6mo ago

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar killed in surprise encounter with Israeli forces

www.theguardian.com

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Hopefully now a better future for Palestinians and Israelis is ahead.
- I'm not sure the Palestinians will view being ethnically cleansed slightly less vigorously as a brighter future.
  
  Who said anything about doing it slightly less? I haven't heard that from the Israelis.
  
  He was the mastermind behind the Oct. 7th attack. The world is a better place without him.
  
  Bold assumption to claim it will get less intense.
  
  I am probably out of the loop but how does one go about Identifying a Palestinian without shooting everyone?
  
  Palestinians have never been ethnically cleansed. There are also peaceful Palestinians that don't want, and do want a brighter future.
  
  Gaza Strip wasn't a very joyful time even before the war. It was ruled by extremist religious terrorists that would literally torture, rape and kill you for whatever reason (like being gay).
  People somehow conveniently ignore this.
- Not while Netanyahu remains in power, he has no incentive to end this.
  
  Neither does Israel in general, nor the US backing them.
  
  Netanyahu is indeed a problematic figure who take these situations into his advantage, maybe another would be better to make peace.
- Hamas was created as a reaction to Israel oppressing Palestinians.
  The resistance will continue until the oppressors stop oppressing them.
  Sinwar was not a charismatic guy who brainwashed everyone into attacking Israel. Israel oppressed Palestinians into violent resistance.
  
  100%, everyone thinking Palestinians were duped by Sinwar into striking back at Israel has no knowledge of the history of Israel as a Settler-Colonial project.
  
  Fun fact, practically “Palestinian” consists of a diverse population of Arabs (i.e. Bedouin and Muslims), Jews, and Christians and more. So which do you refer to as “Palestinians”?
  Sinwar was not a charismatic guy who brainwashed everyone into attacking Israel.
  He WAS a charismatic killer who brainwashed into attacking Israel.
  According tohttps://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AHRC47NGO145_150621.pdf "United Nations Watch is concerned that the Palestinian education system continues to promote antisemitism and incite terrorism, including in schools of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA)."
- How optimistic.
- As an Irish person, you can't end terrorism with violence. You just create martyrs to a cause, a cause which looks more and more legitimate the more civilians suffer and die because of said violence. "Kill the rebels" every 20 years did nothing for peace on Ireland for 800 years.
  
  What's the antidote for that then?
  
  Israel has been supporting Palestinians such ash letting them work within Israel. But that didn't help unfortunately. The best solution is education. The hard truth is what they are being educated with: to terror and destruction or to peace and prosperity.
  
  This sound like survivorship bias. We got rid of plenty of terrorists with violence you just don't know about them because they're gone
- the future that you speaking of called "west bank" where "Israeli occupier" put bounty on "indigenous Palestinian" homes for burning their cars or destroying their properties. Where the "Israeli occupier" open carry guns threatening or shooting "indigenous Palestinian" and if the "indigenous Palestinian" fight back in any form "since they don't have guns" they get into a military court, then prison, maybe without a charge, then get raped in prison, based on "Israeli sources"
  Pretending this not a case of apartheid genocidal military force is stupid considering the overwhelming evidence that you can find reading a few news article or maybe 5 minutes in Wikipedia.
  If you are bored maybe you can watch this episode of Anthony Bourdain "Palestine parts unknown" aired in 2013 and ask yourself if that the past and the current living condition what makes believe this will help in anyway!
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_bVSRlaIjw
  
  Sounds like 'Merica!
  
  Fun fact, practically "indigenous Palestinian" consists of a diverse population of Arabs (i.e. Bedouin and Muslims), Jews, and Christians, Bedouin and more. So which do you refer to as "indigenous Palestinian"?
  "Israeli occupier" is a pure propaganda. Israel received an official support for by the UN for setting up a state. Whoever was against it it's his own problem. Israel has the right to be an independent heterogeneous multicultural and multi-religion state.
- Not really likely. With all these kids and the younger generation terrorised/traumatized by Israel, hopes for a lasting peace is dim. Imagine your home and loved ones being torn into pieces right in front of your eyes by Israel all because of a terrorist attack that you played no part in. Now multiply this by tens of thousands...They will go on to be members or leaders of whatever terrorist/resistance organization follows hamas. It's an endless cycle where only people on the very top take advantage off.
  
  This is a sad truth, and it can only be solved with education. Both states are traumatized. It's time to come together.
- Nope, it will only intensify. Yahya Sinwar wasn't some evil mastermind manipulating and controlling the Palestinian people, they have been fighting an existential war against a genocidal entity that has been exterminating them for nearly a century. You can't get a ceasefire by killing someone beloved by the Palestinian people.
  You can hate Sinwar if you want and celebrate if you wish, but the Palestinian people are not celebrating right now, they are mourning. Historically, deaths of Hamas leaders have only hurt ceasefire talks.
  
  Comments like these are just supporting these kinds of heinous figures like him, and it's just sad, and evil.
  Yahya Sinwar wasn’t some evil mastermind manipulating and controlling the Palestinian people This is a pure lie.
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Sinwar: "Sinwar planned the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and the murder of four Palestinians whom he suspected of cooperating with Israel." "Sinwar was believed to have overseen the torture and execution." And this is just part of the list.
  they have been fighting an existential war against a genocidal There no genocide. Lie #2. This is not Israel's goal in this war. Or ever.
  beloved by the Palestinian people. Lie #3.
  Stop posting lies.
- Probably not the tens of thousands of murdered Palestinians. Homeless, without any future.
  
  It's possible. See the numerous states that went through hard times and strive eventually. When you believe it, it's possible.
- Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.
  
  Nope, no joke.
- Edit: I apologize for my cynicism, but I struggle to be hopeful about the prospects of Israel making peace with its surroundings nations and occupied territories.

"We finally caught him, now once all those pesky civilians are starved, we can start to heal."
Beginning of the end? jfc

"killed in surprise encounter" Makes it sound like he walked around a corner, saw them, and had a heart attack.
- nothing to see here :)
  
  "WTF? These aren't civilians!"
- The Final Fantasy random encounter sting played and bam!
  
  "Why did my glasses shatte....
  OH SHIT! DID ANYBODY SPEC ESUNA?!

fuck netanyahu and fuck hamas

If Netanyahu says it is ending soon then that is something I can appreciate, perhaps the pressure of a US withdrawal of support coupled with pending war with Lebanon will force Netanyahu into a moderate position in order to keep power.

Marvelous and joyful news

Just another tyrant's death in a long line. I hear his replacement is even more brutal 🙃. So when I hear this somehow will bring peace I gag because I am also hearing Israel wants to occupy Gaza for the long haul.
- Israel already occupied Gaza. Israel is now in the process of destroying Gaza completely.

It took 2 months for my wish to be granted but I'm not complaining :)
- So Hamas has no leadership and will dissolve now? Or is this guy already replaced by someone worse?
  
  Of course Hamas won't dissolve, their entire structure is designed to minimize the impact of assassinating leadership, otherwise they would have folded long ago.
  
  They will select a new primary leader, but they are organized more as a confederation than a centrally controlled group. Very little of their action relies on there being a leader at all. Past Israeli assassinations of their leaders haven't weakened the group, and I don't see any reason this time would be different.
- Let’s go.
  Fuck Israel for commiting genocide. But fuck Hamas and this guy for making a terrorist attack and cold bloodedly murdering and raping civilians.
  
  Source for the rape?
  
  We're in agreement then

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A martyr, died fighting an occupation and genocide against his people.
- The Butcher of Khan Younis? He's arguably the one person on earth who cared the least for his people. Throughout his life, he killed and tortured Palestinians as pawns to inflame as much hatred as possible. He was a martyr for pure evil and is undeniably in hell. His people and Israelis alike are better for his death.
  
  He ordered the killing of Israeli collaborators. Idk how that makes him the one person on earth who cared the least for his people.
  
  Do you have a source for your claims? I'd like to see if thats true.
  Also, to equate him to israelis is like equating a slave who went on a slave rebellion to the slave master. Even if he did commit crimes the two are not equal. One is an occupier who takes your land, puts in you into an open air prison, rapes, and kills your woman and children.
  One is an army with the most advanced weaponry and technology also backed by the world's super power. Whereas the other is bear bones rockets and rifles. Stop trying to make it a "both sides issue" bullshit.
- Hamas aren't even of Palestinian Origin. They started as an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt with funding and weaponry from Iran. Iran as well has support from Russia among others.
  Palestine is the battlegrounds but they don't really have any players on the board.

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