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2y ago

Existence of the state is incompatible with Communism

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Tell that to the tankies. I'm tired of communism being associated with them.
I stick to the original plan: moneyless, classless, and STATE-less. 🏴
- You don’t know your Marx? socialism-transition-communism
  Marx, therefore, further refined the concept of a “transition society” and introduced the idea that the development of communist society would take place in two phases. In the first stage, “socialism” as he called it, the commune state was still necessary both to defeat all attempts at counter-revolution and to reconstruct the international economic system on an egalitarian and planned basis.
  
  Marx: the only moral revolution is my revolution
  
  Marx was too idealistic. He didn't account for what happens when you put people into power of this "dicatorship of the proletariat". Most people who get into power are not going to willingly give up power. You'll end up with self-proclaimed communist countries that are either stuck in this transition phase indefinitely, or end up abandoning it in favor of state capitalism.

Right side should read tankies, not communists.
- "Communists"

Away with this anarchist nonsense!

most "communist" countries is just socialist it is a simple misunderstanding

Saying a state is Communist is shorthand for asserting that it's on the path to achieving Communism. It's an uncharted path with many obstacles so just saying "X government did this bad thing therefore it's not communist/socialist" is very unhelpful, and it really only makes any sort of sense in the context of arguing on the internet
- It’s an uncharted path
  No, it's not. This is thoroughly charted territory. It just inevitably leads to more capitalism.

To be honest, they are more communist than capitalist countries.
- Every country is a mixed economy. Capitalism/Communism as ideology is dumb (like most ideologies). The closest to a fully capitalist country was probably Somalia in the 90s.
  
  How dare you make this not black and white!
  
  I wish everyone would embrace this view so we could start talking implementation details instead of the endless ideological warfare. These capitalists and communists might as well just make a fucking church out of it already, so much dogma.
- Maybe, but are they more communist than they are capitalist?
  
  If you're talking about China, no, not really. If you're talking about everyone else... depends... I'd say mostly.
  
  You can't be "more communist-er" than something - you either are or you aren't.
- Name five.
  
  Name five what? Things that make communist countries more communist than capitalist countries?
- LMAO red fash isn't more communist than northern Europe
  
  What is red flash?

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