Well, fuck you too.
Well, fuck you too.
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"Oh hey, our tracking is so invasive that it is illegal in your part of the world and we are too lazy to do something about it."
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I don't want to link to them because fuck them, though the current top comment contains a link to that site.
The interesting thing is that you get this error message on /us while when you remove it, you get redirected to /global and there is no such message. They went out of their way to collect the data of US citizens while still complying with the GDPR for other users.
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We are too
lazygreedy fucks to do something about it
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That website wants to collect and sell all the userdata without consent
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Consent? That's just some woke word made up to damage family-owned businesses!
Them, probably.
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To be fair, the founder of the business, Byju, used to be a very ordinary school teacher and then he built this whole thing. Not family-owned, nor born rich.
Fuck their business practices though
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Or they can't or won't spend the time to comply to regulations of a region they might not do business in anyway.
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It's not a business website, I opened it for some random math article.
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If they aren't doing business in the EU, they don't need to comply with GDPR. While it technically protects EU citizens' data everywhere, in practice it's not possible to govern companies that are completely outside the EU.
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Why is it basically only the EU that seems to have an interest in preventing shitty business practices.
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Because the US is controlled by corporations
Asia for the most part doesn't care
Australia is run by right wing nut jobs
New Zealand is quiet so they probably do do something like this but we haven't heard about it.
Japan is Japan. Civil rights isn't really a thing.
And China and Russia love invasion of privacy it's basically the entire basis of their countries.
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I would like to point the RWNJs finally got voted out in Oz last year (federal and most states). Of course Murdoch and co. are working hard to reverse that, but semi sane leadership is in place for at least a year or two more.
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As with most things in the US, California has similar laws to the gdpr (though admittedly not as powerful), so a lot of websites are starting to change a bit in the US because of california.
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China and Russia are dictatorships meaning they do whatever the fucknthey like and if you don't like it you might become suicidal.
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Moatly about capitalism i think. If you put on privacy restrictions, you are regulating the market, while capitalism believes that the market should regulate itself, and customers will simply stop using those websites/softwares overtime if its too bad. I find this completely delusional in the era of mega corporations, but thats the capitalistic aproach to this.
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capitalism believes that the market should regulate itself
Anarcho-capitalism ⊊ capitalism.
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Because they listen to people rather than ignore them and then make policy based on how much money they can make from the deal.
This shows me the EU is actually more democratic then the US is.
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It's much harder to pay off the lawmakers to keep the status quo when the economic area is controlled by dozens of individual governments.
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This is actually a particularly important point. The nature of the EU is laden with bureaucracy. Combined with the wide range of cultures, and the rotation of staff, it makes bribing enough people to get your way difficult. You end up needing people in multiple countries to deal with it, and the rotations make long term deals difficult.
The end result is that bribing EU bureaucracy is like trying to stop a river with just hands. It's far less effective, letting the EU be a lot more effective (if slow).
There's a reason so many big business interests want to break up the EU.
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Brazil also has a similar law called LGPD, I think it was made based on European GDPR
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Actually, and I'm quite proud of this, the LGPD was already being discussed before the EU's GDPR. It may not look like it, but Brazil is at the forefront of digital protection and privacy.
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Because they can't do whatever they want here
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Yah, I just get Google to block these sites from ever being recommended again.
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I want more predatory websites to do this so that I can avoid them.
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Anyone out of the EU can VPN to an EU country and benefit.
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Some idiots keep using one of my email adresses for god knows what, ending up in me receiving newsletters and shit. Since actual user accounts are associated, I typically recover the password (since its my email adress) and then delete the account.
There are a few websites with similar restrictions though. They are completely fine sending shit to email adresses they never bothered to verify, but reject logins from countries (or even US states!) that they don't want. Morons.
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that's when you report as spam. that shit hurts their trust rating and makes their emails more likely to end up in people's spam folders, pretty much killing their newsletter
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This is fine imo. If you don’t want to comply, don’t. You just don’t get to extract EU data
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Right, at least they are honest about it and - in a way- comply with GDPR by avoiding it.
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Yes, but it shows how they behave toward people who aren't in the EU.
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Perfect. Would be nice if US implemented the same regulations
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Personal data is an enormous market in the US. Too many big players located here. It'd never happen unfortunately. We'd need to replace all of Congress with folks who actually care about rights and people instead of money. We have only a handful on the left and that's only in the house, and that's being generous. I haven't seen any attempts really on the right. So it'd be a long time until this is even remotely possible. I'd be amazed to see a senator actually care about people though. Or even a governor.
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Don't forget the centrists, who want a happy medium between you being a product for someone else's money, and having privacy. Because, you know, a lack of privacy is totally cool or something...
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Sadly, I live in the U.S., so if I went to this website, it would definitely take my data and sell it.
We don't get a GDPR to protect us. Be glad you do.
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Why do you need a GDPR to protect you? If you don't want tracking cookies then don't let web sites write them to your computer. You are in charge of your computer.
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Wish it was that simple. The problem with the internet, as a whole, is someone figured out they can collect just about everything from your data, with or without cookies, and sell it to big companies.
Everything is about that almighty dollar. We are now the product under the guise of being a consumer.
You want to complain about access being blocked because of where you live, fine just makes you an easy commodity to sell to someone else.
Tbf, you want complete anonymity, stay off the web, don’t use bank accounts or credit cards, not even those like cash app, become a hermit and tell everyone to fuck off as you are not for sale.
In reality, it’s policies, like the GDPR, that are actually looking out for your best interest. Here in America the arguement would be “they’re taking away my freedom” or “the government is overreaching” instead of “Hey, someone actually cares about my privacy in the government!”
Like I have said in another group, people complain about their privacy online and then use the likes of chrome for their browser. We say we care about our privacy, but in the end we are a tool that doesn’t do the job we need done.
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Cookies aren't nearly the only form of tracking.
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EU for the win.
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wtf is a byju... looks it up.. ok, interesting.
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So? What is it?
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It's a highly controversial tech company into online education in India. Controversial because they were a highly valued but hugely loss making company and then they apparently fudged their financials, Deloitte quit as their auditor, they underpaid and laid off 1000s of employees/educators, and cheated customers/parents into buying expensive bundles through super aggressive marketing where not so savvy customers were "bullied" into making purchases that are hard to unsubscribe
For example -
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Looks like its a educational learning app.
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Well, this is what you wanted isn't it? Your government is protecting you, anyone who can't comply can't serve you.
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I read that as you being facetious, but: Yes this is exactly what I want. If a service can not comply with GDPR, the service should not be accessible. It would be great for their customers if the service decided to change their practices to become compliant, but that is a business decision they need to make.
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Adding to that: Compliance is not even that hard to implement. I build almost all of my websites with GDPR compliance in mind and it's not really a big deal. There are easy to use tools like Cookie Consent and some of the sites don't even need a banner at all if they have no tracking (which you know, is completely possible too).
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Well I'm only being facetious insomuch as the OP is annoyed at a perfectly predictable outcome of laws that Europeans wanted. I'm very critical of the GDPR, I do want laws that prevent data harvesting but I just don't think the GDPR was the right approach.
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Not "can't comply" but "doesn't want to comply". Other than that fully agreed, it is what I wanted.
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anyone who can’t comply can’t serve you.
That's not true. If the company isn't doing business in the EU, they don't need to comply with the GDPR. What I mean is, they're entirely outside the jurisdiction of the EU and are not required to comply with any EU law. If the EU decides they want to force a non-EU company to comply, they have no ability to do so.
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Serving ads to Europeans is doing business in the EU, and the US and EU have reciprocal civil enforcement mechanisms.
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It's for the greater good, but it's also somewhat against the intention of the law, IMO.
Dataprotection is meant to give users control of their data. A restriction like that takes away a bit of my control, however, since it prevents me from doing whatever the fuck I want with my data.
But again: greater good. It also protects people who don't know what they are doing.
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I wish more invasive websites would do this.
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Trust me, you don't want to visit that website (company).Its sales and marketing methods are scam at best.
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Shows how broken the internet was and still is, basically the homeland of the internet is incapable of building pages that comply with basic regulation.
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I need to know what this website is, so that I never use it.
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Byju, it is an educational group known for its exploitative practices in selling over priced study materials for primary and secondary education in India and also for competitive exams.
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It's actually in the screenshot. Kind of hidden though.
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Just another lazy American company not wanting to protect user data and using GPDR as an excuse.
Sure it takes work to treat user data properly but from a consumer perspective it is the right thing to do. Throwing shade at Europe because you don't want to do it doesn't seem the most productive thing to do.-
lazy American company
This company is headquartered in Bangalore.
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Still lazy! ;)
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Translation: We are not allowing you to use our services in the EU due to better data privacy laws than the US.
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🤷♂️ use another service if the nanny state controls your pipes.
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Get a VPN.
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Nah, I don't want to visit a site that publicly admits to invasive tracking.
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Fix your governance and get rid of the GDPR, and the problem will be solved.
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"The solution is to just give up your rights to privacy, doy!"
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You don't have to give up your rights to privacy to get rid of the GDPR. The GDPR isn't the reason you have any rights to privacy, nor does it actually effect any. What it effects is an entitlement to be forgotten and to move in anonymity when your identity is clearly observable and memorable. It's an overreach, and some people don't feel like dealing with it.
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