7mo ago

Undocumented Chinese men say they're baffled by Trump's reported plans to deport them first

www.nbcnews.com

Summary

Undocumented Chinese men are alarmed by Trump’s plan to prioritize their deportation, citing baseless national security concerns about “military-age” immigrants.

Many fled political persecution or economic hardship and reject claims of being a threat.

Legal experts warn of racial profiling and expanded ICE raids, urging immigrants to know their rights. Deportation fears grow as China cooperates in repatriation efforts.

Chinese immigrants express anxiety over family separations and harsh consequences if returned, emphasizing they seek safety and stability, not harm.

Critics call Trump’s policies cruel and unjustified.

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7mo ago

Undocumented Chinese men say they're baffled by Trump's reported plans to deport them first

www.nbcnews.com /news/asian-america/trumps-reported-plans-deport-undocumented-chinese-men-first-rcna183824

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It's standard fascist procedure. Always attack the weakest perceived out group first. Before going for the larger ones.
- I am not a socialist, trade unionist, or a Jew, so I don't see any problems here.
  
  How dark are you in the browness scale? /s
  
  Your comment having 88 upvotes kinda jumped out at me.
  
  /s is mandatory
- Chinese exclusion act part 2. Sigh.
If indeed focused on immigrants of Chinese descent, Trump’s deportation policies are likely to be challenged legally as a blatant example of racial profiling.
Of course this will happen. It is racist, but that's fine with them.
- SC will allow it.
  
  Currently Korematsu seems to be unfavorable but we will see for how long.
I am very surprised he is going to do what he said he is going to do!
- to be fair, they do not use the word “surprise” once in the article, “baffled” and “alarmed” are much more precise terms they accurately use, and undocumented migrants cannot vote.
  tldr, this isn’t really a leopards ate my face situation. (not saying that’s your point but just in case anyone gets the wrong impression and starts clowning on these poor guys.)
reason 116 i voted against trump; messing with my local Chinese buffet
- US economy gonna instantly contract 5% if all the hole-in-the-wall Chinese restaurants have to shut down when their workers get deported
  
  If only it were just hole in the wall places..
  The local higher end places like sushi and hibachi joints are also staffed almost entirely by Chinese migrants around me. One of the places I worked for a while even had a weird arrangement to get people into the country, probably illegally (they didn’t stay with the company for more than a month before moving on to a bigger city, so I’m sure this was some sort of illegal immigration operation.. none of my business.)
  
  Still actually seems trivial compared to the incoming Tariffs and mass industry deregulation.
  
  Add the contraction from deporting all South and Central Americans (we'll see if only those without papers or all).
I'm not racist or nothing, but the biggest threat to this country is the white man. It makes me ashamed to share genetics with these troglodytes.
- The biggest threat to our country are sweeping generalizations of entire races, classes and creeds.
  and not enough dead billionaires.
  ~Troglodyte
  
  There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.
- That's still racist
  
  It’s not racist for @gnomesaiyan@lemmy.world to make this statement when viewed through the framework of critical race theory. This perspective emphasizes that “white” has never been a fixed racial category but rather a social construct tied to the maintenance of white supremacist power structures. As outlined in this article, “whiteness” functions as an ideology rather than a biological or ethnic identity.
  Example: Throughout U.S. history, groups such as Italians, Irish, and Jewish people were excluded from “whiteness” before being gradually assimilated into the category. This shifting definition of “whiteness” underscores its role in reinforcing systemic hierarchies, as discussed here.
  edit: My only qualm with their comment is the “sharing genetics” part, which, as discussed above, isn’t a real thing.
- The suicide rate among our group is going up. If that helps.
- I disagree. The neurotypical man is the biggest threat.
- So you're racist against white people.
  
  Nice try. I'm actually a misanthrope. Racism is for stupid people.
  
  I'm a white man and I agree with them. Am I racist against myself?
  
  https://lemmy.cafe/comment/8993596
  
  Racism is a systemic issue, you can't be racist against the oppressor.
No one is welcome here. Not even us.
Should be pretty easy for any Chinese citizen to claim refugee status, no? I mean basically every Chinese citizen is being persecuted by their government.
Under international law, the US can't deport someone who is pending refugee status
- International law seems pretty optional if you're a superpower.
  
  It stopped Russia from traveling to Brazil
- Eh, I heard from someone who works in Australia, processing asylum claims from Chinese nationals, that, many, many claims are rejected (not sure about other countries, and this is 2nd hand info, from years ago).
  Basically, while it can be argued certain, and notable numbers of Chinese citizens are being persecuted, saying every Chinese citizen is being persecuted is a bit of a stretch. Even if various freedoms are not granted in China.
  The average Zhang, Wang, Li and Zhao can go about their lives with some differences to here in the west, but it's not as extreme as people portray on the internet. Most people live their lives in much the same way as they do elsewhere in the world.
  Things don't have to be extreme in order to still be criticisable, in my opinion. Just like things aren't complete shit in the US, but there's a lot to criticise.
  In summation, no, most Chinese immigrants wouldn't qualify as asylum seekers fleeing political persecution.
  Inb4 the tankies and "China Bad" idiots: reality is nuanced, deal with it.
The gratitude I once felt toward the U.S for accepting me into the country
Okay, so no one has actually accepted an undocumented person into the country. We all want them documented. We just have different ideas of what to do with them once they are “caught”
- I have. And I know plenty of others who have. Undocumented people are not the problem. The problem is the system that forces them to be undocumented. We should make it easy to be documented and provide benefits for being documented. As well as making immigration easier. If we did all that. There would be hardly any undocumented people. And the problem with those people wouldn't be so much that they were undocumented. But their reasons for being undocumented. We are forcing a lot of otherwise good honest people to be lumped in with a few criminals. In order to justify and fuel National xenophobia. That's the sad honest truth. Because there's no way we will ever document anyone and everyone that comes in across our thousands and thousands of miles of borders. It just human or technologically possible.
  
  I agree the process should be easier
  
  We should make it easy to be documented and provide benefits for being documented.
  The 2nd half of that is already true as there are definitely benefits for being documented, one which is protection from being deported.
  The first part is trickier since there seems to be some confusion on what "undocumented" means. For instance if you're already working with ICE then you are documented until the Immigration System makes its decision about you.
  "Undocumented" really means that someone is here without the knowledge of the authorities at all. Ideally the US Government would simply put a stake in the ground and grant amnesty for anyone already here and then tighten things up in the future. Unfortunately we already did that back in 1986 and while the "Amnesty" part got done the other part didn't.
  Our immigration system is a dumpster fire of hodge-podged laws, executive actions, court decisions, and federal agency policies. Frankly we should scrap the whole thing and return to 'Ellis Island Style" until we can re-work it from the ground up to make it function correctly.
  Ellis is how my Grandparents got here and as a system it mostly worked.
- Something to keep in mind. Entering the country without documentation is a misdemeanor. When people are fleeing political persecution they can't get the appropriate paperwork.
  A lot (not all) of these people come in and turn themselves in. The policy is (was?) recognize that minor documentation issue and let them stay while it gets resolved. In that manner yes they were accepted, if only temporarily, while their documentation problems are resolved.
  
  I’m fine with that scenario. That’s “documented” in the sense that we know they are here. As long as they are actively seeking papers, I’m good.
  But it sucks to be them in 2025
Chains for thee, but not for me.-crowd.
The CCP members, PLA soldiers and MSS agents should not be baffled.

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