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The DNC is only keeping the far-right at bay, instead of actually stomping it dead for good.

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  • Similar to how Netanyahu's faction in Israel kept funding Hamas to justify their objectives on control of the state.

  • Cool, so next time we'll show up to support the Bernie-equivalent in the primaries unlike in 2016 and 2020, right?

    Right...?

    The constant refrain of "I don't understand why the Dem party is appealing to moderates when moderates win the primaries????" is immensely frustrating. And before the usual, predictable chorus of "RIGGED PRIMARIES" comes up, no, the DNC does not play fair, but that also doesn't mean they were stuffing the ballot boxes. They framed things in an anti-Bernie way, but that ultimately didn't matter because both times we lost by double digit percentage points against the fuckwad moderate candidate.

    Our 'elites' are dogshit, but the essential problem is that the American electorate is neither educated on the issues nor particularly left. That is where change starts, so get educating instead of wishing for BAD elites to be replaced by GOOD elites.

    • And before the usual, predictable chorus of "RIGGED PRIMARIES" comes up, no, the DNC does not play fair, but that also doesn't mean they were stuffing the ballot boxes.

      Rigged doesn't mean predetermined outcome, it means unfair odds. Claw machines are rigged. That doesn't mean you can't win a prize, but it does mean the odds that you'll win are very low.

      They framed things in an anti-Bernie way...

      That is a weird way to describe the Clinton campaign secretly taking over the party in 2015 and running the primary she was competing in. Here are excerpts from Donna Brazile's book, where she lays out exactly how Hillary took over the DNC. It's not the first time I've given you this information, but since you choose to ignore it, I'll keep sharing it.

      When the party chooses the nominee, the custom is that the candidate’s team starts to exercise more control over the party...When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain. When I was manager of Al Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.

      The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

      Officials from Hillary’s campaign had taken a look at the DNC’s books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt—$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign—and had been paying that off very slowly. Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.

      As Hillary’s campaign gained momentum, she resolved the party’s debt and put it on a starvation diet. It had become dependent on her campaign for survival, for which she expected to wield control of its operations.

      • Rigged doesn’t mean predetermined outcome, it means unfair odds. Claw machines are rigged. That doesn’t mean you can’t win a prize, but it does mean the odds that you’ll win are very low.

        Would you like to elaborate on the implications of 'rigged' in the context of a primary conducted by the votes of the electorate? Don't play dumb.

        That is a weird way to describe the Clinton campaign secretly taking over the party in 2015 and running the primary she was competing in.

        Again, none of that changes the core argument I'm making here. "The DNC was on Clinton's side", yes, we already knew that. "Here's evidence that the DNC was on Clinton's side!" Yes, we already knew that. That wasn't being denied. But hey, why take my word for it when your literal source sides with me!

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