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Wikipedia is notoriously untrustworthy and gets brigades heavily by the CIA, especially on topics like this.
For better sources, use this. Look for gulags and the purges you mention and see what is written.
Millions of people were declared ‘enemies of the people’, shot or mutilated, or suffered in prisons, labour camps or exile.
Vladimir Putin, October 30 2017
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/55948
Is this CIA propaganda too?
"babe wake up! The Dictator of a capitalist, imperialist country said that insert socialist has killed lots of people"
I find this one fascinating. I'm trying to follow this thought process.
"Stalin is an evil Russian Dictator! and these evil tankies worship him! Putin is also an evil Russian Dictator therefore these evil tankies will agree with anything he says because they like Russian Dictators!"
This person honestly seems to think solely in terms of "sports team politics" and doesn't seem to understand that people can believe or not believe something based on evidence, not on what "their team" says is true.
No but Putin is a known conservative* anticommunist
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What is Putin's motivation to legitimize fabricated atrocities attributed to Stalin?
bro you cannot be serious..."hmm why would putin and his oligarchic bros spread misinformation about socialism" dont tell me you're one of those liberals who think russia is still socialist
Spreading misinformation about Stalin is not the same as spreading misinformation about socialism, especially in Russia where a longing to return to soviet life has been growing for the past twenty years.
Stalin was one of the socialist leaders of the USSR that was present to be the leader when the Nazis were trying to slaughter them for their race and their way of life. Stalin acted as a leader and the people emerged victorious, which helped Stalin act as an avatar representing Socialism on earth. This cult of personality was not encouraged, but the effect remained. Stalin in Russia is the human meme representation of socialism.
I won't say that all socialist projects need to look like what Stalin created. However spreading lies about what Stalin did as a socialist leader is undermining the socialist project as a whole in Russia. Putin is an anti-communist that seeks to undermine socialism in Russia, thus he lies about Stalin.
Thanks for explaining without resorting to inflammatory statements or ad hominems. I get that your instance has a lot of bad faith trolls but I'm not one of them.
Putin does praise Stalin in implicit like in Valdai conference of 2016 , he said if USSR didn't centralize resources, education, military industrial complex then Russia as a nation wouldn't have survived. Also Putin has banned comparing Stalin to Hitler. No doubt Putin dislikes communists but he is not pro Hitler or equates USSR to fascism. Although Putin and entourage are not communists hates progressive ideological standpoint. But don't worry 71 percent of Russians love Stalin. Actually to know Stalin you have to talk to old Russians who were under Stalin rule and most of them loved the time.
Not getting guillotined. Why are libs completely incapable of empathising with people acting in self-serving ways? If the Russian youth are educated on the benefits of a revolution, they'll want a revolution. If they're told maintaining the status quo is for everyone's benefit, they'll want to keep the status quo where Putin is rich and headed.
You could ask the same question about the CIA or the counter revolutionary forces around the world or the Western press. Why is it that people who are part of the bourgeoisie do their best to discredit socialists efforts? Socialist theorists would say it is to distract the working class from looking beyond capitalism, creating an imaginary enemy in the alternative option that is socialism.
Sure, that explanation is so simple that it's obvious in retrospect. I was kinda hoping there would be some juicy political shenanigans instead.
His disdain for the soviet union, which he regularly discusses.
I am sorry are you believing in putin's words now? Ok russiabot
All bourgeois leaders and especially those in post-socialist countries have a vested interest in denigrating and slandering the political and economic system of the Soviet Union because that is the best way to prevent a resurgence of enthusiasm for socialism which is a threat to their power and the capitalist system they have built.
Gee, what would capitalist system, existing only because the previous one was brutally and unlawfully destroyed against the will of the peopl, gain on smearing that previous system.
For a culture and civilisation supposedly build on Roman roots westerners awfully rarily seem to ask fundamental question of "qui bono?".
It's bullshit no matter who says it - and especially a notorious anti-communist liberal like Putin - because it's simply not borne out by the evidence.
There's just as much the CIA can patch, Wikipedia still provide a good account of famous historical events and plenty cross links, you can search for yourself and read the individual history of many who died on gulags or that got send there. Not even the CIA can spin history 360 degrees
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra
If you have even better sources to wikipedia that's good but your link redirect to reddit and vague articles and even to wikipedia itself
For starters you could read actual socialist theory but I know you won't. If you're truly acting in good faith, give youtuber Hakim a listen. Or The Deprogram podcast. Or Second Thought. They have various videos covering a multitude of starter* topics and they provide sources with their claims.
Edit: if you're looking for insights on how the CIA does spin history 180 degrees (360 is a circle, btw, you'd end up at the same point) then give The Jakarta Method a read.
For starter you could stay on topic
??? I am staying on topic. I'm giving you all these suggestions to check out. Or did you not expect an actual answer?
You sound like a bad actor trying to brainwash somebody
i love when liberals pull the commie brainwash card, as if we dont already live in a capitalist dominated world where people are taught that capitalism is the only viable economic system. Be it in a TV-series, in the News, in the Radio, in documentaries....pretty much every media-outlet when mentioning socialism treats it as a failed, murderous joke and nothing else....it is presented to us, without explanation most of the time, that socialism is evil, undemocratic, killed 100 Gorbachovillian people and that capitalism is the only economic system that "works". We are not brainwashed you are the one feeding off liberal propaganda
Whenever "brainwashing" comes up, I'm reminded of this article: https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/
The writer uses the term "licensing". Which I think is appropriate. We can show them that their entire society is propaganda, but they will brush it off as if it's not proving anything, then embrace the term propaganda when it's not part of their embedded culture. "Licensing", because the libs and america have a license to do bad things, even while judging others for doing those same things.
great article, cheers
Look at yourself and how you are talking. You are the most brainwashed of them all
yes yes, at this point its just back and forthing. Keep licking the boot.
What are you even rambling on about? You're beginning to sound like those tin foiled doomsday fetish believers, "I am truthpilled, you're just soyjacks who are brainwashed!"
Grow up, you're not arguing or even discussing, what's your point? That we are brainwashed? Yet you regularly cite works from sources which are long been debunked.
Zero political awareness, read something then come back here, no we won't engage if you act like a child.
Everyone except me are brainwashed, that's why I can't refute literally anything of what they're saying.
That's what the CPC pays me for
