6mo ago

Ukrainian boxing champ Wladimir Klitschko calls out Rogan for ‘repeating Russian propaganda’

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Former Ukrainian boxing champion Wladimir Klitschko accused podcaster Joe Rogan of “repeating Russian propaganda” after Rogan criticized U.S. military aid to Ukraine and suggested it could escalate into World War III.

Klitschko defended Ukraine’s resistance against Russia, highlighting the country’s fight for freedom and condemning Rogan’s remarks as aiding Putin’s agenda.

He invited Rogan to discuss their differences on the podcast “like free men.”

Rogan, who recently endorsed Donald Trump, called the war a “proxy war” and criticized Biden’s decision to allow Ukraine to strike Russian soil with U.S.-supplied missiles.

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Ukrainian boxing champ Wladimir Klitschko calls out Rogan for ‘repeating Russian propaganda’

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Ukrainian boxing champ Wladimir Klitschko calls out Rogan for ‘repeating Russian propaganda’

www.theguardian.com /us-news/2024/nov/25/wladimir-klitschko-joe-rogan-ukraine-russia

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6mo ago

Ukrainian boxing champ Wladimir Klitschko calls out Rogan for ‘repeating Russian propaganda’

www.theguardian.com /us-news/2024/nov/25/wladimir-klitschko-joe-rogan-ukraine-russia

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Joe Rogan is antivax incel cancer
- Hey, don't do cancer dirty like that.
  
  Fuck cancer

I now see Rogan as our generations Rush Limbaugh. He fell so far, I used to enjoy listening to his podcast and now he's just a rich, bitter, insular propaganda mouthpiece.
- Yes, he fell so far. All the way from game show host.
  
  He went from supporting Bernie Sanders to being a fascist bootlicker of the most anti-worker administration ever.
  
  He was great on Newsradio.
  
  He was funny in News Radio. In the before times.
- Crazy that he once had Bernie Sanders on his show and sat there agreeing with him on so many things. I think he also had Andrew Yang on it and nodded his head most of the way through it. I wonder what it was that made him turn to the dark side. For Musk, it was his child transitioning, but for Rogan? No idea...
  
  A few purple haired girlies were mean to him on twitter
  
  It wasn't just Elon's daughter transitioning, Claire dating Chelsea Manning is something else the man child can't handle.
  
  Money, is all about the grift
  
  I've never heard his show but isn't a common critique of him is that he almost never pushes back or questions the guest? He wasn't just agreeing with progressives, he was agreeing with everyone and that eventually turned progressives away from him.
- Yea he had some great guests and it was interesting, now it's Alex jones and right wing shit wagons... it's really fucked.
  But with these comments from him, he can go fuck his self. He's repeating russian propaganda. Fuck him and fuck russia.
  Slava Ukraini

“I listen to your latest podcast,” said Klitschko, whose brother Vitali Klitschko was also a world champion boxer and is now mayor of Kyiv.
“I’m sending you this video to let you know that I disagree. You talk about these American weapons being sent to Ukraine, which you believe will lead to the third world war. So let me tell you that you’re repeating Russian propaganda.”
. . . Rogan said Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was “100% wrong” but remarked of the Ukrainian president: “[Volodymyr] Zelenskyy says Putin is terrified. Fuck you, man. You fucking people are about to start world war three.”
He added: “The whole thing is a proxy war … it is fucking insane.”
Putin has long claimed US assistance for Ukraine is part of a proxy war aimed at weakening Russia.
“Putin’s Russia is in trouble, so they want to scare you and people like you,” Klitschko said in his message to Rogan. “His war was supposed to last three days. It has lasted three years thanks to the heroism and sacrifice of us Ukrainians. So you’re using the only weapon that Putin really intends to use, propaganda, and this weapon really weakens our democracies.
“Putin’s Russia wants to destroy Ukraine quietly. They want America to stay quiet. Not great, but quiet. A great America is not an America that abandons countries that defend freedom with their lives.
“In short, you see, I have quite a few points of difference. If you invite me on your podcast, we could discuss them like free men.”
Brilliant. But someone get him a fediverse account please. It's crazy this is on Xitter.
- I can only imagine how many bots are in the replies of that one
- I hate America being world police but we are supposed to ally with democracy. That’s the whole reason we didn’t defend the government of France against the people of France.

I have recently been trying to enlighten my Joe Rogan loving relative as to his (what I would consider, clear) political leanings and tendency to spew propaganda. "I'm just asking questions" is one of the most powerful propaganda tactics, since it can be used to relatively quickly normalize any topic.
As one might expect, the conversations haven't gone well. People who listen to Joe Rogan tend to think they are well informed by virtue of listening to Joe Rogan.
I think collectively we need to start referring to him only as "the former host of Fear Factor" to really drive home exactly who it is these people are idolizing.
- former host of Fear Factor
  That's like the most respectable job he has had so far
  
  I've said it before, but he was good in Fear Factor. I don't like Rogan, but it's like this man was born to convince aspiring actors and models to eat maggoty cheese or sort tarantulas with their mouths.
  "C'mon, man. I know you want that key!!! Get in there!!! Pick up those spiders. You've only got seven and you need at least nine to beat Brock. The clock is counting!!!"
  
  "Least funny member of Newsradio" might be better.
  
  He played the dumb guy on News Radio.
  
  He was great in News Radio.
  
  And it is arguably televised torture
- I watched a lot of early Rogan.. And even though he was an idiot, there were so many wonderful conversations with interesting people.
  Then came the likes of Jocko Willink, and slowly you saw more right wing people creep into his orbit. The early Peterson was even fun to listen to and said some good stuff.. but the conversation became more political, more right wing and in my opinion less interesting... Just regurgitation of right wing talking points. Once Rogan was in talks with Spotify.. there was nothing interesting left. Rogan probably got info from Spotify on demographics, targeting, subjects that do best and decided a 100 million was enough to sell gis soul. Then by constantly being in the same room with the ghouls and smelling their farts.. they managed to convince him the farts smelled nice.
  
  Nothing to add here, except that I also watched early Rogan. Totally agree that there was a significant shift.
- Tonight, Dana White-lite discusses foreign policy and top 3 choke-holds

Like my dad taught me, give bullies everything they want all the time so they don't take stuff or hurt you.

Joe Rogan can eat a dick
- The episode of Fear Factor he was always meant for.

Klitschko should invite Rogan into a boxing ring.
- I have watched Klitschko in the ring at Madison Square Garden. He's a modern day Heracles. Insane upper body strength.

If Rogan accepts him on his show, I'll actually gain a touch of respect for him.
- In my eyes it is the opposite.
  Klitschko is a heavy weight world champion, Rogan should be excited to have him.
  If he ignores it, it will be a clear signal that he isn't independent as he claims to be, but also gets paid to spread Russian propaganda.
  I don't see how one would reject such guest unless the goal is spreading disinformation.
  
  Yeah, especially since Rogan is supposedly a sports fan himself.
  
  He is not paid by the Russian propaganda. He is honest in his beliefs.
  He is a prime example of a person that is not a bad person per se, but just too dumb to understand the complexities and chaotic nature of the world. So they invent shortcuts in their brain, the same kind right wing demagogues are pushing. It is inevitable that he becomes a right wing propagandist.

Bless this guys heart, but after the Dibble affair it is clear there is no point debating insane positions in front of an insane audience.

- Broprah, that's good 😂

Klitschko v Rogan is a celebrity fight I'd actually like to see.

Rogan was paid off by the Trump campaign which is owned by Putin. So Rogan is now Russian asset. Cool.

I’m interested to see how JR responds. I heard the “Kamala was a chicken” line pre-election because she avoided him, for whatever reason. Now the tables have been turned! It’s a win-win for me because either I can sing out “Rogan is a chicken” or he actually has a discussion with Klitschko and many will have their positions challenged.

I would ppv to see this guy smash rogan's face.
With facts and logic. And his fists.

Challenge the pipsqueak to a boxing match. If he accepts or demurs he still looks like the twerp he is

I thought they meant Vitali, but I didn't know his brother was a boxer too.

Why is "proxy war" in scare quotes?
It's just a war where at least one of the belligerents is supported by at least one third party. Is there anyone who doubts that the Ukraine war meets any part of that definition?
- Because Ukraine isn't a proxy and neither is Russia.
  
  I get that people don't want to associate Ukraine with the US's horrible track record with proxy wars but the term is still just a dry political definition and the Ukraine war fits it perfectly.
  It would stop being a proxy war if the US (and everyone else) cut off funding or if they actually engaged in hostilities. As long as the US (or any nation) aids Russia or Ukraine without directly participating, it's a proxy war because that's how proxy wars are defined.
- I don’t consider it a proxy war.
  Ukraine isn’t a US proxy nor is Russia anyone’s proxy.
  
  I'm not sure why people keep saying this.
  A proxy war has nothing to do with either side being "a proxy." It only means that one of the sides is being supported by some nations that's not part of the war. That's very obviously the case here.
- Because proxy wars are deeply associated with the Cold War era of superpowers funding long and brutal wars. The problem is that the Ukraine war is closer to the lend lease portion of WWII, we’re putting our thumb on the scale, but it’s an economic strategy as much as a geopolitical one.
  
  That makes it even more like a proxy war.
  The cold war era proxy wars were all about saving Democracy and the "free world". We funded one war after an other under the "domino theory." Those are the same arguments we hear today except we've replaced USSR with Russia and Communist with Authoritarian. The message is the same; we don't want to get involved directly but we'll support this country as a bastion against world domination.
  Some of the aid to Ukraine is structured as loans with expedited provisions to forgive the loans and some of it is outright grants. The US made a lot of money off of the lend lease program to the UK. I haven't ready any analysis that suggests that the US expects to make any money off of Ukraine.
  This is much more like our support of Afghanistan than our support of the UK.

Hier kommt die Sonne.
Edit: No Rammstein fans here? I feel so alone now.

Yeah, saying the truth about Ukraine is the fastest way to get someone to call you a Russian bot. Even suggesting Zelenskyy should hold elections or allow opposition parties/media will piss off nafo stans.
- Fuck off, Russian bot
  
  There it is. If “hold elections” sets you off, you’re backing a dictator.
- And what do you think about Russia's fake elections? What do you think about what happened to Navalny?
  
  I think they’re a fascist oligarchy.
  I’m gonna blow your mind here: you don’t have to support Russia to oppose the Nazi puppet government in Ukraine.

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