Ideology gap increase between young men and women in various countries.

A few folks have mentioned that these charts

1. conflate liberal/conservative with the dominant left/right parties in these nations
2. does not include people who do not identify with one of those dominant parties
3. have some somewhat unreliable stats magic behind them

A lot of young men in the US are reporting themselves as "not a Democrat or Republican", and that's causing a lot of this proportional shift. I would bet that characterizes a lot of folks on this site who are not conservative.

https://www.vox.com/politics/2024/3/13/24098780/politics-gender-divide-generation-z-youth-men-women

https://www.allendowney.com/blog/2024/01/28/is-the-ideology-gap-growing/

The opposite to conservative is progressive, not liberal

When I think of all the women & girls in my life that I care about, I remember that I could never be a conservative. It would be a betrayal.

Assuming this is accurate, I'm pleased to see men in the UK bucking the trend.

As women gain independence, frightened men turn to patriarchal solutions. Hence a turd like JD Vance spouting hateful and controlling rhetoric on podcasts and Ahole Tate brainwashing adolescent boys. Fuck these people.

🌳 Die? No. We lost them, and now we cannot find them.

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Difficult to assess this info without knowing how the data was created.

Another Lemmy post with no source in the main post.

What the fuck South Korea? Also you just know that sudden rise in liberal men in the UK is the Tories' doing.

So probably -

When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Men want the days back when they were more in charge and didn’t have to worry about consequences so much.

Conservative being down is a good presentation choice.

It's weird that the axes of where "centre" is remain stable over time. Can you imagine comparing "left vs right" between the 1890s and the 1920s? Like a bunch of stuff happened in between, history happened, and that tends to redefine left, right and centre.

shit sucks which primes people for radicalization and The Algorithm basically pushes men to be chud shitheads (which doesn't really work for women because who is going to listen to "become a baby machine" and think YEAH, BET)

The important thing here is to know how did they measure young people's political ideologies. I wouldn't expect it was self-perceived as currently, people have a hard time admitting they are conservative compared to admitting they sympathize with a conservative party.

If it was determined by a questionnaire, it would be interesting to see what questions were included. Maybe the questions weren't well planned and that's it. Maybe they equalled feminist takes to progressive liberal ones, which is something that can be discussed. In this case, I would be picky about the origin of the graphics.

The gap sounds plausible, but I highly doubt the overall positions relative to 0.

E.g., the Federal Republic of Germany has had conservative chancellors for 51 years out of the 75 since it was founded. We did not have a constant left majority (I assume that is what they mean by liberal, since the actual sense of the term doesn't make sense as an opposite to "conservative").

Edit: I fucked up, this is only about people below 30.

Is anyone brave enough to ask why?

I genuinely fear for future for women across the world

What's the source? I wanna learn about the weird unexpected drops in some countries.

Ohh wait, this is actually good for my dating chances. Gotta find the good in the bad...

Huh, that explains the 4B movement in S. Korea.

The world lol? More like America and its vassals.

Why does everything appear to appear at +15 across the board just before 1990?

Interestingly it looks like in 3 of 4 charts men have, at worst, returned to mean. It's the women getting more leftist. And I don't blame them.

Sauce, for those interested - https://www.ft.com/content/29fd9b5c-2f35-41bf-9d4c-994db4e12998

In the US, Gallup data shows that after decades where the sexes were each spread roughly equally across liberal and conservative world views, women aged 18 to 30 are now 30 percentage points more liberal than their male contemporaries. That gap took just six years to open up.

So it might be worth taking it with a pinch of salt because I'm betting it's using the very dumbed down "liberal vs conservative" 'murican political view. Maybe skew all results down 3-6 points.

I’d be curious to see data outside of the “International Community”

Here, have some unsourced data on subjective tendencies.

Nah, that doesn't count as data just yet then.

Especially not at a point in time where someone like Trump is said to represent "Conservatism".

That's why there are so many incels conservatives and more lesbians, the numbers talks from themselves.

Hey look if you start taking away white male privilege they freak out when they find out people of other races, genders and creeds are better than them, who knew?

The good news is that almost universally, women vote in greater numbers than me. So on average its still breaking to the left.

I believe that a significant factor for this can be attributed to mental development and maturity of boys lagging behind that of girls of the same age, during formative years. And, please read on, if you assume my argument is "boys dumb, conservatives dumb. Q.E.D."

The second factor is an education system where this offset in mental development/maturity is further confounded. Boys don't typically do as well, because sitting idle and being a "good boy", is more challenging. This leads to a path for boys to start working earlier, while girls get higher degrees. (I assume the trends for higher education by gender, to be similar, if not, then that can falsify this hypothesis).

What a person then observes they get from society, vs what you pay in terms of taxes, is skewed between these two groups, and highly correlated with gender.

If this hypothesis has any validity to to it, then one could argue that a way to mitigate this is by correcting the negative causes. Where the fundamental root cause might be improved by revisiting how education is failing boys in particular.

The challenge with this is that if the conservative parties' policies are driven by what can make more people vote conservative, then this will be a negative feedback loop. The worse you make it for a certain group of people that vote for you, the more that group is willing to vote for you.

Why won't anyone date me?

How does it start with women being more conservative than men in Germany and the US?

Weird that men used to be more liberal at any point.

Okay, but how many are leftists?

As a Transfem, it's because conservatives suck (granted I despise all forms of liberalism).

Also why the hell is liberalism considered "left-wing" its center right at most.

Hey can you pls give me the source? I want to look into that.

So many men who will never get a girlfriend and not understand why. Social media influencers were a mistake.

??? So many holes in the way this data is presented

So here's the question - is the scale consistent over time? That is, do we consider the same ideas left/right wing in 202x as we did in 199x?

Let's assume it is. We're seeing men lean towards the center/right, and a lot of people are asking why. The trouble is, the answer isn't one people like to hear - in our headlong pursuit of equity, we're introducing a lot of inequality. You lift the ladies up, while you let the men climb - all based on the assumption that the women had further to climb so what you're doing is levelling the field.

Countering this is a sympathetic voice, one offering to bring back equality or offer a different kind of equity. Casting gender equity as a zero sum game, and pushing for equality aimed at the ones not being lifted up.

I often hear the "uneducated men" argument, but that's just an ugly echo from the past serving those it once oppressed in a bitter irony. The reality is that even educated people can fall for propaganda. Especially when voting in what they see as their own self interest.

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Anyone wanna take bets that the datatrend will change once we have fully functional Gynoids?

I wonder why Dessalines is posting this sort of stupid charts

Is this related to differences in prefrontal cortex maturity rates in young adults?

ok but this age group also doesn't vote.