rule when .ml simps for putin

Reminder: "US bad" is not a valid argument for "Russia good"
- Yes, it's literally non sequitur. And a very popular propaganda move: [country A] is good because [country B] is worse. In fact, it usually is not even relatively good if there's a need for such 'argument'
- *confused tankie noises
- Nothing in your rant justifies Russia invading a sovereign country, murdering its citizens or deporting its children.
  Arguing agaist a nonexistent "pro US" stance and using it to morally justify Russia is exactly the kind of nonsense I was pointing out.
  
  The USSR did not fall because of a US coup. It collapsed because of its own internal contradictions.
  
  "Nothing to eat for 10 years" is the find out part of Russia fucking around.
  They are no better than the Nazis. Exact same MO. Occupy countries through Imperalistic expansion, genocide the local population, and make simps like you eat up their propaganda.
  I look forward to the upcoming Russian collapse. Would be nice if they stop spreading nuclear weapons to terrorists like North Korea and Iran first.

- (in a similar vein)
  There is a third choice, where you say both are bad (ie. anarchists and pure marxists). But most people on lemmy.ML are Marxist Leninists (ML) who simp for authotarian states that call themselves socialist, like Russia, China, and North Korea.
  
  russia does not even pretend to be socialist
- What country is that?
  
  China, North Korea etc
- Yes I’m sure Soviet Union killing anarchists and genociding their Ukrainian polulation was the “direct consequence of US Imperialism”.
  Also a 3 day old account posting on a single issue and spamming dozens of comments every 10 minutes. Dodgy behaviour.

- literally by doing the same
- Let's swallow the Russia bit, right? Because Russian history from Ivan III to Nicholas II is basically exactly imperialist colonialism.
  And then you just focus on the China bit. Yes, the westerners did that to China in the past. Does that mean that modern day China is structurally incapable of being an imperialist country in the 21st century? Or because the CCP pays lip service to socialism (while Xi tells people to train as Confucians) we're supposed to ignore the actual capitalist nature of its economy/society?
  
  Funny how it'salways some other countries fault, never the fault of the dictators.

Stalin says to Kropotkin: "The difference between us is that you're an aristocrat while I'm from the working class."
Kropotkin answer: "True, but we also have something in common: We are both class traitors."

Every time this gets reposted I need to point out that it is spelled: "You are not an anti-imperialist"
English is stupid.
- French:
  A beautiful man:
  Un <= masculin (A)
  Homme <= masculin (Man)
  So the adjective should be masculine, right?
  But as homme 1) starts with a H and the word does not have nordic descent, it's not the masculine 'beaux' but feminine :
  Un bel homme.
  But not belle eh, just bel (they obviously sound exactly the same).
  Because, it sounds better.
  Which language was stupid now again?
  It's crazy humanity can communicate at all.
- but neither are necessary. someone could just be anti imperialist.
  
  Don't be an party pooper
- What I want to know is, despite the amount of Hexbear brain rot over there why we are still federated with them? It seems really weird to continue to give them platform on our instances.

They're just fascists.

The tankies are out in full force in this thread.

Man, why did I stumble on this thread after the tankies got deleted

Simping for any government leadership is just gross. These people don’t actually care about protecting the working class; they just want power, money, and recognition. As soon as you put a human into that role, they corrupt in one way or another. It’s why I clarify that I support the struggling working class under any ruler. The fight is always about them and ensuring they have human rights and a right to self-determination.
Every person I’ve met in my lifetime that lived under communism had nothing good to say about it, and they were all working class. Some pasty white dudes in America don’t know shit about that and never will. They get into a fantasy loop because living under capitalism fucking sucks, and dreaming about something perceived as better is understandable.
I recommend people read Marx and keep trying to unite the working class. Take the good pieces and stop idolizing people. As soon as you idolize a person, you are incapable of being able to identify when they do or say something terrible.

Sorry for your notifications OP, I went through the same thing when I posted this here.
- First it was fun watching the argument unfold. Now it's annoying lol. Thank you, kind stranger.
  
  Pro Tipp: turn off notifications; just post a spicy comment and return 6h later to view the carnage
  
  Should we start a peer-support group?

lol pootin. RIP BOZO

So many US empire simps here mistake opposition to their evil, and counterproductive diminishment of Americans and Europeans who simp for the empire, as supporting the Russian non-empire who needs to defend itself, and understands fully, despite any absurd propaganda to the contrary, that it needs to defend itself from US empire attempting to demonically diminish it.
Your propaganda bubble means you cannot and will never have nice things, including any climate supporting human sustainability. Heads are so far empire ass, that advising you it stinks up there, only makes you understand it as an order to move to Russia.

- account age less than a day
  🤡
  
  You people are children
- Kinda hard to simp for Russia when I can feel Putin constantly breathing down my neck.
  
  Yeah well, kind of hard to simp for the Democrats when their bombs keep killing my family members

- That's kinda the most insane part about tankies supporting Putin to me. Russia is basically Reagan's wet dream right now, their entire government and economic system was built in the image American capitalists wanted. To support Putin is to support the Western hegemony, but since Russia was the Soviet Union once, Tankies just give it a free pass? Wtf?
- So edgy

"America should stop sending bombs to its puppet" is not supporting Russia.
- Way to downplay the self determination of smaller countries! Ukraine allies with the US for the same reason Vietnam often sides with the US over China: the empire next door is a bigger problem than the empire on the other side of the planet. The US is the lesser evil in those situations, especially in Ukraine's case.
  The alternative is being an actual puppet to an empire that sees you as nothing but a buffer and a breadbasket. Being under the thumb of a reformed empire that inflicted famine and genocide on you and other neighbors. The ethnic Russian makeup of post Soviet countries isn't a mistake, but an example of deliberate imperialism by that Russian empire.
  In terms of this disrespect, Ukraine got of easy compared to countries like Kazakhstan. I don't care how much you complain about landowners in Ukraine, I dare you to defend the population control and environmental destruction there as anything less than imperialist cruelty.
  The Soviet Union was a red-washed Russian empire, not some model system that was much different than the liberty-clad American empire. It was not made of equal states, but a dominant power squeezing the rest. Nationalistic bullshit is what the selfish turn to when capitalism runs its course, and that's what this tankie bullshit is: counter-revolutionary garbage where nothing fundamentally changes. The answers will never be that easy.
  
  The ethnic Russian makeup of post Soviet countries isn't a mistake, but an example of deliberate imperialism by that Russian empire.
  Indeed. it's the result of genocide. A genocide still ongoing in Ukraine as we speak. Which is something we should be mentioning a lot more
- "Russia should stop sending bombs to its puppet" is not supporting the US.
  
  I concur. Sadly I do not live in Russia and can't call up Putin and tell him to knock it off.
- It is when those bombs are actively helping to stop Russian imperialism.
  
  Those bombs are blowing up people in Ukraine, statistically in America's conflicts, it's like 10 civilians to 140 for every "enemy combatant", and I doubt the Ukrainian conscripts are more disciplined and trained than America is.
  Do you genuinely believe America has any interest at all in improving conditions for the people of Ukraine? Has that been true one single time since WWII?
  There's 3 parties here who can unilaterally end the war that has killed or wounded over a million and displaced millions more, America, Russia, and Ukraine.
- "Trump just wants to save America". That's what you sound like.
  
  I am under no impression that Putin wants to save Ukraine. I am observing that what is happening is far worse than if they had agreed to the peace deal they had in 2022, and far far worse than if they simply enforced the minsk II agreement.
- Ukraine desperately wants those bombs. They remember what it was like living under Russian imperialist rule. They remember that Russia genocided 10% of their population the last time they were conquered.
  
  Ukraine desperately wants those bombs
  The government of Ukraine wants those bombs to take control over a territory filled with people they are openly hostile to. The people, like all people, want to live in peace.
  Do you really think that this particular bourgeoisie democracy, unlike all the others, represents the people? One that has suspended elections and throws people in prison for "questioning Ukraine's territorial integrity"?
  Every single military action the US has taken since WWII, the US has been acting directly contrary to the interests of the people it claimed to be helping, and every single time the US population gets duped into thinking this time they're there to help. Why do you think this one is different?
- "America should stop sending bombs to its puppet" is not supporting Russia.
  It's like saying lobbying to continue the usage of fossil fuel is not supporting oil company.