Any Canadian's considering moving to the USA?

I went to the US for y2k , and was there for 5 years.
I came home with the exact same amount of money as I had when I left. And I also got a deep understanding for the absolute depths of cruel poverty in the US and for safety nets they don't have.
Do it. You'll never be the same, and you'll really appreciate Canada better.
- Nicely phrased.
- What did you do there, if you don't mind me asking?
  
  I continued the work to build and maintain the "one true Unix" ;-) and a Linux side project until we sued IBM so they destroyed us.
  So. Nerdy IT stuff that today we'd outsource and work remotely back here, but in 2k required working onsite in beautiful 2-person offices with closable doors, visual privacy, and a view of a happy groundhog most days.

We did it for four years. Washington state in the Seattle are is very nice. We met a lot of great people and we have fond memories.
Having said that it was clear early on this was not going to be permanent. Imagine taking your kids to the local park and seeing a sign that said no guns allowed in this park. Wait, guns are allowed in some parks? WTF. That was just a head scratcher. I found it genuinely hard to be in a place where I was decidedly middle class and so many people were so poor and with no benefits at all.
I remember once chatting with a cashier at the grocery store over the weeks as she was pregnant. One day I stopped seeing her and figured she had her baby. Two weeks later she was back. No maternity leave. She took her full two weeks of vacation and that was it. Shit.
Or the conversation I had with a cab driver who talked about still being in debt because his FIL was sick and avoided getting medical attention because none of the family had medical coverage until he had to be admitted.
The medical system is a confusing shambles of insanity. That's if you have good coverage. Once our daughter was sick and the childrens hospital directed us to a closer clinic. We went. There was a discussion about possibly admitting her but in the end she went home. A few days later she was worse so we ended up going to the children's hospital and she was admitted. Turns out the near by clinic was not in our medical coverage group and it cost us nearly $1000 out of pocket. Not fun but doable. The thing is, she was two nights in the hospital where we were covered. If we had admitted her the first day at the wrong hospital it would have cost us at least $10 000.
The whole system is a fucking nightmare of land mines and no one has any clue what any particular thing will cost you.
I just couldn't be happy under those conditions. Side note I'm not happy with the slide in equality here in Canada either BTW.
My job is in high tech and they pay was no better, just even. We lost money on selling buying houses, but that's just timing. I kept track of taxes paid. After medical expenses it was only a 5 percent savings and one medical emergency would too that the other way. Yes, I had great medical coverage.
- Yeah, I was in Oregon and had really good health insurance, but was always a bit terrified of actually ever using any medical services. It's so much less worrying to know that the emergency room won't ever cost you anything in Canada. That said, I'm sure if I did ever need it, it would have been fine.
  
  always a bit terrified of actually ever using any medical services.
  That's kinda the problem: in America, 'preventative' care is only talked about in past tense, like "wish he'd've gotten looked-at before it cost him his 401k AND house as well".
  No one goes for testing, no early warning.

I considered it and did an 8mo internship in Calafornia in 2016. While I would make about 2x what I make here (literally, I made 25CAD/hr in canada and 50CAD/hr in the states doing the same job with the same manager.) I don't think it's worth it for me at least. For one, the medical insurance is kinda insanely expensive, it ate up a huge chunk of the difference in costs while also not being nearly as good and making every trip to the doctors a huge worry and also a cost benefit analysis (and this was with very good, subsidized by my company insurance). I dislocated my shoulder in a biking accident while in Cali, I didn't go to the doctor because I thought it was just a sprain and the doctors would not be able to do anything (while costing me like 200 bucks). When I got back to Canada I got it checked out and they said it was too late to do anything but that it could have benefited from physio when it was fresh.
The healthcare as well as a hundred other factors has knock on effects where poorer folks are very noticeably worse off. Toronto has a lot of homeslessness, but I don't think Ive ever seen a homeless guy using a ruler as a splint on a leg bent the wrong way in Toronto. I don't want to live in a place that does that to people.
Lastly I found public transit to be even more of a joke than it is in Toronto, and as someone that never wants to drive daily that was kinda awful.
While I would probably be marginally more wealthy in the US, I would definitely be less happy, and have a dirtier conscious. I am pretty well off regardless and that was a while ago before the housing crisis in Canada really kicked off so maybe you'll reach a difference conclusion.
- Toronto has a lot of homeslessness, but I don’t think Ive ever seen a homeless guy using a ruler as a splint on a leg bent the wrong way in Toronto. I don’t want to live in a place that does that to people.
  This is a big part of why I don’t think I could ever live in the states. What a cruel place to live.
- The main thing driving me to look south of the border is the cost of housing. The cheaper housing might balance out the bad government services depending on the location.
  
  Cheaper housing is outside main city centers in both cases, you don't win anything if your housing is cheaper but you pay back the difference (and more) in healthcare coverage and scholarship (if you've got kids).

I lived in the US for a while. I knew people in the consular office in California who shared the stats on Canadian movement into and back out of the US. 75% of Canadian immigrants will repatriate within seven years. I was an over achiever, it took me 9.
There are advantages to being down there, but they are all centered in being childless and in good health. Everyone is one chronic illness away from bankruptcy. I was a post-doc at UCLA and my wife was a lawyer. The health insurance we could afford didn't allow us to get treated at the hospital I worked at. As a matter of fact we basically had to choose between preventative care and acute care because our policy wouldn't cover both.
The public school system has been so eroded it is basically useless, so you will have to use a charter school.
I enjoyed my time there, and California is a great place to be rich, but it gets much harder as you settle in and face actual adult life there.
- Boy that would be a terrible idea, as an American who had traveled a lot and is enduring a stint here until I get back to first world and safer second-world countries.

Hell no. Alberta is already too conservative/religious for me, I'm not going to go down to some theocratic hellscape to make more money.

Nope, double nope and, while we're at it, triple nope. Too much hate, guns, racism, inequality and I don't want to raise my kids there. If we had to relocate internationally, I'd rather go to New Zealand.

Do you love mass shootings or just hate having healthcare?

No way. I moved here from there (I'm Canadian now!) and every day I'm gladder I got out.
I'd probably make more money there, but there are things I value more than money and my life is significantly better in Toronto than it ever was in any of the three states I lived in.
- Exact same boat. US -> Canada. USA scares the shit out of me. Infinitely happier, even with the reduced buying power.
  
  I used to live in Wisconsin, close enough to Chicago to go on day or weekend trips often. I absolutely love Chicago, it's a great city to visit, but I'll never forget going to the Field Museum with my parents once and seeing signs warning against bringing guns into the building.
  The reminders that you live in a violent society are always there, even in the most innocent of places. I'd rather have to save up longer to buy a new laptop or only have good pineapple for a few months in the summer than live that way.
- What do you value more specifically about Canada?
  
  I'm not sure how to describe it beyond saying life feels a lot less confrontational here in Canada, even living in the largest city in the country.
  Obviously there are problems here, but it feels much more like an actual society than a collection of people who happen to live near each other.
  It's not even about healthcare or anything specific, those are just symptoms IMO. It's a larger philosophical difference between the countries

No way. Stronger dollar is enticing, but the pros dont outweigh the cons in my opinion. The tribalism of american politics, the lack of free healthcare, and the increased risk of gun violence are some of those cons. These alone absolutely kill any interest I might otherwise have in moving to America.
- The healthcare and gun violence are definitely big considerations for me too. If it wasn't for the constant onslaught of mass shootings, I wouldn't hesitate as much when considering between Canada and the US.

The real cheat code is to work for a US company (and get paid in USD), yet live in Canada (and have expenses in CAD).
- That's what I do.
  
  Any issues tax wise? I will be doing that starting in August.
  
  Do you get similar promotions?
- My bro's VPN stopped working from his Canadian office, and that was his first clue that he was being laid-off from his American company.
  I don't need the added cash and crushing worry. Lagom.

I live in a small town in Eastern Ontario and work for a company in California. I would never, ever move to the US. Ever. We have it so much better here in Canada.
- Cornwall?
  
  No. Smaller and west of Cornwall.
- What's better about here, in your opinion? What would compel you to consider moving in the United States?
  
  Workers rights. I insist that my contracts all say that they are governed by Ontario and Canadian Labour law. I have withdrawn my name from consideration more than once because they insisted on my contract being governed by one state or another's labour laws.
  Democracy. The fact that every citizen has the right to vote and equal access to the ballot box in non-gerrymandered electoral districts.
  Personal freedom. Canadians have much more personal freedom than Americans. Yes, they have hate speech and guns but we have so much more actual freedom than they do.
  Healthcare. You pay WAY more for health insurance in the US and even so they will deny everything and make you fight for it. I have a good friend who quit a job because their insurance company was denying all claims. My sister has osteoarthritis in her spine and needs surgery. Her surgeon is one of the best in the business. Her insurance company overruled her doctor and said that she should take physical therapy...for an irreversible, degenerative bone disease. Physical therapy for six weeks will cause her agony and worsen her condition.
  Guns. So many people who shouldn't have guns down there have guns. Gun bravery. Fear. Who needs an AR-15 to do groceries of buy coffee? They're terrified all the time and they're armed. That means they're dangerous.
  I could go on...

No, im really not. There is too much darkness, and too much hate.
The gun culture, "freedumb" insanity, and lack of basics such as healthcare make me view it fairly close to the third world. the only they thing have better there is more buying power.

No. The risks outweigh any possible benefits. If it's a red state then the risks are even higher in terms of quality of education, healthcare and employment.

Nah. Don't feel like being caught up in one of the 15 mass shootings per day where the government will try to brush it off and blame it on trans people.
I may be dirt poor in Canada, but at least my trans neighbour and I are both safe when we leave our places.

Thought about it very seriously for a long time. I did grad school for planetary science and there's almost no market for that degree in Canada. But in order to work in the US in the space program, you need permanent residency in order to even have a crack at getting security clearance.
Had $10k US set aside for the immigration lawyer. Started interviewing at new space startups in 2015.
Then I was in Seattle for an interview and it was too expensive to get a hotel near the company. Since I had a car rental, I took a hotel an hour south -- a roadaide hotel for $200/night. Can't be that bad for $200, right? Got there and it was kind of shitty. Being if an adventurous sort, I went outside and sat in front of my room in the evening and chatted with the locals -- the hotel was full of people on the dole for various reasons. Every single one of them was a republican. They all thought Obama was coming for their guns. They railed against anything socialist while, ironically, being the absolute dregs of society and we're wholly supported by said system. I couldn't understand it. This isn't the hip Seattle I was expecting...
Then 2016 happened and I said "hmm, maybe I'll wait." Then the child detention thing happened and I said "I kind of feel like I am trying to immigrate to Germany in 1936..." and I took a look at myself. I decided to use that money as a downpayment on a house in Winnipeg and start a scientific equipment business. I'm not making instruments for spacecraft, but close enough. At least I'm no von Braun.
- Very cool story. Thank you for sharing.

So background - Civil engineer with ~5Years of experience. Now fully licensed in Ontario. Have a wife and expecting our first child this year.
My FIL is dual and has been harping on me to move there since I graduated. Pay is, on average, much higher. Current 85k CAD, likely 100-120k USD if I moved.
However as a P. eng I'd need to rewrite two massive technical exams before I'd be able to be licensed there, and not all states have reciprocal licenses, meaning if we moved in the states I may have to rewrite them again. Additionally, with a family, average insurance costs eat up all/most of the difference in salary - my FIL is C-suite executive and that's roughly what he paid for his insurance yearly between co-pays and premiums.
Then add on more tribalism, high prevalence of guns, and the generally huge wealthy disparity they get, and Ive decided it's not worth the move.
But weigh the factors for yourself. If you can, try to go work somewhere for a month or so to see how it feels
- I wouldn't move unless I was paid at least double imo. The cost of living in the US is deceptive, particularly with kids.
  Education in the US is such a fucking stupid system and Canadian universities are exceptionally competitive (especially for research for e.g. grad school).
  Healthcare is even more stupid and even with pretty good insurance, the deductible+copay costs are crazy.
  Transportation is just strictly bad because of terrible urban planning in most cities.
  You end up working more hours, you will probably have to commute for longer, and the homeless problem is somehow worse (which I didn't think was possible).
  It's all solvable with enough money, but that isn't enough money to move.

nope. lol. Not unless my salary doubles, at minimum, and that's just to make sure I don't go bankrupt from healthcare. Actually fuck that, because if I get an injury that prevents me from working I'm still completely fucked. They're also notoriously anti union and worker rights are eroding day by day
That place is a shit show. Let's not even talk about Republicans...

Hell no. We even talk leaving Canada for Europe because of the influence US has here. I will gladly have a month PTO and better worker benefits, thank you.
- Same. With our first kid almost here we're starting to realize this isn't going to be a place that has much of a prosperous future for him. Our politicians want us to be USA Jr. so bad, our polarization is stronger than ever, and most of our main industries are run by a few oligarchs that no parties care to break up. My wife works for an EU company so we've seen and talked first hand with many friends over there and despite their own problems (no country is problem free) it's a region of the world that has a lot more to offer for social benefits and securities for families, and they have much less of a divide that all the far right nut jobs are sewing all over North America in recent years. Considering our options over the next 4 years.

No. Their cost of living is insane, plus I have T1D, which would be a pre-existing condition under their insurance schemes. Not insurmountable, but would be an ongoing issue. Plus their culture is intolerable.
Nope, I'm happy to sit up here in ol' Canada, living high on the hog, taking advantage of a 1.32 USD/CAD exchange rate.
- US health insurance is no longer allowed to consider pre-existing conditions. That was made illegal by the Affordable Care Act about 10 years ago.
  Of course, depending on who gets elected, that may change in the future…

It's not without risk. You'd have to see how much money you'd make, your cost of living including healthcare costs. Weigh them against the benefits including simply a change of scenery or sense of adventure, if it's worth it then go forth!
Might not be worth if you already have kids, for reason some people there only care about kids when inside a womb.
The whole American political and justice system is so messed up. Look carefully at the city and state you are relocating to, they're all different.
I sometimes want to go there but many things happening lately make me hug my city of Toronto a little tighter.
- Yeah I'm trying to see how much healthcare will cost me. I should find out more by next week. I agree, their political and societal system differs a lot from ours in Canada.
  
  I’m trying to see how much healthcare will cost me.
  That's the thing. You can't. You never know what health problems you'll develop in the future, and health care costs are not standardized outside of secret health insurance company formulas. It's a complete shit show. Don't come here.

If you are single this sounds like it might be an interesting opportunity as long as you find a GOOD place to settle in the US. Much like every province is very different in Canada so are the states.
However keep a few things in mind:
you will be a foreigner ( make sure you know your rights / or lack there of)
your employment terms may change immediately from being fairly safe and having severance in Canada in law to changing to at will termination in the US depending on the state and situation.
find out ALL the details of your company medical coverage and its cost before going, everything will cost you money medically in the US but you might get faster service
If you are thinking about buying a home find out what the laws are for foreigners on a TN visa.. Also find out what the property taxes are as in some states they are VERY high, while the price of the home is attractive.
Alternatively look into low cost of living places in Canada and consider moving within Canada. You may find that there is a lot of difference in the provinces and major cities.
- "Alternatively look into low cost of living places in Canada and consider moving within Canada."
  I have a 50k three bedroom house in rural Nova Scotia to sell you lol
  
  Yeah, someone was telling me we're rich for owning a condo and a cottage that were both the cheapest we found on the market and that were both for sale for months before we bought then... Two people owning 150k worth of property and "we're rich"...
- There's like 4 states I would consider in the US in terms of having similar protections as Canada while having good employment opportunities: Washington, California, New York, and Massachusetts. Unfortunately, these states are all insanely expensive and quickly eat into whatever pay raise you would be getting unless you're a software engineer or something.

Why go backwards?

Lol no. Fuck those capitalists

I moved to California a couple years back. I think it is absolutely worth the move. Especially as a software developer, you can make 4x what you do in Canada.
The biggest complaint I have is TN is annoying to renew, but overall it's not a big deal at all. If your work is sponsoring a green card, then that is the cherry on top.
My quality of life is greatly increased. I make way more, and also pay way less for groceries, cars, electronics, internet/cell phone. Los Angeles is literally more affordable for me than most of Ontario lol
I think moving would only be worth it if you're in a professional career that makes more in the US, otherwise your QOL will obviously be worse here.
- I think a lot of Canadians have no idea just how cheap certain things are in the US. A lot of our food is imported from there and we pay the exchange. My grocery bill was tiny in Oregon relative to Quebec.
  Edit: Another one is shoes. Canada has an import tax that results in some shoes being literally 3x the price after everything is said and done.
  
  Exactly, any "out of season" food is never out of season here in California. Avacados are so cheap here for example. Meat is also way cheaper too, even for organic products, not the bottom of the barrel. $2 street tacos are my lifeblood now.
  For me, cell phone service was mind blowing. I am paying $25 a month all in, for 15 gigs and unlimited talk/text.
  Taking a toll lane here is actually cheap too, $4-5 max per usage. I went on the 407 once by accident and was billed $20 for one exit lol
  
  So shoes are the reason to move? lol.
- than most of Ontario
  Most of Ontario is small places that cost basically nothing to live in or empty space. Meanwhile you've got engineers living in campers at their employer's office because life is so expensive in California.
  
  Most of Ontario is small places that cost basically nothing to live in or empty space.
  And yet most people live in the GTA, because jobs are sort of required to live.
  A car is still the same price no matter where you are in Ontario, same with food, same with electricity. You also get paid 4x less. The camper stories are extreme edge cases.

I would recommend most people to live away from their hometown if they get an opportunity to. It’s worth seeing and experiencing how other people live - and it’s worth getting out of your comfort zone. Are you going to learn, grow and be better as a result? As well, is your career going to be fostered as a result?
It’s quite a general question because I don’t know what your values are. I don’t know what you’re leaving behind or how you’re quantifying that. But the US isn’t a monolith in climate, landscape, politics, culture, people, government, etc. You can live in on a Hawaiian island or in the vast concrete jungle of New York City - be in the same country, but live polar opposite lives. Canada isn’t a monolith either, but it’s not as extreme.
If money is your motivation, do a cost benefit analysis with the region you want to live in.
If all else fails to provide answers, leave it to fate. Flip a coin.
- Totally agree here. There are many Canadians that would never in a million years consider moving the US and I think that's a pretty narrow view of the country. It's a big country with a lot of diversity and until you've at least visited I don't think it's fair to write it off. Hawaii is a great example. It's an absolute paradise with a unique local culture, but is still technically the US.
  
  The Mayan Riviera is absolutely gorgeous, but it's not exactly a representative sample for what moving to Mexico would be like, and a vacation there is not the same as moving there either. I'll very happily visit the US. I'll do the touristy things, I'll meet with my American friends, I'll go to Vegas for a weekend and melt into a puddle. But if I were picking up and moving I would want to be good and damn sure that my life there would be an improvement and that's not a great bet in a lot of cases in the US, especially when one half of the government is actively, intentionally and openly working to make everyone's life worse and there's a reasonable chance that they'll be back in power with the next election. And even if they aren't they're still able to act through state government and the Supreme Court.
  I've been doing some figuring to see if leaving the country is feasible for myself, but the US doesn't make my short list of destinations. It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.
- I would recommend most people to live away from their hometown if they get an opportunity to.
  Hot take here but that's a waste of resources (and potentially money) and a very cultural thing. Anglo Canadians and Americans packing up and moving across the country for university and then taking the plane to visit their family a couple of times a year... We don't see that as much from other cultures in both countries.

Hell no, that country seems to be on track for a civil war.

Do they have a good healthcare plan? If they don't...well just never get cancer or something.
- There are no good healthcare plans, the best of them still requires you to pay for just about anything that isn't the most basic.
- there is, but you need to find the right job. I doubt low wage job have anything good. If you are a professional that might be good .

Honestly, I'd just stick with the TN. With how easy a TN is to get, the only real advantage of a Green Card is if you plan on being unemployed in the US (which you don't, because you're in the US for the money like everyone else).
Though FWIW TN should allow you to work in the US anyway, so I'm not sure why they're only offering GC for relocation.
Be very careful about the strong USD, because things are more expensive in the US and they're often of lower quality for the same price. You won't feel richer unless you save a bunch of USD and move back to Canada down the line.
Earning CAD and spending CAD ~= Earning USD and spending USD
Earning USD and spending CAD is ideal

I moved to the US (California) for 3.5 years. It was actually a great experience. If you work in tech you should be able to make more money in the US and even in a HCOL city you should be able to save some. As other's mentioned the US is a very diverse place and you should be able to find a state/city/neighbourhood that matches your lifestyle and values.
Sponsorship for a green card is a very long process, and I don't think you can do it from a TN anyway, so you'd need to switch to an immigrant intent visa (H1-B, EB, etc.) The whole process can take years even for Canadian born people (if you are born in India or China you could wait decades)
Ultimately I decided to move back to Canada, being close to family was more important to me than making more money. I also didn't want to raise kids in the US.
- I don’t think you can do it from a TN anyway, so you’d need to switch to an immigrant intent visa (H1-B, EB, etc.)
  You actually can, a lot of people do that. You just have to time it so that it completes before your TN renews, because after you start the GC process, you will not be able to renew TN again (since you violated non-immigrant intent).
  It only really works for Canadian born people, because it'll take 1-1.5 years for GC, Mexicans will take longer so they can't really do that on TN. And as you said, India/China wait list is around 60 years now I believe.

I did as a Software Engineer. No winter (in California) and 3x more money working stateside! The worst part is being so far from my family :(
But... as much as I love Canada I also love America and now I get to have two countries 💜!!
- So you're still in California?

If you have a lot of money , why not? But think to the cost of travel to see your family.

Are you rich? If you're at least in the top quintile it's a good deal, since the crappy government services won't effect you as much. Probably make sure there's a way to get back if things get even hairier.
- Top quintile is probably insufficient tbh. Most US cities aren't that great and living in a city on par with Vancouver/Toronto/Montreal gets expensive fast.

Droughts in the west are going to end up causing mass migrations once all the water is finally gone, and the extreme heat in the east makes me think if anything people are going to be leaving the USA, probably in our lifetimes.
- Well what about the East part of the US? The US is a lot more than the desert ridden south west.
  
  Might want to see this: https://lemmy.ca/post/1090349 I can see this becoming a norm over there.
  Looks like the upper Midwest might be ok, at least for now.
- Seems extreme imo.

Do it! Experience as much of the world as you can - especially if your employer will help with cost/visa!

I would get the green card and figure out where I want to live later. Nothing about getting it would preclude you eventually settling back down in Canada. But it opens up living in Hawaii or Florida or Texas or New Orleans - very different cultural and climatic environments to anything we have in Canada.
- Yeah that's my thought too. It'll take roughly 2 years to get my green card I'd imagine. 2 years is still 2 years though.
  
  My bro required about 11 years for his green card. This is important:
  at the time, you needed to have a visa that allowed you to be working and living in America.
  each h1b is 4 years. You get 2.
  there was no grift for queue-jumping back then
  I'm not sure you can do it on a TN, nor from outside. H1, J1, etc, may be your only hope.

Why don’t you just get paid in USD?
- just
  This is how we know you're summarizing, and we worry you're skipping over parts you may not know about. ;-) #IT-PTSD

inb4 all the comments immediately telling you it’s a bad idea i just wanna say that this isn’t a bad opportunity. america isn’t nearly as bad in day-to-day life as it seems and depending on your field you’ll almost certainly receive a large pay raise versus employment in canada. considering you can relocate anywhere in the US, cost of living shouldn’t be an issue. you very well might be able to find significantly lower cost of living in multiple american localities than in canada. if your benefits are good from your employer and can offset the costs of losing access to socialized medicine, you very well might be able to increase your gross income by a fairly significant amount. it just really amounts to playing your cards right and i’m getting the vibe you have a whole lot of wiggle room with your choices here. if you can square a lot of these issues away, america is a pretty great place to live all things considered. do realize you are entering a very volatile social atmosphere, however, and recognize you might become significantly “closer,” both physically and otherwise, to the primary major hotspots of global political instability. this isn’t necessarily bad, depending on you personally. there’s a unique opportunity for change in america currently, and it would be baseless to claim the mere existence of things like political activism, terrorism, gun violence, etc. inherently discount being here in principle. the vast majority of americans have never experienced an act of terror. in fact, if you care about a lot of global issues currently ongoing, then generally speaking america is likely your best bet for your activism or ideas to have significant impact
- Activism only really works if you're a citizen/PR of the country, otherwise you risk being deported.
  The other thing is that a lot of American activism is targeted at problems that are mostly, well, American.
  
  that’s a fair point and i wouldn’t necessarily disagree. honestly i suppose my point is more that when it comes to global issues, typically the largest multi-national organizations focused on them are based in the united states. there’s a lot more opportunities for global work here than elsewhere. that isn’t to say a lot of those same things exist in countries around the globe. but there is certainly a lot of global wealth and soft power focused around the american metropolises, and there’s no real reason to discount that. foreigners work in these nonprofits all the time. for a lot of people, working in these organizations is a capstone

Canadian's thinking
What ABOUT our thinking? #l2s

some guy whining about Trudeau killing Canada
- It's easy to blame Trudy when it's all levels of gov't. Healthcare for example is provincial.

I’m planning on going to the states next year. Double the salary and better opportunities.