Capitalism is when 1 in 10 people don't eat
Capitalism is when 1 in 10 people don't eat
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Soviet famine of 1932-33? Poor leadership, demographic malice, or failing logistics can cause famine. Starvation is never intentional in any system (though, one would argue, government seizure of grain didn’t help)
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It's intentional in capitalism. Any surplus will cause the price to plummet, so for it to function properly there has to be unsatisfied demand. The government even pays some farmers to not grow things on their land.
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Starvation is never intentional in any system
British people looking through office blinds and grinning
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The difference here is that there is no humanitarian crisis occurring, yet 10% of the population is starving because of profit seeking in agribusiness. On average for most of the existence of the Soviet Union, homelessness was essentially eliminated, every single person had the opportunity to work for a wage, and calorie consumption was higher than any other country.
I can anticipate the response to this. No, I don't think the USSR was a flawless, shining beacon of proletarian democracy. It was a deeply flawed state that had it's own issues. But at least the poorest people had their needs met for most of it's existence.
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I mean even Lenin admitted that the Soviet Union was just state capitalism so the point still counts. Also it is still baffling to me that we could feed 10 billion people and still have whole populations that are starving. And obviously a system that is just there to be evil will most likely not exsist. But have it as by product often occurred in systems which only focused on (the growth of) power (money is just another form of power). This includes the former west and the former east bloc.
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I wonder if they were using more modern fertilizer then. Being able to synthetically produce ammonia happened in 1923.
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Communism is when 9 in 10 don't eat.
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Wonder how this would look if instead of "households" it was people. Cuz ya know, the unhoused are people too
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Unfettered capitalism. Capitalism held in check by government oversight doesn't seem possible when from supreme court justices all the way down to state senators and even 'city councils' - are bought and paid for. Notice how they haven't made an ethics package they'd have to abide by? It's because they have no ethics and don't intend to get any, either. Capitalism held in check, however, with tax rates making sure this game of "how many trillions can I take from everyone else?" - tax rates precluding the possibility of surpassing millionaire as 'top of the food chain rich'. You know, sensible.
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Reminder that obesity is one of the biggest health issues amongst the poor in the United States... There are tons of issues but no one is starving in the US.
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"Food insecurity" also means someone is more likely to go for garbage, empty calorie food like ramen, cheap fatty/highly processed meats, and barely any fresh vegetables due to financial reasons. You can be obese and malnourished at the same time.
Good food is more expensive than shitty food in the US. Our whole food economy is centered around fats and sugar.
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no one is starving in the US
tell the world you're a wilfully ignorant asshole without saying you're a wilfully ignorant asshole..
to add to the link in op, not that you care enough to actually educate yourself, but in case anyone accidentally takes you seriously:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HungerintheUnitedStates
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i don't buy the numbers, i think there's more people struggling to put food on the table than what this says.
I see it as the fact that we already has more than double the capacity to feed everyone, yet we still choose not to.
Yep, by the definitions of food security capitalist countries have always done better than communist ones. In the USSR, only Ukraine, Belorussia, and Kazakhstan produced a surplus. Famines resulted when food was forcibly taken from them to feed the rest. By the above definition, the 70% of the USSR was food insecure.
China didn't look much better and the less centralized they were, the worse it got. (before folks come out of the woodwork to claim that it wasn't true socialism or anarchism) All non capitalist systems we have ever seen including feudalism and socialism have required violence to force production. That's just slavery with extra steps.
There weren't really famines in the USSR after the beginning, when they fucked up collectivization and then went through a long and brutal war for their people. Same thing with China. They messed up some stuff a lot but they were also basically the first two countries trying a new thing.
But capitalist countries have gone through famines as well, even more so because there have been more of them, and when they were in the same pre-industrial and early industrial periods of their development as well. UK controlled India went through its own famine due to human causes, there was the Great Dust Bowl in the US, basically half of Africa and everything that has gone on there, etc.
This is false, even by the CIA's own admission:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5.pdf
You must be speaking about the USSR's early period, transitioning from a rural backwater into an industrial power house. They experienced a famine then (and unfortunately it was the routine even before communism), but once they completed collectivication, there no longer were any. In other words, communism ended the pattern of famines in Russia and Ukraine.