Liz Cheney Was an Electoral Fiasco for Kamala Harris
Liz Cheney Was an Electoral Fiasco for Kamala Harris
Conservatives backed Trump by bigger percentages than in 2020. And time spent with Cheney prevented Harris from reaching out to the voters she needed.
Anyone who sits here and claims that they were going to vote for Harris, but Liz Cheney showing up with her one time was just a bridge too far to the point where they were willing to let Trump return to power never had an intent of voting for Harris in the first place.
Did you read the article? And if so, was it before or after constructing your straw man?
Not the OP, but I started reading it, and the first sentence is starting the bullshit already.
Conservatives backed Trump by bigger percentages than in 2020.
There were 1 million more votes for Trump than in 2020, while there were 14 million fewer votes for Harris compared to Biden. So while it's technically true it's ignoring the damned elephant in the room. 13 million people didn't sit out this election or switch sides because of Liz Cheney.
If the very first sentence is already this disingenuous, the rest of the article isn't even worth wasting my time.
There were too many straws, bricks, pianos, etc. to determine which one finally destroyed that camel.
But dick cheney is a pretty massive weight, especially when the camel is running over the left.
But dick cheney is a pretty massive weight, especially when the camel is running over the left.
The logic just doesn't make even the least bit of sense.
What you're telling me is that people were planning on voting for Harris. They liked Harris' policies and knew what a Trump presidency would bring. But because Liz Cheney -- a woman, remember, who sacrificed her own standing in the Party and torpedoed her own political career in order to stand up to Trump and try to give legitimacy to the J6 hearings -- showed up to one of her rallies and endorsed her, that was such an insult and affront to them on a personal level that they were willing to sit at home in protest and hand the country over to Trump. That doesn't even pass the smell test. Those people were never going to vote for Harris anyway. Cheney was just a convenient excuse.
You don't have to like Liz Cheney. God knows I don't agree with her on a single political issue. But Liz Cheney wasn't running for office. Liz Cheney is a far-right nutjob, but even she's giving MAGA the side-eye. It's a prime example of winning the battle but losing the war. Sometimes, you have to look at the bigger picture, and in some battles, you need to accept that the enemy of your enemy sometimes really is your friend, if only for a little while.
It's not like Harris picked Cheney for VP or something.
That ain't a strawman. It's calling a spade a spade.
Yup. All the bad actors that don’t want American politicians reaching across the aisles. They will pretend they were totally gonna vote but now they have to let facism win to take the moral high ground.
Dems: Republicans are Nazis
Also Dems: we're campaigning with Republicans!
Two points:
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all Nazis are fascists but not all fascists are Nazis. Nazis liked public works projects and pretending to be socialists, both of which are anathema to the American Fascist Party
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The ones campaigning with Republicans stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the fact that Republicans are fascists.
Other than the campaigning with the politically identical daughter of a war criminal, admitting that it consists of giving concessions to fascists is SUPER inconvenient for the party pretending that "bipartisanship" is the greatest political virtue.
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Dems: We will never bow down to fascists!
Also Dems: We love to reach across the aisle, we can build some of the border wall!
Dems: Trump is quoting Hitler and his followers are enjoying it.
Also Dems: Look how many former Trump supporters love us! That means we'll will!
Why do try to get the "ravid racist redneck" vote instead of a united front to stop fascists by giving aid to BIPOC, women, and queers?
No she wasn't. She was an excellent symbol that even crazy, hard-line conservatives know trump is insane.
Kamala lost because she did what Democrats always do: ignore progressives and go hard right. If she had played to the god damn left like she should have, Liz Cheney would give that some real depth.
It still did, but less, due to the lack of going left. Liz didn't cost anybody shit.
You know you're contradicting yourself, right?
Actively embracing the daughter with identical politics of Dick Cheney IS going hard right.
It may say "sane Republicans oppose Trump", but it also says "we are so obsessed with winning over the Right that we'll endorse people who are against everything we pretend to believe in while ignoring the Left that we're pretending to represent"
It didn't "add depth", it made obvious their hypocrisy and lack of regard for policy that affects the lives of regular people more than those of themselves and their owner donors.
I mentioned this in a comment last week and was called a sexist for not supporting women, because I dared to say a Cheney endorsement was bad for Dems.
All those Republican dog whistles they kept blowing, Boasting about all those Republican endorsements while shifting the party hard to the right only got them 5% of the Republican vote and cause them to lose the election. Even paying for a bunch of celebrity endorsements didn't help them. They are a joke of a party and need to be abandoned.
- The article argues campaigning with Liz Cheney seems to have no effect. Calling it an "electoral fiasco," especially in the headline, clearly implies that it was detrimental in a significant way.
- The evidence that the rallies were ineffective is comparing Harris's results against Biden's. This is terrible analysis. This should be at least a difference-in-difference comparison (the difference in the change vs Biden, using similar counties that were/weren't visited). Useful evidence that their analysis actually works would be applying it to strategies they think were positive, and showing the relative improvement there.
No. Fucking. Shit.
In a long line of idiotic missteps and stupid fucking decisions, this was up there with every other contending for first place in an endless line of mistakes.
I'm done with this "oopsie! We made a mistake" bullshit. The DNC can fuck off. They don't represent me. Liz Cheney and her ghoul of a father even less-so.
God damn this moronic timeline.
Duh. We said that on day 0 of it happening.
Granted, when saying that we were all down-voted to oblivion by Blue MAGA apologists who "knew better" and were telling us that voters just needed accept what the Democrats were serving, but then, here we are. Living the outcome of a strategy that directly contributed to the downfall of the idea of western Liberal Democracy.
The brain worm that ate NPR liberals brains on the issue of "strategic voting", as if they had a strategic thought in their head, needs to routed out and crushed in the dirt.
I really doubt this had anything to do with it. Why would dems give a shit if Cheney was like “for gods sake vote for anyone but Trump - at least Kamala is sane”?
A lot of people are like "if someone as evil as Cheney is endorsing Harris that's not a good sign, and if Harris is actively bringing her on stage and talking about how great she is that's DEFINITELY not a good sign"
I said exactly those things and got downvoted to oblivion here
Nobody gave a shit but a handful of people in left-wing forums like this. And I doubt any stayed home or voted Trump over it.