9mo ago

Trump signals support in call with Netanyahu: ‘Do what you have to do’

www.washingtonpost.com /politics/2024/10/25/trump-netanyahu-support-gaza-lebanon/

Trump told Benjamin Netanyahu in one call this month, “Do what you have to do,” according to six people familiar with the conversation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive and confidential information. Trump has said publicly that the two have spoken at least twice in October, with one call as recently as Oct. 19.

“He didn’t tell him what to do militarily, but he expressed that he was impressed by the pagers,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), who was on a call this month with Trump and Netanyahu, referring to the Israeli operation that killed Hezbollah leaders with explosive batteries inside pagers. “He expressed his awe for their military operations and what they have done.”

Graham added: “He told them, do what you have to do to defend yourself, but we’re openly talking about a new Mideast. Trump understands that very much there has to be change with the corrupt Palestinian state.”

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Don’t forget to vote third party to teach the Democrats a lesson about genocide….
Seriously the American Gaza protests are 100% about disenfranchising Democrats. They absolutely never go after Republicans. Ever. Ask them about this and they get suuuuper defensive and angry.
- Oh yeah definitely. People couldn’t possibly be protesting to try to stop a Holocaust. It’s all about the Democrats.
  You are the same people who were saying Biden should stay in the race and were dumbfounded when it looked like Democrats might actually have a chance once he stepped down.
  If you people used half your energy to pushed Harris to take a principled stance on Palestine and stand up to Israel it would lead to a landslide victory.
  Instead you want to shit on the left and let yourselves be pulled further to the right.
  Meanwhile you’ve got shitstains like Elon Musk doing everything he can to ensure a Republican victory.
  You only have yourselves to blame if she loses. Either way you’re going to go back to your lives and go to brunch, not taking any form of direct political action until the next election whatever happens.
  
  Instead you want to shit on the left and let yourselves be pulled further to the right.
  As though they're being pulled.
- Of course not. These protests are about saying “we want to vote for you, but we need to see you do something about this”
  Republicans being bloodthirsty fascists is a given, Democrats aren’t supposed to be. Kamala’s campaign should be the one messaging how awful Trump would be for Gaza, not random forum posters, but they don’t because she doesn’t have any functionally different policy on that than Trump.
  I don’t get why this is hard to grasp.
  
  If you voted uncommitted in the primaries - rock on brother, you were part of sending a strong message to the DNC.
  If you plan on voting anyone but Harris in the general election - get fucked, you're accelerating the genocide.
  
  Well then you're about to get what you want. You'll teach her a lesson. Congratulations. Hope it's fucking worth it.
  
  You know what virtually every 3rd party advocate like you doesn't say? Anything about how the 3rd party candidate would be good for Americans' day to day life.
  What will your 3rd party candidate (lets ignore the fact that not a sigle post advocates an actual candidate)do for me that directly impacts me and my family's life? Will they fund social security? Are they advocates for ranked choice voting? Are they pro choice? Are they pro universal Healthcare? How about corporate reform? Dark money in politics? Net nutrality? Fucking crickets on all these topics from yall.
  If you would get off the ONLY topic you all spew, maybe, just maybe, you could change some minds. The 3rd party push is so disingenuous, it's just as bad as Republicans who only vote for Trump due to him helping overturn Roe v Wade.
  
  u/xmonk couldn’t have said it better. I would say you have to be the stupidest person on earth to vote 3rd party but I know that Magidiots exist.
  You do nothing but enable genocide by voting 3rd party. A Democrat loss in November GUARANTEES the genocide continues. The Republican Party is the party of Israel and they would bend over backwards to give them whatever is necessary to bring back Jesus Christ
  
  You realise you're doing absolutely 100% precisely what the Trump campaign would have you do right?
  You're literally protesting against your own side.
  This election will not be won or lost by a few hapless protestors, but rather by swing voters who are clueless about politics and have no idea what a gazan is. To those voters you're making Trump seem like a beacon of ethics and moral standing.
  Go protest outside a Trump rally. I'm sure that will work out well.
Surely the tankies will take notice of fhis and... Ha, no. They still say Kamala supports genocide despite her being the only candidate pushing for peace.
- They didn't, this isn't the first time the turnip has said something like this. Last time it was that Israel is going to slow.
- I just got into an argument with one of these dipshits the other day. Sick of their aggressively stupid, profoundly ignorant takes.
- Biden has made it clear that his support for Netanyahu is unconditional and his words about peace are empty. Harris has made it clear that her position regarding Gaza is identical to his.
  
  Sigh, here they come!
  
  What you say makes sense if you don't pay attention.
  
  I think the use of the term "unconditional" is fairly reductive. While any US government may continue military support regardless of Israel's behavior, some governments will be more effective than others in restraining Netanyahu or nesuring Gazan's receive appropriate support.
  I feel confident that neither Biden nor Harris are calling Netanyahu and saying "do what you have to do".
2 points:
More blatant violation of the (edit: corrected) Logan Act
The Israeli attack on Iran should very neatly effect the election I'd think :(
- I think you mean a violation of the Logan Act. The Hatch Act prohibits federal employees, except POTUS and VPOTUS, from engaging in some forms of political activities. The Logan Act criminalizes the negotiation of a dispute between the United States and a foreign government by an unauthorized American citizen.
  There's even a section in the Logan Act wikipedia page about trump.
  
  Yeah, my bad, confused the two.
- Who is gonna do something it?
  Owner class and their puppets are mostly above the law.
Aren't the pagers a war crime? Hiding explosives inside regular objects?
- Yes.
I'm still undecided.
Can I wait until I'm in a camp to cast my vote for the Hitler fan?
But let's shit on Harris anyway lol. Dumb fucks.
- It was always astro turfers
But protest voting against Harris is the answer, don't you see? It's so obvious. Sure, more Palestinians will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, so I can be an edgy social-media radical! Do you even means of production, bro?
Additionally, and most interestingly:
A pro-Trump super PAC called Future Coalition PAC has been placing contradictory ads targeting Arab voters in Michigan and Jewish voters in Pennsylvania. The group’s digital ads in Michigan portray Harris as taking Israel’s side against pro-Palestinian protesters. In Pennsylvania, on the other hand, the group’s ads question her support for Israel and accuse her of “pandering to Palestine.”
Sorry not sorry, but the left got played like a fiddle by not understanding the more immediate existential threat to their survival, and now I'm afraid we'll all suffer for it. Bibi put Biden in what he knew was an unwinnable situation where he had to choose between appealing to 3% of Michigan voters (Arab-Americans) and appealing to 3% of Pennsylvania voters (Jewish Americans), and now the left flank is turning toward Trump over it and he might win both states:
“Because the situation has escalated in recent weeks, I think a lot people say what’s the difference?” said Warren David, a third-generation Arab American who is president of Arab America, a digital media platform. “ I am shocked at how many people say they are voting for Trump, when we were talking to people on the streets in bakeries and in different places. Trump is really capitalizing on this.” David said he was approached by a Trump surrogate to appear at his conference in Michigan this weekend and said no. Others — including leaders from the “uncommitted” movement who urged votes against Biden in the Democratic primary race — are appearing, he said.
Heaven help us all.
- But I was assured that minority demographics would never vote against their own interests, no matter how hard the single-issue drum was beaten???
  Don't worry - the Terminally Online Leftists will change their tune from "It won't change the election" to "If Palestine gets genocided by Israel, it's only fair minorities in the US are genocided too".
  
  If you head on over to Hexbear they have at least one person who will happily tell you any amount of collateral damage to minority groups is acceptable as long as Donald executes white liberals en masse. Is that close enough?
  
  I'm honestly surprised I haven't heard that yet.
- It's not too late for Harris to come out with a strong message of change in foreign policy towards Israel, if elected. All she has to do is promise that she'll make sure international and US law is respected, and to contrast that with what Trump has told Bibi.
  
  Yep, and risk losing Pennsylvania which is a statistical tie. Brilliant tactical move.
So that's illegal.
- It's like perjury.
  It's only illegal when a Dem does it.
- The Hatch act?
  
  The Logan Act.
I told my boss that i couldn't stay overtime because i had to pick up my kids, no other option. He said do what you have to do and I'll do what i have to do.
I left to take care of my kids and he wrote me up on disciplinary action.
- "nO oNE wAnTs to WOrK aNYmoRe"
  People quit bad management, not "bad jobs."
Another felony? It looks like this Trump guy is trying to get as many as possible.
When he was calling with Putin a month ago, I saw articles claiming that in America you're not allowed to have diplomatic calls like this if you are not in a position to do so.
- He won't get charged with anything because DeCoRuM
- Hey, if I would discover that I'm immune to laws, I would also probably ignore a good deal of them
In order to stop the genocide we need to vote in the people who will destroy the country and commit even more genocide, in the hopes the wreckage of the country can be salvaged into something better. I'm comfortable making this choice, because the extra genocide will only be happening to other people, not to people like me who look just like them over here in the states.
- I've actually heard on two occasions now from the 'don't vote for Kamala' people that more genocide does not make things worse because you can't get worse than what is happening now.
  Which- yes you absolutely can.
  (Then again, I saw someone a few days ago say that Israel is worse than the Nazis by the reasoning that the Nazis were orderly about their genocide.)
  
  The absolutely trash argument I've gotten is usually... "Less genocide is still genocide." and then them advocating for taking an action that's likely to cause more genocide.
  This is one topic where people taking a "principled stand" are just fucking idiots.
  
  They don't usually write it so literally, that's rare. They usually just pretend than any amount of evil is equally evil.
Of course Bibi supports him. They're two sides of the same coin.
Trump will pull out some Marshmallows and roast them in the fires of their Burnt out towns. Vote against him for any kind of future.
Netanyahu is working for Trump. Biden should stop working for Netanyahu.
- Netanyahu is working for Trump
  And yet here you are doing everything in your power to get him elected. Huh.
  
  And here you are doing absolutely nothing but supporting Netanyahu's genocide for the sheer love of it.
  You know I voted for Harris.

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