Microsoft wants $30 to let you keep using Windows 10 securely for another year
Microsoft wants $30 to let you keep using Windows 10 securely for another year
Remember when Microsoft said Windows 10 would be the last version of Windows?
The last usable windows, maybe
Hmm, but did they say the last version of Windows, or the last version of Windows you're going to buy? And if it's the latter, is the upgrade to Windows 11 free? If yes, then technically it's still correct.
Remember when Billiam Gates said nobody would ever need more than 640kb of RAM?
Yup, then Javascript was invented
What we never needed was his billionaire ass.
I mean, that was back when if you wanted a home computer, you were building it yourself from parts from Radio Shack. Not exactly the same thing. I'm not certain that even Apple had the Apple 1 out at that point. I know they hadn't made the Mac 128k, and weren't going to for several years.
I haven't ever met anyone that thought Bill Gates was prescient, just a lucky businessman.
I 'member.
Twas Dickity 14 or so, and I plan to make good on Microsofts words.
I was wearing an onion on my belt, which was the fashion at the time
Considering that when people paid $100 for that OS they were told that it would be the "last Windows to be released", shouldn't there be a class action lawsuit?
They weren't told that, that was an off-hand comment by an employee (not even a spokesperson) that the media took and ran with. Source:
Right now we're releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we're all still working on Windows 10.
I think they meant "latest" not "last."
“Enrolled PCs will continue to receive Critical and Important security updates for Windows 10; however, new features, bug fixes, and technical support will no longer be available from Microsoft,” explains Yusuf Mehdi, executive vice president and consumer chief marketing officer at Microsoft.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Anyone who's had to open a Microsoft support ticket can assure you technical support is already not available from Microsoft.
You have to be a really, really big company with an established connection with Microsoft to actually talk to the real engineers. Any tier of regular support only gets you the "sfc and clean boot" garbage.
Duh, they want the money
$30 to not have to deal with Windows 11 for another year feels like the deal of the century.
I love how they're like 'but you won't get new features!'. They may have still not figured out that nobody cares about 'new features' being stuffed into the OS, but I guess you can't have everything.
I just want all windows games to run on linux with equivalent performance and without anticheat hurdles. After that happens i'm done with windows.
Honestly, i'm really not that far off as-is. Steam Deck already runs most of my library, it's just the games that don't work with a controller that are a problem.
Consider that Microsoft will have supported Windows 10 for 10 years as of next year, I will say it had a good run. Considering the longest support cycle for an OS I can find that is even remotely usable as a daily is Slackware 14.1, at 9 years, and support ended for that almost a year ago.
Totally thought for a split second that the white thing on the bottom right was the apple logo
If you think that's a good deal, I have some NFTs to sell you.
feels like the deal of the century.
For Microsoft, sure. If they capture all Windows 10 machines, they're in for a $21 billion payday. If they get half of them, $10 billion. A quarter, $5 billion. An eighth, $2.5 billion.
Your $30 in aggregate is only a deal for Microsoft. They'll ask for another $30 a year after that and now you've normalized paying for security updates.
literally feeding the troll.
I think it's fairly optimistic to believe that they'll stop bugging you with the Windows 11 upgrade even if you do pay $30.
A subscription for continued support seems fair. (If there are no ads).
And at this point I don't trust Microsoft to not stuff them in there as a "last update for Windows 10"
Are you serious? It's Microsoft.
No it doesn't. We have any number of free and open source operating systems to choose from that are already more secure. The number of people in a situation where they absolutely need to run Windows specifically is small.
Wait. They want me to pay for something I already paid for?
Well guess my $2.5k new windowless machine is looking better everyday.
You actually paid for Windows?
Oh yeah. Windows XP Professional 64 bit. Each "upgrade" used the same license and never really got screwy until 10. Won't go to 11.
Edit: Actually I don't think I even paid for that, I think it was an OEM license my dad got from his work.
You know what's shocking? I did. I ruined my desktop trying to set it up with some web server functions and wiping it somehow got rid of the license.
And so I paid to get rid of the watermark.. boo!
There you go one last scary story for the season.
You already paid for an extended support contract?
Why l would pay 30$ to dumpester fire OS to use it securely for another year when l could install Linux for free with more than 7 year security? And consumers can only pay for single year. It just shows how M$ doesn't care about their costumers treating them like lab rats.
I switched to Linux myself but can we please stop lying about Linux being a drop-in replacement? There is enough sofware that does not work.
A lot of Linux users here think the conversation begins and ends with game support. A lot of us use our computers for work and there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not play nice with Linux. I've probably said this a dozen times here before but I'll say it again: Not all of us use our computers solely for gaming.
Absolutely. Especially software that has to interface with specific hardware, which often times can have issues working properly with Windows VMs.
I can just dedicate some old hardware for baremetal Win10, but not everyone has that luxury.
There is enough sofware that does not work
What Linux software doesn't work?
It comes with a free frozen yogurt. That Microsoft calls frogurt.
..........you sob, I'm in.
His name is Neil!
Thank you for your service to Linux adoption o7
Microsoft got the grift of a century. Make Win11 so bad that people will literally pay you NOT to force them onto it! /s
Seriously though, fuck Microsoft - $30 per year to roll out the occasional security update is obscene! They can go stuff themselves with their $3 trillion market cap
Can I give them 50 dollars and not have to use windows at all?
Better yet: you don't have to pay Microsoft at all to make the switch!
Heck, I’ll let you not use windows for $49.
Isn’t the free market great?
No because platform capitalism has capture tge software ecosystem and leverages you own human capital against you.
Still cheaper than my Arch Premium membership
How do you activate Arch Premium? I got that stupid "Activate" overlay on my desktop.
When you've shown that you're skilled enough, they'll contact you.
The Lords of Arch will let you know when they deem you worthy.
Fuck that. I already paid for the Pro edition of 10 specifically for features Windows 11 doesn't have in any version. IDGAF if it's free; it's not an upgrade. It's a downgrade.
I’m a windows user (on my game computers) and have never paid for windows lawl. I’m not about to start now.
How about I not pay and take my chances...
it's pretty dangerous not to be getting security updates. probably for regular users won't be a big deal. i have a feeling really bad vulnerabilities will be patched even if you don't pay for it just out of a potential PR issue. but i would almost definitely pay this if I were a business who didn't plan on switching to Win 11 soon
on a personal level i don't understand why anyone continues to use windows these days
My company has absolutely no plan for the end of Windows 10. I bet they'll rather throw money at MS than come up with some kind of strategy.
Look at it this way, $30 per machine is a helluva lot cheaper than mitigating whatever 11 will break.
Not to say don't update, but Enterprise works on this stuff in advance, testing their systems with the newest versions as their Betas are released, to develop their mitigation strategies (including staged deployments).
Even there, $30 is cheap insurance if they need a little extra time to address issues.
For the home user, fuck that. Just ensure your security model includes layers, e.g. Don't run as admin, isolate systems that are at risk, etc.
Hell, at home I run different VLANS for my own stuff (cause I do risky things), one for TV (because those things are terrible about security), another one for everyone else, and a guest network.
If you’re somewhat tech savvy, don’t have anything against the high seas and absolutely need Windows, look into Windows 10 LTSC.
Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC specifically
That's a great tip, thanks ! Do you know if I can upgrade my regular Windows 10 to this version without having to uninstall everything ?
While there may be a way to upgrade, general consensus is that it’s not possible and you should reinstall.
Fuck me harder, Daddy Microsoft.
In a way, isn't this just saying windows 11 is not ready as a replacement? Because fuck me my work laptop drives me nutty, IT hasn't locked down all the popups and I can't fix it withut IT..
Man, I would love a follow up on that critical app. When I started in IT we had a sole dev that kept telling IT things couldn't be updated and I guess they never challenged him. One day I got sick of trying to downgrade to 32 bit windows and moving pc's around to for the growing needs of the company while one guy dictated everything has to stay old and shitty. Found out that alot of stuff he claimed could work only on 32 bit windows or server 2003, just needed to be tried on windows 10 or server 2016 and it was fine.
"Please you monsters, just pay, our children are getting older, and it's time they moved out and bought their OWN islands off Seattle!"
Counteroffer - spend that $30 on a drink and turn them down. Just keep on using windows 10 and clog up their support tickets _
I expected them to charge more, to be honest.
like win7 esu subscription?
that was $50 first year, $100 second year, $200 third year, per pc, plus upgrade cost to pro if you had a lesser edition.
Extended updates always cost money, and this is pretty cheap relative to extended support for previous versions of Windows. I don't understand why it's newsworthy?
Windows 10 is nearly ten years old.
This is like people complaining about how Ubuntu 16.04 LTS support ended not long ago (2021-04-29)
Or macOS 10.9 Mavericks (2016-12-01)
Or Android 6.0 (2018-08-01)
Or Debian 8 "Jessie" (2018-06-17)
Or Linux Mint 17 (2019-07-01)
Or Fedora 23 (2016-12-20)
Or Slackware 14.1 (2024-01-01)
Of all of these, not even Slackware comes close to how long Microsoft has supported Windows 10 post release (2015)
To my knowledge upgrading to the newer release of any of those linux distros was not blocked by having only slightly old and perfectly serviceable hardware.
To my knowledge upgrading to the newer release of any of those linux distros did not cost any money to the users, either.
Apple hardware would like to have a word with you.
32-bit -> 64-bit
Yes, but you don't migrate to Windows 11 from those.
I migrated someone running mission critical software off of CentOS 6 this year.
People hate upgrades.
Please just force me to upgrade to Windows 11 already. I'd love to, but my hardware doesn't satisfy some arbitrary requirements they set for Windows 11.
I thought that too, with the TPM thing
Turns out it's just turned off by default on a lot of mobos. You just go into bios and enable it
Then use a program called Rufus to make a bootable flash drive but without all the shite and spyware, and just upgrade W10 to 11 in minutes
Honestly I put it off for ages because of everyone saying how bad it was, turns out they just don't know how to customise it to their liking
Probably spending too much time trying to get their printer to work on Linux lol
My pc auto-upgraded because I donwloaded what I thought was just a regular update. I've been using 11 for like a year already, and it's fine. Install powertoys, run christitus utility... The one thing that really bothered me for a while was not having as granular of a control of my taskbar, but that only lasted for like two weeks.
Mine doesn't satisfy them, either. I switched off TPM in BIOS.
The herd keeps me secure
What Windows 10?🖕🐧
I bet they would be willing to do it right while you are in the middle of something important if you paid them an extra $30 on top of that.
Sounds like they're about to get sued by the EU because they're basically asking you to pay again for a product you have already paid for. Discontinuing a service that was advertised as the "last windows you'll ever need" is one thing, but sending you another bill on a whim is something entirely different. Microsoft might just have ensured the longevity of Win10 for the foreseeable future without making much if any profit from it.
Requiring a support contract to receive continuing updates of software that was very publicly approaching end of support, with published EoL dates for years now does not break any laws.
By that logic, no support contracts are legal in the EU at all, and no product would ever be sunset.
Weird, you'd think that would have been the case when they did the same thing for windows 8, 7, vista, etc...
That was only for businesses that for whatever reason couldn't update to Win10. Normal users weren't eligible to get milked.
e: you guys are no fun at all
But all my Windows VMs are offline and already years out of date? Go home Microsoft.
How about I continue using it forever and I just MIGHT not blow up all your datacenters ?
Anyone still defending Microsoft at this point has cognitive dissonance and deserves what they get. Seriously people - just use Linux. And for the 1% of you that can’t get that 1% of your programs working in Linux - just dual boot.
It’s like people forgot how to use computers.
What am I dual booting if I can't use win10 because it's not secure, and I'm not paying for win11?
You can download the Windows 11 ISO from Microsoft for free. There's a gajillon different ways to activate it for free, too. Most likely it will just activate itself, unless you built the PC.
But if you only need it to run some software, you don't even need to activate it.
A pirated copy of Win 10 LTSC, since it's the only version you should a been tunning any who.
If whatever programs you need don't require internet access and you aren't at risk of evil maid attacks then it hardly matters if win10 isn't secure. It definitely isn't ideal, but if the options are:
A) Do all your personal stuff on linux and only boot w10 when you have to, offline.
B) Only have w10 and run hope.exe for security.
I'd choose A.
This is on anticheat software at this point. “1%” of us can’t play many of our favorite games without dual boot and there are nitpicks with that that suck ass too. VFIO only brings you so far.
Most people who are fed up with Microsofts crap simply don't buy a new computer anymore. They just do everything on an iPad (maybe pro) or similar without Windows. Gamers switch over to consoles, with Nintendo and Steam deck being preferred. Those things may run Linux like the Steam deck or another non Windows OS, but the user won't notice or care since they don't interact with it.
The time of the desktop and to a lesser extent the laptop has come and gone. It's only for enthusiasts and people at work. At work people probably just use the same couple of apps or even just a browser with a webapp and never really interact with the OS. If it's even a full computer and not a thin client connecting to a virtual desktop environment. People don't know or care about OSes. Maybe they'll bitch about Windows at times, but they bitch about a lot of things at work and they have no influence over any of it.
I think your right about waning support for desktop for general use, as in the "home" computer but saying gamers will switch to Nintendo or Steam Deck, not a chance in my opinion..the whole reason people game on PC is a varied story, for me personally I wanted to experience the best graphics at the time, what made me stick around is the realization that I can play any game I want from any console in history with any controller I want, I dont have to pay for internet, I don't have to worry about backwards compatiilty and I'm free to shop around for amazing deals on games.
Your right about the average family home not buying in but your wrong about "gamers" or more accurately any tech person just switching or dropping windows
Knowing Windows users they probably just complained about it and pay Microdicksoft anyway
I like all the comments ready to take a fisting in the ass from Microsoft just to keep Windows 10.
If you raised a fucking stink instead of taking this shitty deal, they may be forced to keep supporting it for free anyway like they did with Windows 7.
They've really got you guys cowed into paying for the convenience of getting fucked, don't they?
This is a company with a market cap of $3.04 trillion and you guys are just gonna bend over and take it for $30 bucks? Wew lad. They don't need your fucking thirty dollars, and you fucking know it. It's a god damned shakedown.
Microsoft: Wouldn't it be a shame if your computer was somehow insecure and got hacked?
Sounds like a Mafioso showing up for protection money to me.
EDIT: There's still about 700 million Windows 10 PC's still on the market. If every single existing Windows 10 machine paid for this service, Microsoft would make $21 billion dollars next year off this alone. It's a shakedown, do the fucking math. (700,000,000 x $30 = $21,000,000,000) Even if only half do it, it's still a cool $10.5 billion.
EDIT II: This also normalizes the practice of paying for security updates for consumers. You really want to take us down that path where every security update is paid?
Microsoft: heh heh heh, looks like you'll be paying me $30 for that windows 10 installation.
Me: Bitch, I'm on Windows 7, and keep ignoring the OS bitching at me to turn the firewall on!
It would make sense if Microsoft was liable for any security faults. I’d actually pay for something like that but of course you’re probably paying for some nebulous promise of something between security at best effort basis and whatever they feel like.
What an idiotic perspective. Microsoft has supported W10 for literally 12 years at the cutoff date. Show me another software product that receives TWELVE YEARS worth of free support. 30 bucks is fair enough. For enterprises this is play money, if you are a private, you could upgrade fucking 7 keys. Which means, you didn't need to pay a fucking cent to MS since 2007. No one has ever matched this kinda support. Ten percent of this is considered fucking generous.
And herre is a thought for you. The reason why windows is full of adware and spyware is precisely because of dickheads, who won't pay 30 fucking dollars EVERY TWENTY YEARS. This is your fault.