JD Vance says US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms

www.independent.co.uk JD Vance says US could veto NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms

Republican vice presidential nominee says ‘Germans and other nations’ – not Russia – would ‘have to fund Ukraine’s reconstruction’

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JD Vance said that ‘American power comes with certain strings attached’
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Not even in office yet, and already making threats.
I’d like to see Europe tell Vance to fuck off. I suspect that if Europe gives in now, the Trump administration will make this same threat every time Europe does something he doesn’t like.
Trump will be an unreliable NATO ally anyway, so it isn’t much of a risk on Europe’s part.
- Don't negotiate with terrorists
- And this was from September so not even elected yet.
  Tbh it kinda sounds like they just want to leave NATO regardless.
  
  I get the same feeling, too. They’re just looking for an excuse to ditch Europe - perhaps as a sacrifice to Putin.
  
  Ofc they won't SAY that - they'll talk about "what a fantastic savings it will be, to not spend that money", and probably they'll work up gently to the point of sending US citizens to become meat shields like the North Koreans and so many others lately. But at each stage, it will always be what "we" wanted to do - it's "our" idea to do it, I tell you!?
- I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls the US out of NATO and the UN, since he hates both organizations.
  
  I'd be amazed if he does any of it tbh. Last time he just spent most of it playing golf, and sticking his goofy-ass signature on anything they stick in front of him.
  The last thing they want to do is actually deal with the boogeyman issues. If they did that they'll have nothing to campaign on next time.
  Most of this will be spent lining their own pockets.
  
  This is such an optimistic take. I am very concerned they will spend the next 4 years making sure whatever election we have next is more similar to a Russian “election”.
  
  Why wouldn't they try? They've done everything they could so far and face no repercussions, why not go ahead and try to be king? A few people will fret and tut-tut but if nobody is going to do anything it doesn't amount to much.
  
  Well, Trump specifically may not try because the risk/reward isn't really good for him.
  As it stands, he gets to declare an unambiguous "victory" where he won at life. He got to be president with ultimately a clean sweep of the swing states and the popular vote and served as many terms as he is allowed to serve. Thanks to the rules, he doesn't need to compete again, and he can stop even pretending to work after 4 years.
  Meanwhile, a push to establish him as "dictator for life" might at best buy him another few years in office before his health will fail. Such an effort comes with high risk, of him going down in history as more of a "bad man", of personal risk for being targeted by violence.
  Now JD Vance might be game to make a go of it, he's got decades left in the tank. Of course broadly speaking there's a balance of power, with those currently in power relatively comfortable knowing that the vote serves as a nice way to get pushed out of office before people get pissed enough to put you in real physical danger. Plenty of opportunities to be self-serving with a pretty safe retirement should things start going awry. Fanaticism can drive people to go further, but I would like to think a pragmatic person with a sense of self-interest can see the value in a peaceful voting out versus having those same millions of people losing their political voice.
  
  This shit is so naive.
  
  The fact that he'll spend all his time playing golf or whatever will leave ample room for all his appointees to actually govern. It's not Trump we should be worried about.
  
  This is so naive. They literally told us exactly what they will do, and it literally has "2025" in the title. We need to listen to them when they tell us what they are going to do.
  
  Didn't congress make it practically impossible to pull out of nato now?
  
  Republicans will control Congress. I'm sure they'll be fine rolling anything back.
  
  Do you not understand what the word "dictator" means? He told us what he's going to be. Congress is irrelevant, and if it continues to exist, it will be to rubber stamp, at best.
  
  If I recall correctly countries can't withdrawl from the UN without their approval
  Problem is though that the un-united dystopia of america could cause issues in the UN
  
  The US pulling out of the UN would allow them to pass all sorts of cool stuff, like recognizing and admitting Palestine and calling for a ceasefire, recognizing the universal rights of children, and condemning the far-right, all of which the US used its veto power to stop against overwhelming support on the other side.
- It's going to be a hell of a long 4 years, for America and the rest of the world. Damn.
- They should do this with Sanctions.
- EU countries could start by carryng their weight in NATO.
  Ukraine war exposed EU as incoherent imbeciles unable to maintain a proper security posture, esp Germany and their Nazis nepo baby regime... Straight 🤡
  Vance behavior is out of line but you need to check that bravado that is not support by anything.
  Pay for your own defense and help Ukraine properly... This is your fucking war that was caused by German being a Putin's bitch. Industrial economy relying on a geopolitical adversery for energy while 40k American protect it from Russia for free. Classic parasite behavior.
  Mutti merkal so good 🤡
  
  The EU has by now significantly outpaid the US, and out-supported the US in Ukraine. However, for historical reasons, it lacks certain items which Ukrainians badly need (tactical ballistic missiles and anti-missile defense, to bring good examples).
  On the matter of aircraft, I should especially emphasize that EU countries have given fighter aircraft, but the US has not. The US is currently attempting to get through the bureaucracy of approving a Swedish AWACS aircraft (with some US components) going to Ukraine.
  Educate thyself here, military people use this resource and approve of it:
  https://protectukrainenow.org/en/report
  
  You offended a bunch of Germans here. Don't forget the Americans are sitting in Germany mostly to bomb Syrian kids though, they're not defending Europe from anything.
  
  You offended a bunch of Germans here.
  Maybe they will get in their dense authority bootlicking brains that their political leadership has fumble Germany's geo politcal posture for benefit of oligarch's who seed wealth came largely from slave labour during the third reich.
  These oligarchs sold German geopoltics our for cheap Russian gas, they obstruct proper policy vis-a-vis Russia because they want a "rapprochement" jfc...
  Nahh.. instead they get butthurt... me country good 🤡
  Pathetic.
  In US at least critically thinking people US ourselves for what we are... A global empire with all the bullshit that it entails. Having to dance around German's sensibilities online...
  Get a fucking clue...
  
  Oh dear, spilled koolaid all down your straight jacket

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