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Thinking about making my own lemmy client, but I could use some feedback

Here are the problems I want to solve:

The same app everywhere

It will run as a website, iOS app (also on macOS), and Android app. It will be responsive, supporting phone, tablet, and computer screen sizes along with everything in between.

And I’m not talking about simply resizing the interface. Navigation (e.g. sidebar or on mobile bottom tab bar) will match what you would expect to see on the device size you’re using. But everything else (e.g. posts) will look the same, which I hope will make it really easy to jump from mobile to desktop.

Onboarding and configuration

The app will allow you to configure it to look like a typical Reddit or Lemmy app. During the onboarding process, I will prompt you, asking which style of interface you prefer. Consider these presets, which change a bunch of more granular configuration options. I will also give you the ability to fully customize each option instead of picking a preset.

Caching and offline support

This is where it starts to get more tricky. Caching is easy. If you launch the app, it will have everything you previously saw still loaded.

I would like to make it so upvoting, for example, can be done offline. The app will optimistically apply the upvote to the post or comment, then when you reconnect to the internet, it will actually apply the upvote. This is a difficult problem to solve, so I can’t promise this will work, and it would likely be the last feature I add.

I need your feedback

This is a big project to undertake. I really want a Lemmy client that checks those boxes for myself, but I’m curious if any of those resonate with you? Is there anything I missed that you would like to see? If I do build this, I will likely have to keep the project very focused as far as features go initially.

Just for context, I’m using Voyager on iOS currently. I really like it, but the “the same app everywhere” concept and making it easier to onboard Reddit users are my main motivations for creating my own app. My app will also be fully open source

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  • It sounds really nice. Something to decide early on is whether to make it open source. Many people who use Lemmy specifically (more so than Reddit I am saying) will only use an app that is open source.

    • It will be open source. I have no plans to profit from this. My goal is to keep my costs really low - as near $0 as possible - by not running any backend for the app. Everything will be local. I do hope to build a nice app with a lot of users to add to my portfolio, but other than that I mostly just want to see Lemmy succeed long term.

      • If PieFed had an API I would say to check it out, as many of us are looking to it as the future. It is extremely lightweight, requires sending ~25-fold less data per post, already has most of the heaviest requested features that Lemmy lacks (categories of communities, hashtags, showing of the community and instance data alongside - after - each post, labeling of users, e.g. newly created accounts, private voting, ability to democratize moderation e.g. a user can choose to auto-hide posts based on a downvote counter, allowing moderators to be looser in the strict decision to remove vs. not remove content, etc.), and much more. Like Mbin, it is another implementation of the ActivityPub Protocol that federates with Lemmy while not being Lemmy itself.

        The caveat is that its web UI is horrible (lacks user tagging, many notifications don't actually take you to where it intends, replies aren't done in-line but on a separate page and then afterwards doesn't return you to where you were but to a generic view of the post whereupon you may have to dig through the complex navigation all over again to find where you were before, and most damning of all, it lacks a Preview feature so you may have to do all of that multiple times to get a post to look right, like a link or image embed).

        But, as I mentioned, it lacks an API. So unless you wanted to make one first and do a more full-stack than front-end project, that makes it a nonstarter no matter how awesome and a perfect fit the idea would have been otherwise. I did want to mention it though, just in case, and also to plant the seed in your mind that perhaps when an API is available it would be awesome to be able to switch to PieFed or Lemmy (or Mbin?) rather than be locked solely into just "Lemmy". Especially if Lemmy.World switches to PieFed let's say 1-3 years from now, bc that one instance holds ~80% of all the users on it.

        So... check it out!:-)

    • Not just open source. It needs to have a sustainable community of developers. I’m not interested in a project that dies when the one maintainer has other priorities (been there with another lemmy app) Open source just means anyone can fork it and carry on, but if nobody does, it still dies.

      • In that case, it would have been better if OP had offered the type of functionality that they wanted (e.g. cross-platform support, better responsiveness to tablet screens, etc.) to Voyager, as in like make a fork of Voyager and add in the new desired features. Elsewhere in this thread OP acknowledges that this would have been preferable... yet they are going to do their own thing regardless. Which isn't nothing imho, even if something else might have been more ideal.

  • Why not take an existing client like Voyager, and add the features that you are missing?

    This is exactly what I am doing for "easier onboarding". I am working on a fork of Voyager, learning my way through React Native and ionic, and adding support for Fediverser to it.

    • That’s a great point! I kinda want to write my own client, but I haven’t ruled out contributing to Voyager. It’s very possible I totally fail, learn from my mistakes, and bring what I’ve learned to an existing app like Voyager.

      • I kinda want to write my own client

        Fair enough, every developer goes through that.

        At the same time... If this is your primary motivation I would feel like there is no point in you asking for "feedback" because you are essentially looking for validation.

        I don't mean to pick on you, I just wish we collectively learned to stop this. So much effort is wasted by individuals who want to prove something to themselves and want to go out on their own, it feels like FOSS alternatives would be 20 years in the future if put worked together on 2-3 alternatives instead of 20-30 disparate projects.

        If you are okay with reconsidering your position... go to Voyager's discussion pages on GitHub, there a few issues I opened there and would like to tackle:

        • make it offline-first (probably using something RxJS to store and sync application data and state through different apps)
        • add support to browse subreddits (won't require the API, and to ease the issue of network effects)
        • make it less dependent on the Lemmy API and substitute for straight ActivityPub whenever possible
        • use content-addressable storage for media (IPFS likely, but maybe also webtorrent)

        If any of these things interest you, I'd love to have a longer chat and see if we can work together.

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