Yup

Yeah but the she-devil Kamala supports post-birth abortions.
a family member
- they don't even fucking know what abortion means.
  
  I wish this was an exaggeration
- "She can't even string a sentence together", said after her town hall late in the campaign.
  It's like they never fucking listened to a single Trump rally.
  
  Say what you will about Trump he can definitely string a sentence together, hell he can't help himself from stringing 20 into one.
- My Catholic-ass mom reads a Catholic-ass newspaper and recently told me with complete confidence that Hillary Clinton was the "partial-birth abortion queen". How do you even have a conversation with someone who's ingested so much propaganda?
  
  Gift them a birthing bed with a built in guillotine?
  Jokes aside, this is why we should bring back fire bombs.
- I too support post birth abortions of healthcare CEOs
- Wouldn't opposing post-birth abortions mean more gun control?

Obama won his senate seat because his opponent had an affair. Everyone said he was too young, but then he went on to beat Hillary and McCain.
Bill Clinton won the democratic primary because everyone thought Heart was going to win, then HE had an affair. Everyone said he was too young, but then he went on to beat Bush.
Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden won their primary because "IT WAS THEIR TURN". Biden only won because Republican rigged it to suppress mail in voting, but that suppressed the wrong group in the wake of COVID. I think we all have our theories on Harris. My point: I think it is time for someone that isn't "THEIR TURN" to become our next nominee.
- Biden won the highest turnout election in more than a century, and Al Gore's win was stolen by the Bush clique. This is gross reframing or even reimagining of events to suit your narrative.
- Al Gore is not like the others. Yes you might say he became the nominee because it was his turn. But, he also had extremely good policy ideas that were very different from “not being Trump “.
  
  And he won both the popular and electoral votes

All of this is just a distraction anyway. It's rich vs poor always has been. We have a huge group of people that should really be allies but are brainwashed against their own interests. It's easy to say they're on the wrong side but we should really be looking to mend the divide in ways that we can rather than further it by stating how morally superior we are.
- Agreed. It's uncanny how no news source wants to call out the class divide and instead focuses on the partisan divide
  
  It's not that strange when you consider they are a major tool in the class war. We do still have elections, and so whoever the ownership class can't buy they need to have their outlets convince us not to vote for.
  There is no "unbiased" media when it's corporate media.
- This rich vs. poor thing would be a hell of a lot more believable if there weren't so many poor people who were gigantic fucking bigots.
  How do you mend a divide between people who exist and people who hate their existence?
  
  by attacking the media structures and funding that manipulate them. (this is not a fix all solution. obviously. but it is taking action against the most materially funded arm of the propagation of conservative values. i hope it can be one of many tools leftists use to push for justice and dignity.)
  
  Of course rich folk will look for allies among poor folk. Play off the people against each other. This strategy is centuries old ... no wait, millennia old.
  You don't mend a divide. That's pointing to the divide as the problem, when the real problem is discrimination.
- When they stop trying to hurt my friends, I'll be the first to present an olive branch. Yes, we should create class solidarity, but you can educate the willfully ignorant.

Sadly, a lot of them voted for Trump because they think he's going to "fix it". The sad thing is they just trust him to figure it out once in office.
- Well according to Americans a guy with "concepts of a plan" is apparently more qualified than any woman ever, that's what I learned from 2016 and 2024...
  
  Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris != Why women ever

This is maybe oversimplifying things, however - I will never fully understand how somebody hears a candidate talk only about who they will hurt first, while their opposition talks about how to help the most people...and the guy who wants to increase the human suffering wins.
I mean, logically, yeah I guess I can understand. But at the same time, I will never get it. :P
- I come from an immigrant family. We came legally, sure. But the fight is the same: provide a better life and better opportunities for the next generation.
  It blows my mind how someone can change this to paint the immigrant as bad. All while there are American citizen business men hiring the immigrants. Go after the business men?
  I don’t get it. Wouldn’t people want to look past the place of birth and look into someone’s character? Surely a person fighting for a better life for their family is more honorable than a businessman looking to cut corners.
  I’ve met conservatives with such deep hatred for “illegals” that I sincerely cannot understand where they’re coming from.
  
  It's all about fear. If the propagandists can play on your fears, you will learn to hate whoever they tell you to; but there's also greed, which essentially is the fear of not having enough/more/whatever.
  You see, money was not invented to be used as currency. Nor does it represent the "value of labor" or any of that crap. Money is fear made manifest. It only exists so that you will be afraid of not having enough. Even those sociopathic billionaires we all wanna eat only get that twisted and fucked up inside, just cause they're still afraid of money, or at least that someone else might have more (I think? You have to be a completely useless shitheel to amass that much wealth).
  And finally, lack of a sense of personal responsibility. So much easier if it's someone else's fault you didn't make it big.
  Oh, and the hatred of a conservative will never make sense. They have imported the thoughts and ideals of another whole cloth, all because they're afraid of being on the losing team. There is no logic to such things; it's a very insidious form of brainwashing.
  
  They have been sold a lie that all the changes in their life have been the fault of immigrants, poor people, technology etc. The life they were promised doesn’t exist anymore and they fear change, and they are provided with a scapegoat be it immigration or so called liberals. It is easier to fear and hate something than to look at the truth. The wealthy and elite have been steadily taking more and more in their greed and lust for power.
  President Lyndon B. Johnson once said:
  "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.
  This has just expanded a bit more to immigrants as well in recent decades.
- The Democrats candidates talked at length about how they were tougher on immigration, more supportive of Israel's genocide, and favoured by sadistic fascists like Dick Cheney. It was literally both parties arguing that they would be the ones to increase human suffering the most
  
  A both sides argument from a <24 hr old account.
  Very compelling stuff.
  
  Oh for fuck sake, really?
  What the fuck ever; I'll still take the side that talks less about causing harm. Or any option other than Mr Orange Weirdo. The senile shit stain answers every question with a list of people he needs to cause harm to.
  No, the Democrats are not "the same".
  Also, maybe read the room and just delete your stupid account?

The Democrats are never able to pass these things while they're in power, though.
Like yes there is Obamacare and some loan forgiveness, but it's drops in the bucket compared to what Republicans are cooking up with Project 2025
- That’s not the full picture, the republicans house and senate votes have a clear history of obstructionism for the last 30 years
  Just look at any vote after George HW Bush and then compare that to public sentiment about what they are voting on.
  Yeah, they can get project 2025 done because they brainwashed half of society to support them.
  
  I agree with you that Republicans have been big on obstructionism. And Democrats have never taken serious steps to deal with it, because corporate Democrats like the obstructionism. They want to pretend to be left wing, but if they actually had to pass left-wing policies, that would piss off their corporate funders. Obviously this is a vast simplification, but I think the best example was Obama pushing for the ACA instead of NHS. You can argue that it would have been hard to get NHS through, but it would have solved the problems that are even bigger now than they were 10 years ago. No way big pharma was going to allow that. There's too much money to be made when you sell insurance and then allow your customers to die anyway.

Nah Lemmy would be bitching about Biden not cancelling student loan debt despite Trump judges being the ones blocking it.
“Status quo” wasn’t enough to get people off their asses. Well, we’re about to see the opposite of that. Congrats.
- Biden gave it a shot, got stymied, and walked away. Hey, a weak attempt is better than nothing, but we sure would have liked to see him try harder. I don't blame him for failing, but he certainly didn't give it his all.
  
  Walked away? He tried multiple angles to get at the same end goal, most of which are/were held up in court.

Nah I think a lot of people would also be gloating, like obviously fuck trump, Kamala would have been better, they'd be gloating too
- Only reason Kamala was better is the simple fact she isn't actively trying to overthrow the government
  
  The only?
  
  Any continuation of Biden like policies is actually pretty damn good.

I mean not to feed into the us vs. them mentality, but... it's kind of obvious we're better than them on a spiritual level at this point....

they would be celebrating the money
money makes humans forget about humanity
a nation of killers might be the one thing worse than a nation of slavers though they tend to work together

Who is this referring to, both those being killed and those celebrating it?
- Liberals and fascists.
  
  Fascist are celebrating how many liberals they'll get to kill? What's that referring to?

I don’t know why you would celebrate something that was never promised and unlikely to happen.

- You still don't understand that this isn't about left vs right, Red vs Blue, old Vs young, black Vs white.
  While there are still people who are dying or just existing just to prop up the wealth of a few people then we all lose.
  
  I think you've misunderstood me because I agree with you 100% on that. Though I would argue that that IS left vs right.

- This is literally provably false. Biden, for all his faults, pushed through a student loan cancelation program.
  It was blocked by the Trump controlled Supreme Court.
  Elections matter. If Trump didn’t put 3 Supreme Court justices in place to block it people would be better off.
  Don’t both sides this. It might make you feel smart but it results in harm.
  
  There's an argument to be made that Biden only pushed that stuff through knowing it'd get blocked. Long time tactic by politicians to introduce big things to look good when they know it'll fail, yet it's rarely introduced during times when they had full control.
  
  This is literally provably false. Biden, for all his faults, pushed through a student loan cancelation program.
  It was blocked by the Trump controlled Supreme Court.
  lol.
- Hey check out this "both sides bad" centrism over here.
  
  If the Democrat party is the best we can come up with barring some gasoline, they deserve to lie the same pile as the conservatives when the bodies start piling up.
  They serve themselves, and on many occasions step aside to let fascism do its thing. Controlled opposition. You all just eat it up.
  The spineless Democratic party. Let chaos reign.
  Reminder. He pardoned his drug addict son, and you're going to starve to death.
- Lol except the dems literally gave the ACA and student debt forgiveness. Want more? Then give them more victories. They need all 3 house of representatives, Senate, and presidency to pass things and they've had that for only 6 years of the last 44 years.
  
  The heritage foundation made the ACA for mitt Romney when he was governor of mass. It’s a right wing piece of legislation that was a handout to insurance companies and not universal healthcare.
  Student debt? They forgave what, 1% of the absolute worst loans from schools that no longer exist and were committing fraud? Or are you talking about the forgiveness program that denies 99% of applicants?

- What a stupid thing to type.
  
  The brainwashing is real
  
  Vegans

- I remember people being happy that everyone got "Obamacare" and everyone includes republicans.
  I haven't seen any suggested policies that said "everyone but republicans should get ...". But there were a few about e.g. giving children "free" lunch in school to ensure children have at least 1 meal per day. No one wanted to check if the parent of the child is a republican or if the child was. In fact, when the program was running for a little while, every child got their "free" meal.
  Yes, people celebrated that republican got healthcare because that is what everyone means. Republicans are part of everyone.
  
  ...Celebrating everyone getting it, is not the same as celebrating Republicans getting it.
- You don't always make sense, but you're always antagonistic af
  
  The point is this situation would not have happened. It was made out to stoke their ego. It’s cope.
  And good, angry gets shit done.
- I'd rather not have to celebrate basic human items like healthcare than someone celebrating killing anyone not like them (trans, gay, had abortion, not white male).
  in other words, FUCK OFF.
  
  What are you even on about?
  No one here is celebrating killing trans, gay, had abortion, or not white male peoples.
- Believe it or not some people celebrate society moving forward for everyone.