It is also just one of the worst cloud storage services compared to Dropbox or Seafile

Here's something that I think about that's weird. With onedrive, if you don't pay the subscription fee, they hold your files hostages until you do. That's called a business model, but when people hold their files hostage it's called ransomware. Weird how that works isn't it?
- I mean not providing a service because you stopped paying the cost your agreed to for the service is quite different from forcibly destroying random people's data if they don't give you as much money as you demand
  It's not like they remotely connect to your pc and wipe your hard drive if you don't pay up
  
  But they have control to your cloud files and they can and will lock those files from being pulled from the cloud
- Why is that weird? With self-storage companies, if you don't pay the rental fee, they hold your stored items until you do. That's calles a business model, but if someone breaks into my house and steals my items, that's called theft. It's not weird how that works because one involves signing a contract and you have say in the other.
  
  Ok. So let's say you're doing some heavy shopping and you're struggling with it. Items are falling all over the place, you can't keep it all in your hands, and you're scared you're going to lose an item. I walk up to you and say "Hey if you pay this miniscule amount, I'll help you out and hold on to the items for you. I could use my one hand to help you for free, but if you want both hands, then it costs you, but the items are still yours. You have proprietary right to the items, but if you start to pay, and then don't pay this one time, then I'm going to hold on to all the things I have in this one hand. Nothing is going to happen to the stuff. I'm not going to take ownership, I'm not going to resell it because I have looked at what you have and have gotten the exact same purchases. Just going to keep it so it so you can't have it until you pay me.
  How much sense does that make as a business model? Especially with companies that are getting plenty of money from other divisions where the service would be sustainable, but they just won't. Just need to get more and more money.
  In essence, capitalism already controls what you do with your personal data, we should all be upset about that.
  And with your storage argument, they should absolutely give you a window to remove your belongings before they lock it. I know way too many storage places that will lock your unit the day after your payment date was without notification because they can get quick cash if they auction units off, so most storage places don't want the individual to pay as long as the rest do pay. Their favorite thing to do is put payment dates on Thursdays. That way by Friday when the person doesn't pay, they can lock it, and it's inaccessible until Monday. That is some petty shit that businesses pull. The whole "civilized" system is set up to work against people with money problems. I won't go into detail of what I mean anymore than I already have, but all you really did was point out 2 problems to try and find a comparison against one.
  The biggest crooks I know of in my experience is cloud-share server owners, tow truck companies, and storage units
- Weird how consent works
- I’ve never seen this be the case.
  For the most part, the files still exist in the local filesystem unless one uses the “free up space” function to unload files to the cloud.
  Where users have ended a subscription, they have become unable to add content to the cloud storage, which is to be expected. I’ve never been unable to download a file, it effectively goes into read-only mode.
  
  I mean, if I was running a cloud provider I'd delete all your shit the instant you stopped paying me. So them providing the option for you to get your files by renewing your subscription is more than generous. Storage space costs money.

Fuck dropbox. Dropbox uses your data for AI training.
They had some backlash so now it's a toggle depending on your account.
Cancelled them immediately because I originally was using Dropbox to store personal information like tax and backup passwords. And now I know they can/will fuck you over for profit.
- & like probably every storage service the opt out toggle is an absolute lie
- Imagine using cloud services without encrypting your data.
  
  Imagine knowing about encryption and using a cloud service
  
  imagine not creating your own cloud service with encryption by default

✨Nextcloud Gang✨
- NGINX autoindex + Wget + SSH fuckery (a.k.a.: "Lazy turd solution")
  Idea:
  You can put files into selected directory for filesharing which will be used as root directory for NGINX. When you enable autoindex you'll get the classic directory listing you see on places like Linux ISO mirrors.
  That will be the file source.
  To download, you'll simply download from that autoindex page.
  Uploading is, uuuhh, creative.
  You have to also run NGINX server the same way on the upload side, either have them on same network or use reverse SSH forwarding, and then SSH into the machine you wish to upload to and download the files into it with Wget (or at least I use Wget) from the locally running server.
  Example config I last used on my phone as the upload side:
  
  daemon off; events {} http { server { listen 192.168.34.217:8080; root /storage/emulated/0/LibreTorrent/; location / { autoindex on; } } }
  Yes, the indentation, I know.
  
  I read all that then had the thought:
  Rclone does all this with like 1 command line, doesn't it? Recently was looking into synching my seedbox with my home media server and every guide was "use rclone and a script that detects when a file is added/removed to trigger the synch"
- My demands are smaller so I just do syncthing to a server

Considering one drive is just a pretty* front end for SharePoint. No shock it sucks.
*Pretty being relative compared to the horrors of SharePoint
- My workplace uses SharePoint and it makes me want to gouge my eyes out. Come to think of it, all the Microsoft Enterprise products have that effect on me.

I am so goddamned tired of all the bullshit “value add” stuff that is really just ways to engineer a captive userbase.

This thing breaks several of my video games. I thought I had gotten rid of it fully - but it seems to keep trying to default to it despite OneDrive no longer existing on that PC anymore.
- Things like these are why I insist in not having an email associated to windows.
  
  I'm starting to get a bit worried, is the linux clan sick? Where are they? They should have shown up no, right?
- Time to install Linux
  
  Ah yes, something that creates an even bigger headache for playing games is exactly what I need...
- Maybe you have not changed the documents/etc directory paths, OneDrive breaking games is completely new for me.
  
  There's a few games I play that have a launcher that lets you load mods before the actual game launches. The attempts to sync stuff in the doc folders runs into file locks while it doing stuff in that folder.
  I had it working without one drive. Then something updated and I had to go into the registry to get it working again.

There is a trend on Lemmy to hate on Windows, Microsoft etc. I get it, they deserve the flak. But I haven't had many issues with Onedrive in particular. Is it because Windows has it preinstalled and tried to get you to use it?
- The problem with onedrive is now when you visit your parents for tech support, all their important stuff is on the "hard drive called one drive", since Windows now just makes it look the same as a hard drive on your computer. And once that hard drive fills up, which will be pretty fast with default settings, then it starts asking them to pay money, or their important files will be lost... at their level of technical skill, that is basically the legal version of those scams that encrypt your files and then extort you to unencrypt them.
  For those of us who know what is going on, it's only a mild inconvenience. Just gotta put less agressive back up settings on and remove anything from onedrive that isn't needed. But think about what it's like for all the people who would get themselves into that situation and don't have someone that could fix it for them. They either pay onedrive the extortion money, lose those files, or take the computer to someone to fix it for a cost. Why make those the default settings? Why not even pop up like a selection of default settings with a short description of what to expect from each selection. But it would cost more money and generate less, so no matter how user-friendly it would be, the only way it'll happen is under court order.
  Edit: also for any of us that use windows professional, alot of these problems will seem foreign to us. Of course, all the predatory stuff is exclusive to windows home edition. That's the one where they are agreeing to have a bad time because it made the computer they bought in the store look cheaper than the one next to it.
- If it was turn on or off I'd be fine with it. But it's forced and even the default if you go to the backup app. All your local files are stored in a OneDrive folder with subfolders like desktop under OneDrive.
  If it had a standard API so I could use my NAS instead of MS cloud it would be amazing.
  
  All your local files are NOT saved in OneDrive by default wtf.
  You can create a local user account instead of a ms one when installing Windows, then there's no user OneDrive can log into and it doesn't sync shit. Furthermore, the local documents/etc folders point to your user's folder, not onedrive. Even of you fucked all of that up, there's tons of files both in your appdata folder and program configuration files that are not saved in OneDrive. OneDrive doesn't launch with a "backup everything in every folder" option by default, that's something that you need to opt in and enable after logging into it.
  Honestly, do better with your system before complaining. Also, you can create simlinks into network folders on your NAS as you mentioned to emulate whatever you want so idk what you mean by "it would be amazing", whatever it is you want to do with it, it already is "amazing" according to you for your use-case.
- My biggest frustration with OneDrive is in combination with Office (on my work PC). You browse to a local folder and save, but instead of saving it locally and syncing to the cloud, it saves to the cloud and downloads, and it is slow.
- I get the hate for Windows, but I have to agree with you on OneDrive. I've been using it for years since they started giving you a terabyte of storage with an Office365 subscription, and it's never caused me a single issue. It just works.
  
  Onedrive tries to take away access to your documents folder. The new one it creates is very difficult to use with a terminal
- Because it's constantly shoved on my face.
- I've found it to be unnecessarily complex, confusing, and tightly coupled with other microsoft products.
  I'm a consultant with several assistants. I really just want to sync a ~20gb folder with those assistants. This is easily achievable with dropbox or nextcloud for example, it works exactly as you'd expect.
  In onedrive it was always just a muck around. What is sharepoint and how is it related to onedrive? Why do different staff have access to different features in some folders but not others? How can staff create upload requests for clients? How do I avoid being notified about every change a staff member makes?
  I always felt as though I needed to have some kind of microsoft certification in order to address this very simple use case.
  I'm sure someone will be along in a moment to tell me how easy all of this is and how silly I am for not being able to address it. I don't care. I also think it's fair to point out that this microsoft ecosystem is incredibly powerful and the configuration issues I find frustrating are required for larger more complex organisations.
- That is a trend because 99% of Microsoft products are shit

It really, genuinely is.
I have to say, though, the increasingly desperate dark patterns Google is deploying to try to make me pay them for storage are getting up there these days.
The product itself is way better, but if I was going to pay to be subtly threatened with cyberpunk erasure I'm sure there are sexier options.
I'm fully going back to local storage/NAS now, even if it is significantly more expensive.
- I would love it if I could find out about the API so OneDrive runs but points to my local NAS instead of MS.
  That way I wouldn't have to worry about an update turning OneDrive back on.
  
  I would not, under any circumstances, want to rely on the toxic waste pool of a codebase that is OneDrive. I have to genuinely use it for work at times and it's randomly decided to forget crucial documents exist enough times I just want it gone.

You only have one drive? I have like 6
- What do you need 6 for?
  
  Uhh
  Mostly family pictures. Definitely not copyright infringement, that's for sure
  Even if I was a prolific pirate with hundreds of gigabytes of mostly decades-old anime across my several hard drives, I would never admit to it

I just wish Dark Souls 3 had Steam cloud support. Like, what the fuck? It's the only one that doesn't.

I work in marketing and have learned this the hard way: If you send news media orgs onedrive links to media content, they won't use it. The link rot sucks so hard and onedrive is so poorly designed, they simply won't use media from those links.

I read this in Hank hills voice

If it actually functioned as a separate storage space I'd love it. But it's actually a mirroring service to bring all your shit to a different computer. So you never actually get more space.

OneDrive isn’t really useful for consumer level so it being crammed down customers throats is dumb. It works great in an enterprise where you use multiple managed computers though. You always have the files you need because they aren’t stuck on the hard drive of a computer that you either aren’t nearby or that is getting re-imaged.
- I run a repair shop and work with consumers on a daily basis.
  I’ve had dozens of occasions where a client is about to be spending hundreds on advanced data recovery service, but I had them check OneDrive.com only for them to discover everything they cared about is already there.
  I’ve also had plenty of occasions where someone hands me their “backup” only for it to be a blank external drive that they plugged in and assumed would “just work”
  I would argue that Microsoft’s strategy is actually highly effective for getting tech novices connected to a backup solution that doesn’t add anything new to the to-do list. Windows Users really have to consciously go against the grain to end up paying for advanced data recovery services.