Veilid

Veilid is a peer-to-peer network and application framework released by the Cult of the Dead Cow on August 11, 2023, at DEF CON 31. Seems more promising than I2P.

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And they use discord for comms.
- Hilarious. You can't make this shit up.
  
  https://veilid.com/contribute/
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  Pretty sure they are using discord because most people are familiar with it and it is easier to contribute to the project.
  
  Yeah I can't stand that whole cDc hackers.town thing they have going. Their mastodon is really very boring

I don't understand why they would rebuild TOR and IPFS. Why not build this into I2P or something?
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- Relevant XKCD https://xkcd.com/927/
  
  Yep, that's exactly what's happening here. And it just keeps happening. What's weird is they explicitly mention TOR and IPFS, then go on to just re-implement it. There's no mention of why.
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- @veilidnetwork@hackers.town I just watched the presentation on veilid and my question still stands: why rebuild TOR and IPFS?
  Also, as someone pointed out in the comments on the video as well as here, you say
  Stop being dependent on corporate systems
  yet you're on discord and twitter. Why aren't you eschewing those services? Discord can be replaced by matrix, signal (which also has groups), zulip, maybe even rocket chat! Gitlab is fine, but you could also be using radicle (granted, 2 years ago they weren't anywhere close to their current functionality).
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- Comparison between different protocol implementations.
  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQblAthXI99Z0SuzR3tjwkme3EiCNUJAmY09DjoW4aumNLxKz1xbSfsd4F2B40Qvj2uKrbnuGuiSngM/pubhtml
  
  Yeah, they can build on top of I2P. There's no need to rewrite all that stuff. They could've written something that glues everything together and reuse the existing nodes instead of creating yet another network.
  Also, I2P has implementations in Java (main implementation) and C++ (i2pd). A rust implementation would be great news.
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  discord and google docs. say no more

If we are talking about the most promising stuff, I will mention gnunet is basically replacing the entire internet using all the existing hardware. I think that is the end goal, but short term yeah, i2p and others are a great next step.

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