A gentle reminder to not blame your allies today. The only person you should blame for Harris's loss is Kamala Harris (and maybe Joe Biden).
cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/16919445
Nah I'm going to blame 70+ million Americans who chose a racist, sexist felon, fraud, rapist fascist over a black moderate woman.
I blame the 70ish million who decided the whole voting scene just wasn't for them.
(And the misogyny. Holy shit the misogyny)
I'm sure misogyny also played a big role in her numbers. But if Harris firmly opposed any material or diplomatic support for genocide, then she probably would have won despite the misogynists, no?
No
There are not 5 million people sitting around who give a shit about any of that
The problem was the one-third of eligible people who didn't vote, the people who wanted an immaculate president, and when they didn't get it, took a stupid, petulant moral high ground. Abstention and voting in protest only helps the enemy.
Anyone who thinks the Gaza situation or the treatment of muslims will improve under Trump is a fucking moron.
This is nonsense sorry. Polls shows 50:50 split between Dems and Rep, but the reality is 1/3:1/3 with 1/3 of the electorate and disengaged. The voters aren't the problem, it's the fucked up 2 party system which has been massaged by both parties over many decades to prevent any competition.
Why should voters feel loyal to either of those parties? Don't blame voters for not wanting to chose between two crap choices. To many, both the Dems and Reps are the enemy. Why expect them to care if one side or the other think there is an existential crisis in the shitty system they shaped?
I think people just want a president who doesn't materially support genocide. If that is too high a bar, then your country deserves what it gets.
Then why did they vote for Trump?
You know, the the one who's actions and words nearly mirror the key architect of the main genocide people think off when it comes up.
NOTHING in Trumps policy, actions and concept-of-plan tells me Gaza would be any better off under him, and there are significant signs it will be worse, wider spread and include Ukraine, Taiwan and the US itself.
If your choices are between honest genocide and dishonest genocide I guess people will choose the side with more virtues.
Glad to hear you liberals finally outright say arabs and Muslims are fucking morons and took a petulant high ground instead of.... Voting for their own genocide.
You all continue to improve you're just as racist as red maga, with more condescension.
Since when are people who facilitate fascism my allies?
How did you misread that this meme implied Harris was your ally?
I blamed the DNC
https://democrats.org/contact-us/
You can put a made up email as long as it fits the xxx@yyy.com scheme.
I told them all to resign and congratulated them on chasing the mystical moderate all the way off a cliff
Blame the Democratic party and Joe Biden. They didn't put anyone serious up during the primaries against him, they held out from replacing Biden until the last minute and then they lumped Harris with his campaign and no time.
Biden should have stood aside last year (as many voices pushed for), and then the party's bets and brightest should have been given the chance to be the candidate. It might have been Harris, who knows, but whoever it was would then have had the whole of 2024 to establish a narrative and tackle Trump.
And maybe a freshcandidate could have broken through on the most important topic to voters: the economy.
It's wild how for months leading up to the election there were reports and reports on how the economy is doing great. People who pointed out that they weren't seeing it personally were belittled as not understanding the big picture. And now this election was lost because of economy - one side that I guess didn't say too much about what could improve (there was a lot on Harris' site and policies about it, but I guess that was too much for voters). And the other side who said the same thing as before, "going to have a beautiful economy, the greatest ever seen. No one knew it could be so good."
Well, let's do another four years, see what burns down this time.
the democrat leadership is to blame. i bet they'll run further right with republicans next election cycle. nowadays it seems they dont care about policies anymore, all they know is just running around shouting things like "abortion!" "trump bad".
Seeing that Trump was voted and looking at the utter bullshit that came put of his holes... What makes you think that anything they said was the reason?
I get it, Trump says insane shit. But the undeniably truth is that it doesn't matter, pointing out Trump is bullshiting everyday won't help (but calling out his bullshit is still needed). Democrats need good policies to energize its own base. Joe Biden already has a very low-level approval rating, they need something new, something can resonate with voters, yet Kamala basically ran the campaign like "i'm just like joe biden". (or even worse on things like border).
And the efforts of foreign influence.
The best part is she could’ve even lied to get the votes. It’s not like it’s unprecedented.
And Americans say where they lived is primarily based on climate change, but then move to the worst areas for climate change. I don't give two shits what people say.
I sincerely hope that Penn. residents in that survey get the policy on Palestine that they voted for.
100%.
This is a shit take.
She lost because she's a woman.
She was never running against Trump. She was running against equality and misogyny. And she lost. In 2024, she lost to misogyny.
Jfc.
Shiitake 🍄
She lost for a lot of reasons. OP has one of them. You have another. Both are valid and work to partially explain her loss.
But honestly, significantly lower turnout by Dems this cycle seems to be the underlying cause of her loss. Whether that stems from Israel (or her gender, or her unwillingness to distance herself from Biden, or her inability to don the mantle of a populist in an age where populism is ousting governments all over the world, or her campaign's difficulty in countering Republican messaging effectively, or a million other reasons you could invent) is debatable, and probably will be picked apart and analyzed by people far more qualified than I and probably also you. There are studies to be made, data to gather, and so on.
Blaming everything on a single cause based on vibes is fine, rhetorically. And I wish Dems did more of that, because it is effective messaging, and it's certainly true that this country still has a misogyny problem. But if you're interested in understanding and picking apart the actual causes of Harris's loss, then being open minded does help. And the rhetoric can be saved for a forum where it is more likely to piss off a Trump voter.
Yeah, because foreign policy decisions should definitely be made based on poll numbers.
I don't like our unconditional support of Israel, but this is a bad take.
So your take is America shouldn't be a Democracy when it comes to how we interact with other counties? Bold.
That's exactly my point. We are not a democracy where every decision is put to a poll (especially not a poll made by some private group).
We are a representative republic where we elect leaders who are trusted to make decisions on policy in accordance to their beliefs and stated policy positions when they were elected.
If you think we live in an absolute democracy, that's pretty bold.
Yes, they should be. What the fuck are you talking about about?
Everything should be decided by poll numbers. That's the point of democracy, to vote for polices and decisions. If more people recognize we did a genocide and want us to stop doing said genocide a presidential candidate that wants easy votes might want to pledge to stop doing a genocide.
So in your view, she bears zero responsibility for promising to continue foreign policies that remain deeply unpopular among her own voter base? She was aware this was an election, right?