Obama On Trump's Recent Odd Behavior: 'Can You Imagine If I Did That?'
Obama On Trump's Recent Odd Behavior: 'Can You Imagine If I Did That?'
“You would be worried if your grandpa was acting like this,” Barack Obama joked.
I really wish the "reasonable person" angle had been pushed much sooner. His insanity could have been addressed much, much sooner.
His supporters don't care. They love the government dysfunction until it affects them directly.
And when it does affect them directly, it's one of:
- See? The government doesn't work so we need more privatization. Vote Republican to dismantle socialization.
- This dysfunction happened under a Democratic president who was left with a fucking mess to clean up by the former Republican POTUS, a Republican supermajority SCOTUS, and a divided Congress whose Republicans stonewall meaningful progress. Vote Republican to get the Dems out.
- It's the (non-white) immigrants' fault probably for stealing my socialist benefits (non-whites in general, but making it about immigration gives me plausible deniability for my obvious racism). Vote Republican to get the immigrants out.
They never believe that the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party meme is all about them. Even after their lose their face.
And it’s not a matter of “if” it will affect them, it’s “when”. His dumbass policies and ideas fuck it up for everyone. Well unless you’re stupid rich and maybe even then when he starts some asinine war that destroys everything.
"He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting" told me everything I need to know about his supporters.
They'll support literal death camps. They'll watch you and your family crushed under a tank. They'll say you had it coming.
They also like it during and after, for some reason.
I wish the “reasonable person” angle actually meant something in these elections. Trump has been spewing crazy unreasonable shit since the beginning of his political career and it did nothing but help him.
Incorrect .....
Trump HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO, MARKETED AND PROMOTED TO spew crazy unreasonable shit since the beginning of his political career and it did nothing but help him.
There are a lot of bat shit crazy people and even politicians out there ... the only difference is that most of them don't receive million dollar marketing promotion to get to the point of leading an entire nation.
This the fallacy of thinking that one single person as the persona and power to influence entire groups of people .... it's the other way around, entire groups of people influence one person to lead them
This isn't one shitty person .... it's an entire community of shitty people funded by a core of very wealthy shitty people
Whoa, crazy and unreasonable? Slow down there…
The democrats have been pushing that angle with Trump since 2015, and with republicans in general before that.
"Reasonableness" is at the core of democratic messaging, and that's a problem because what that does is allow the right to set priorities and values uncontested. Bush went into Iraq and Afghanistan, and Obama didn't stop that, he just said he would conduct the war in a more "reasonable" way. The same thing with Biden's attempted immigration bill that would've expanded the executive's ability to crack down on immigrants, the idea that cracking down on immigrants is necessary is uncontested, it's just about doing it in a more "reasonable" way. And when someone's electoral pitch is being reasonable, it puts them in a weaker position because they're expected to be reasonable and willing to compromise even when the other side stonewalls them, which republicans always do.
Apart from those things being bad, it's also not really an effective strategy. Many people are more concerned with whether a politician is on their side and representing their interests rather than whether they are being reasonable. On top of that, many Americans are straight-up anti-intellectual and so the reasonableness angle doesn't resonate with them. And there's a certain extent to which reasonableness is socially defined, and so if the current system isn't working for people and they want it to change, then they're probably not going to be concerned with existing norms of what is and isn't reasonable. Essentially, the reasonableness angle can at least potentially come across as elitist.
The democrats squeaked out a win with that angle in 2020, in the middle of Trump's terrible mishandling of the pandemic, and it's possible that they'll squeak out another one now, but if reasonableness was such an effective angle then every election against Trump should've been an absolute blowout.
I wildly disagree with this take. Both parties used to be a form of "reasonable", with differences generally around a few wedge issues, budgeting, and government size (at least outwardly). Since the Tea Party became a large voice, the Republican party has embraced conspiracy theorists, fascists, bigots, and christian nationalists. This has steadily pushed their rhetoric to absurdity. They can't even admit their guy lost in 2020! They've recently been claiming that Democrats can control the weather and that Biden's accomplishments or failures are Kamala's, despite the fact that the Vice President as as position does next to fuck-all regardless of who is in power. I think it's entirely fair for anyone with more than two lead-free braincells to rub together to point at the circus and question why it was running our country.
Additionally, Democrats are campaigning on a lot more than just being reasonable. Kamala is talking about child tax credits, first time homebuyer credits, fairer taxation, and even marijuana legalization. As a party, the Democrats have consistently been the better of the two when protecting our rights and promoting equity with minorities in our country. Sincerely, I'd literally sooner piss on a Republican than vote for one because their party is using people like me (trans woman) as a scare tactic and are legislating us out of our medical care, rights, and comfort.
What you see as a "squeaked out" win in 2020 is actually a predictor of what happened in 2022. A complete blowout where Democrats won way more seats than was expected of them. And a lot of that was because they're the only "reasonable" party left. I don't think that's a losing position. It would take them actively spitting on the center-right or center-left of this country to make them lose the support they've garnered by trying to keep our heads above water and fascism out of our country's government.
No reasonable person ever voted for Trump in the first place. Nothing he could do well even l ever change their minds.
The first time I can sorta forgive. They at least had hope he would be decent and do things differently. Even though any semiconscious person could see the writing on the wall. The second or third time, there is more than amble evidence as to what as asshat he truly is.
His insanity could have been addressed much, much sooner.
"Insanity" doesn't mean anything from a political perspective. Its a generic invective that politicians use on one another routinely. Sanders was "insane" for being a Far-Left Antifa Socialist. Rick Santorum was "insane" for taking the bible as literally as the rest of his Opus Dei fan club. McCain was "insane" for repeatedly advocating we escalate conflicts with Iran, Russia, and China (oops! looks like he was right all along). Hilary was "insane" for something something her emails Comet Pizza Benghazi.
Trump got caught dead-to-rights bragging about sexual assault and he still won the majority of white women voters. There were no magic words you were going to say in 2016 that would have made him not be President, after that. It was purely a question of volume (degree people screaming at Hilary versus people screaming at Trump) over content.
Too true, the cult of personality is real.
Its amazing how much they hated him and how normal he was to the point they never even got an impeachment thing really going even though they try to impeach at the drop of a hat.
Obama would have been in neverending impeachments. Shit, they probably already have paperwork ready to go for the second Harris becomes president.
I'd be weary of Obama cracking jokes about Trump though. Last time he did that to a crowd of people (who all laughed in Trump's face) it was shortly before Trump became president.
Ehhh, Obama was a bastion of professionalism through some of the vilest shit said about him in public by other “professionals” for more than 8 years. He can say whatever he wants about Trump or anyone else, and he’s still super tame about it.
I’d be weary of Obama cracking jokes about Trump though. Last time he did that to a crowd of people (who all laughed in Trump’s face) it was shortly before Trump became president.
that was like 10 years ago and trump is becoming more senile by the day. I think they are trying to goad him into more public appearances to highlight that.
It's a pretty black and white issue, to be honest.
It's not like Trump wore a tan suit or asked for dijon mustard.
Never Forget.
The $100,000 watch was made in the part of Switzerland that's in China. Beautiful sweatshops, very special.
No... Not made in Wyoming. That's where the LLC is, but not the actual manufacturing facility.
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If he had, liberals would right it off and excuse it
Ah, yes, if only there was some Illinois politician close to Obama who had been associated with crimes similar to those of Trump, who had been absolutely and unambiguously disavowed by Democrats and imagine then also if only he had some type of relationship despite all that with Trump, who would also pardon him or something after his criminal conviction, making your comment like one big giant case of projection.
lol, that would just be silly wouldn’t it.
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It would be just way too coincidental and spot on for words.
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Google ‘Blagojevich’.