP voting. It's possible, as voting is controlled at the state level.

You have to admit that losing to Trump twice is fucking embarrassing, and it should destroy any notion that the democratic party should be the only poltical party to fight this fight. They have more then lost that privilege long ago.

The Democratic party is not more important then the United States of America. If only the DNC felt the same way...

It's really not hard to see why bss. It's plastered everywhere at this point. Both parties are corrupt and cater to corporate interests. They take legal bribes and hurt the working class as a result.

If you're truly not a bot or paid state actor, you've gotta be real hardheaded to stick to this take.

Comment and post history are basic functions of the platform. Everything you post is linked to your account. No one is wrong for sorting through that data.

Imagine simping for trolls

Noone said harassing or witch hunt, just figuring out who is a Russian bot

Don't be a removed, stand behind what you said.

Imagine putting words in someone's mouth because you can't argue against what they said without doing so...

It's weird that that doesn't sound ludicrous

Think he was the only blowhard leftist that was yelling at everyone to not vote democrat?

Lots of elections are not tied to the electoral college. Aren't there elected judges, sherrif, senators, etc, state level elections. Oh no it's useless if we can't have a 3rd party president win the next election. So we'll just keep hoping the nice billionaires win the next one. My province has been voting a party that only place people in our province and will never be in power. The rest of the country is often pissed off because we still manage to defend our values by being in the opposition.

Only because FPTP is hot garbage. Single Transferable Vote, Ranked Choice, etc are not incompatible with the Electoral College.

Why wouldn’t 3rd parties work in Congress? We already have caucuses and intra-labels like Blue Dog. Bernie still wears a D, as did Manchin.

I constantly see establishment Dems point to X as why we cannot change the voting/election structures, but rarely to never see the same voices agitate to change those same structures. The DNC and RNC like the duopoly, and actively defend it.

And while we're at it, why am I not hearing from harris every 15 minutes? It should be absolutely constant and inescapable for even the slightest respite after an election, and not only for the US but the entire world on social media should be inundated daily!

Have you actually checked her social media? I'm guessing no, because she is still posting?

Have you considered that your stance here, inconsistent with reality, is based on the Dem-pushed "they just pop up every 4 years" narrative, and indicates a lack of neutral analysis and fact-checking on your part? No?

The DNC at least can be reasoned with on many things.

Like having the world's most warmed milk Palestinian speaker at one of their conventions? There was a whole "uncommited" movement in Michigan that was 10,000% ignored.

Why bother announcing a block? Did you know you don't have to chant those words for the block to be effective?

Block me as well. Don't forget to wear your religious robes, burn incense, and speak the holy words of blocking!