Users in hexbear wiping their hands of the guilt of election outcome because Palestine
Essentially, there have been two reactions over on grad today:
I'm foreign so I'm keeping out of the inevitable political arguments. Just be mindful of the rules and report those who break em
"There wasn't a no genocide option, so I decided the more genocide option was fine."
The lives of minorities aren't worth a handful of minutes to tankie fucks.
"I'm white and don't care, so what's the difference between one genocide and three?"
Millions of lives.
But drag, how can we pretend to be superior to other leftists, if we aren't enabling greater amounts of genocide? /s
If we forget the polarisation, could we kiss both slurping on the same 30ct instant ramen noodle? 👉 👈 (srs)
This was my ex. A single issue voter about a war another country is waging. Fuck Israel but got damn letting Ukraine die because of your fuckin morals is ridiculous.
Lefties suck, they don't have their way and don't vote. This is why no progress happens.
Agreed
I wouldn't call people like that a leftist. Left is progress, Right is conservatism. Their choices led to less progress so they're not lefties.
They're simply not very smart, and they're impatient like children.
Imagine using JucheStalin unironically as your username...
In what way can you purge slavs more/faster than NK purges non-Juche Koreans?
Turbo-kim
The tide is sure as fuck going to be shifted. They got that part right.
If you want a preview about how any of these dummies that are actually in the US are going to behave, look for the reaction of the civilian Germans after World War 2. For the most part, it was, "This is awful and unfair, I can't believe they would be so mean to us, when we didn't even do anything."
That reaction was tune down, due to the country being occupied. It pretty much took the Nazis having to shut up for a few decades, by threat of prison to end up with a somewhat pro democracy population.
I struggle to understand how they're so delusional about their number of potential fighters.
Except not like germany because American Exceptionalism
Please do not compare Nazi Germany to the US. The Holocaust was and is very real to a lot of people and you are disrespecting those who were murdered.
You can hate the US all you want. Just don't casually about talk Nazi Germany like it was some random historical event. Millions of people died.
There are people who went through the holocaust who compared Trump in 2016 to Hitler. They, if anyone, understand the gravity of the comparison, and made it a little bit carefully. But they said that the way he speaks, the way everyone who is his enemy is an animal who must be destroyed, is very similar.
I'd like to spin your argument into the other direction.
During the 3rd Reich and the years leading up to it, Hitler used the financial crisis, poverty and unemplyment to emtionalize people in order to make them vote for the NSDAP. His party/regime used a psudoscientific and non-factual ideology to dehumanize a part of the population. In this case most prominently jews but other ethnicities, gays, lesbians, disabled, too.
Let's compare this to Trump and see how accurate the comparison is. There is a financial crisis right now, not as bad as the great depression, but a lot of people in America struggle to meet month's end from what I understand. Trump uses this, talking about tarrifs and boosting the american economy. He also doesn't rely on facts or logic in his program. He claims bizarre things like "windmills will give you cancer through the sound they emit" to push against renewable energy and the protection of climate and nature. He also dehumanizes parts of the american population. In his first term he banned Muslims from entering the US. using the already very latent distrust/ hate against the muslim population. He called for a wall on the mexican border, claiming mexican immigrants are through and through criminals, alledgedly endangering US citizens, when in actuality southern states are highly dependent on these immigrants to take low wage jobs in agriculture. Also, as laughable as it is: "They eat the cats" is part of that, too. He also has follows an anti-lgbtq+ ideology.
Hitler of coursed lived in a different time and people back then faced slightly different problems, but the patterns are similar. The goals are similar. They both follow an ideology that values people differently, based on percieved usefullness to a nationalist image of society.
Not comparing right-extremist leaders to the third Reich, not holding them up against that is, disrespectful to those who suffered. Trump has not comitted a genocide, but the ideology he popularized opens the gates far and wide for abuse of any kind. So I believe that we should compare him to Hitler to make it very clear where his actions could very realistically lead.
Look, I also thought the whole "don't vote" schtick was kinda annoying, but personally, I place most of the blame on:
a) those who actually pursued this outcome (fascists)
and
b) the DNC for their limp-dicked campaign strategy of being the Republicans-but-less-so while appealing to institutionalist values within an extremely populist cultural zeitgeist
appealing to institutionalist values within an extremely populist cultural zeitgeist
I feel this so much in my fucking bones. They've been doing that since Hillary's campaign. I think I've given up hope that they'll learn, considering they've had this long already.
It's not just grad and hexbear. Beehaw is doing it too.
Positive vibes only space, my ass.
Update: I never wanna hear anybody talk about how cool drag is ever again
"Don't you remember how hyperbolic we were about McCain and Romney?"
No, I remember exactly what I said about Romney. That I feared his administration would bring in decreased workers' rights, a damaged economy, and damage positive US influence on the world stage.
God, I hate these fuckwits trying to play 'Trump is just another Republican' games. In 2016, maybe it was forgivable in a stupid kind of way. Not now.
Blocked that annoying drag attention seeker long ago. But damn that’s incredibly violent comment and especially in beehaw
Update: I never wanna hear anybody talk about how cool drag is ever again
I mean...drag is correct. The American fascist party has captured all three branches in entirety and announced that they will be ending democracy and committing genocide. So, I don't see where you're having a problem with drag's statement, unless you're trying to avoid self-reflection and taking responsibility for your own actions.
I don't really think other Lemmy instances actually benefit from being federated with Beehaw - communities that ignore off-site downvotes are able to spread propaganda with far less effort than it takes the admins of other instances to delete it.
Their non-political communities are definitely alright.
Drag is literally breaking serious laws lol, inb4 we get another arrest video comparable to ChrisChan's conclusion.
They helped genocide Palestinians!
Tankies have blood on their hands.
At least trump will curb stomp all the domestic tankies 🤷
Likely they will be spared as long as they're doing a terrific job at hurting the left in every way possible. Fidesz actually paid off the debts of a Tankie party, now they're one of the satellites of that far-right party.
That's hilarious, and matches my idea of what communist parties can tend to be like.
"I don't really believe in voting"
I know.
You believe in "left leaning" authoritarian military dictatorships that pay lip service to communism or whatever alternative political ideology you espouse, where the only left leaning thing about them is telling the people that their practical enslavement through disciplinary labor measures is necessary and good for them all.
We did it, Patrick! We saved Gaza!
Regarding third parties, leftists like to claim this giant reservoir of support just if Democrats listened to them, but they never show up in an election at all. Jill Stein and other leftist candidates didn't win even a percent of the vote. Trump won an outright majority of the popular vote.
Why listen to a group that's just a blip?
Exactly. There's not much split vote because people listened, there's no record low turnout from the looks of it so far, Democrats is set to lose no matter what because majority of american went out and voted for trump. Lefties always twist the fact to fit their view.
Probably a bunch of foreign agents over there anyways, doubt they got their hands on any ballots.
Lemmy: you should vote
Russians: Don't mind if I do
(This is a joke as I'm not aware of any election tampering by Russia)
"stupid idiot victim of the system. why don't you commit politically motivated violence like a cool person"
«I actually punched a sexist at a concert once, I'm doing infinitely more for the cause than your bullshit 'voting'.»
The women, immigrants, trans and minorities of the US thanks you Hexbear! You've shown those damn liberals how to make the world a better place! Jeffrey Epstein's closest friend will be saving Palestine any day now, just watch him.
They prop up whatever the Russian troll factories prop up. You can tell by what's unsaid, how much less of a problem they have with Trump.
Don't give a single fucking shit about anything but performative ideology.
I have very little time for the sort of oik that treats reality like something they view from an emperor's box.
Don't blame at all trumps voters, nooo, you need guilty somewhere else 🙄🙄.
Don't put a vote system, if you can't choose your favorite candidate 🙄🙄...
The primary contradiction (settler colonialism)
Isn't PSL the only who stared in the hit classic movie Elf?
I know you're all going to have to get this out of your system, so go ahead. Mock the leftists who stubbornly refused to vote for Kamala. Assign the blame for fascism taking over on those who could not see past their principles to the bigger picture (at least, as you see it). Eventually, you're going to have to move on and acknowledge that the blame cannot fall solely on them.
I voted for Kamala Harris. I, like most of you, felt strongly that doing so was necessary to prevent a far worse outcome. In the short term. The truth is, those that you mock for failing to see what was so plain to you were looking past it to an even larger picture, and that is why they could not see the strategic necessity of their vote. Why they chose not to see it, just as many of you choose not to see something that is very plain to them, the inevitability of this outcome.
Kamala Harris began her campaign to thunderous applause from those who were hopeful that the Democratic Party was finally embracing progressive ideals, only to then abandon and insult those very same hopefuls while moving further to the right than even Biden dared go. Kamala Harris then also proceeded to approach the economically anxious right with the same limp-wristed and tired economic messaging that has consistently failed to address the concerns of the working class. She campaigned as a moderate old Republican, the very same that the Republican electorate abandoned in favor of Trump.
A large number of progressives and radical leftists saw this and surrendered. They sacrificed their hope for change and reform to preserve their principles, and embraced accelerationism where previously they resisted it. I felt what they felt but held onto hope not because I truly believed Kamala Harris would turn around, but because I feared that we were not ready. I voted for Kamala Harris because I wanted to buy just a little more time, but fascism is here now, and we've run out of time.
Accept responsibility, stop assigning blame, we can't afford to. Accept responsibility not because you are at fault, but because no one else will.
embraced accelerationism where previously they resisted it
The "some of you will die but that's a sacrifice that I'm willing to make" strategy that has no historical evidence, and in in fact a fair amount of counter evidence, that it had ever worked? That's a bold move cotton. I sure am glad that people that I love and care about are all but certain to see untimely deaths because of it.
Accept responsibility, stop assigning blame, we can't afford to. Accept responsibility not because you are at fault, but because no one else will.
Way ahead of you.
I made it clear that I don't agree with their decision. I despise accelerationism as much as you do. I am trying to make the point that those who made the decision not to vote or to vote third party were driven to do so by a variety of factors that could have been avoided.
They should accept responsibility for the consequences of their decisions, but many of them are not, and it's fair to be frustrated with that. Another who will not accept responsibility for this outcome is the Democratic party, and they will be very happy to shift blame to leftists who did not vote.
Yep still gonna mock those Dems that didn't vote for Kamela. The only ppl who won here are old ppl with money.
The only good thing I can take from that election is that Israel will be better off now.
Even as someone who supports Israel, I'm not sure that emboldening wannabe dictator Bibi and his even more insane coalition partners further is good for Israel. Israel should be allowed to destroy the rapist horde that is Hamas. Israel should not be allowed to expand their illegal settlements (quite the opposite in fact) or to annex Gaza/the West Bank, but that's exactly what Trump's administration is gonna encourage.
