Apparently controversial, in this day and age
Apparently controversial, in this day and age
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You are the one pulling an ad hominem, not me. You ignore my answer to your “argument” and go on to attack my person.
No I didn't, everything was specific to your argument. I said nothing about you. As for your argument, well I guess I'm glad that I'm promoted to teenager now.
Your entire argument is “without the context of the site we’re on, no-one could know what this is referring to”, as if this was some sort of “both sides” bullshit, which you claim to despise.
But the argument I'm making is that both sides are guilty of claiming the other side is defending genocide not that both sides are guilty of committing genocide right now. The argument that one side is defending genocide is bad faith, as other than a few extremists nobody on either side is actually defending genocide.
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id…” The fact that you feel the need to accuse someone you’ve never seen of being a kid instead of pointing out what’s actually wrong
INSTEAD OF
I very clearly pointed out what's wrong with your.
But the argument I’m making is that both sides are guilty of claiming the other side is defending genocide
"Both sides"
See. You're pulling the ridiculous "both sides" bullshit.
The argument that one side is defending genocide is bad faith
No it isn't. You're just pretending it is, willfully ignoring the reality of the situation. Israel is most definitely defending a genocide.
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.
THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Accused of committing genocide against Palestinians, Israel insisted at the United Nations' highest court Friday that its war in Gaza was a legitimate defense of its people and that it was Hamas militants who were guilty of genocide.
More than 23,000 people in Gaza have been killed during Israel’s military campaign, according to the Health Ministry in the Hamas-run territory. That toll does not distinguish between civilians and combatants. Nearly 85% of Gaza’s people have been driven their homes, a quarter of the enclave’s residents face starvation, and much of northern Gaza has been reduced to rubble.
... this amounts to genocide and is part of decades of Israeli oppression of Palestinians.
“The scale of destruction in Gaza, the targeting of family homes and civilians, the war being a war on children, all make clear that genocidal intent is both understood and has been put into practice. The articulated intent is the destruction of Palestinian life,” said lawyer Tembeka Ngcukaitobi, adding that several leading politicians had made dehumanizing comments about people in Gaza.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976
#Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza
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You still aren't addressing the point they were making. They weren't claiming either side to be ethically, morally, or objectively correct. They were simply stating that both sides of the conflict have claimed the other is attempting a genocide of their own side.
You are trying to argue the objective facts of the situation, poorly at that, not the propaganda. They were commenting on the propaganda, not the facts.
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I am.
The point is that him demanding there's "both sides" to this is true as much as it would be true that "both sides claim the other has false science" when arguing Flat Earthers.
It's disingenious and bad faith to pretend there are "both sides" to this. There aren't.
I can show you thousands of pages and people talking about Israel committing genocide on Palestine.
Can you show me a single page where anyone says that PALESTINE is committing trying to commit genocide?
Hint: google "palestine genocide" and "israel genocide" and tell me just how many links concern Palestinians being the victims of a genocide and how many there are saying they're committing one?
Yes, Israel loves to yell about "Hamas is trying to kill us" but Hamas isn't Palestine and an attack on a country doesn't qualify as genocide. Not to even mention how hypocritical it is of Israel to accuse Hamas of a genocide in the current situation when they're fervently trying to deny the genocide they're committing in broad daylight. Almost as ironic as you saying my arguing is poor. Thanks for the laughs, lol.
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He never claimed that. Your anger fueled tirades put those words in his mouth.
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Ah the old "implications don't exist".
Pretending "both sides are accusing each other of..." in cases like this is a textbook example of bad faith arguing.
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I agree you absolutely have been arguing in bad faith this entire thread.
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You acting that childish — proudly — is honestly making me sad in real life.
The implication of the first comment of this thread is that there are "both sides" to this. There aren't. Who exactly is saying "Palestine is committing a genocide on Israelis?"
Trying to pretend both sides are in any way "as bad" is exactly the type of shitty propaganda Israel keeps pushing. The same type of rhetoric the Nazis used. It's so fucking ironic that Jewish people are now committing the heinous crimes they were the victims of 100 years ago.
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The implication of the first comment of this thread is that there are “both sides” to this. There aren’t. Who exactly is saying “Palestine is committing a genocide on Israelis?”
what an incredibly naive and basic take on a geo political (historical) conflict that is still ongoing.
If we're going to analyze this from a clinical perspective, as would be implied by "both sides" we need to consider the actions of both sides, independently to each other. In a manner that is unrelated. This is the only way to truly "both sides" something.
Looking at it in any other capacity is entirely irresponsible and disingenuous at best.
Only a literal child considers both sides exclusively in the capacity of "genocide" in this case. This is like saying that the US won the space race because we got to the moon and back, with people. Even though the USSR did literally everything else before the US did.
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Only a literal child considers both sides exclusively in the capacity of “genocide” in this case. This is like saying that the US won the space race because we got to the moon and back, with people. Even though the USSR did literally everything else before the US did.
Even a lot of literal children realise that trying to equate Israel and Palestine as being equally guilty here is not like comparing the US space program to the Soviet's. It's more like comparing the US space program to the Ghanan space program.
You just can't accept any fault on Israel's part, because you're a pathetic genocide denier, denying rape and slaughter of children.
UN Commission Finds Israel Guilty of Crimes Against Humanity
The report holds the Israeli occupation responsible for the ongoing catastrophic situation in Gaza. But it also alludes to the possibility that October 7 is a watershed moment for even harsher Israeli occupation unless international law is urgently implemented.
Israel is sanctioned for committing “crimes against humanity of extermination, gender persecution targeting Palestinian men and boys, murder, forcible transfer, and torture and inhuman and cruel treatment.”
In clear and deliberate violation of international law, Israel intended to commit these crimes: to murder civilians en masse, inflict wide-scale civilian destruction, and collectively punish and dehumanize Palestinians in Gaza. Palestinians were murdered. They didn’t die as collateral damage or as unintended victims of Israeli military operations, but as Israel’s deliberate targets.
There the truth goes, being objective again. ¯(ツ)_/¯
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Even a lot of literal children realise that trying to equate Israel and Palestine as being equally guilty here is not like comparing the US space program to the Soviet’s. It’s more like comparing the US space program to the Ghanan space program.
i'm not equating them.
You just can’t accept any fault on Israel’s part,
i have, numerous times. You're just lying through your teeth here.
i like how the section you block quote doesnt even once mention the word "genocide" in it. You're still pulling it out of your ass.
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So angry at me and sore at losing the argument that instead of just replying with your usual garbage, you replied to three different comments of mine; one on a completely different post (so you got so mad you started stalking my profile, hahahah), then this one, and lastly in the actual thread itself.
Just a proudly American fool who's denying that Israel is committing war crimes like these.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/2024-05/240520-panel-report-eng.pdf https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/israel-50-years-occupation-abuses
Oh, right, sorry, I just remembered you're proudly ignorant and probably your literacy matches that attitude, so something... more to your level:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_schools_during_the_Israeli_invasion_of_Gaza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_health_facilities_during_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli_airstrikes_on_municipal_services_in_the_Gaza_Strip
People like you disgust me, but as I don't want to be as shit of a person as you, I actually reply in good faith. People like you just tie yourself in knots.
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So angry at me and sore at losing the argument that instead of just replying with your usual garbage, you replied to three different comments of mine; one on a completely different post (so you got so mad you started stalking my profile, hahahah), then this one, and lastly in the actual thread itself.
if we're being factually accurate here, it should be four no? You left two comments in reply to one comment i made that i split into two separate ones due to word limit. And then i responded to this one, and another one about harry potter, and possibly a fifth one, though i'd have to go check it to be sure.
Just a proudly American fool who’s denying that Israel is committing war crimes like these.
demonstrate it.
nice copy pasta btw, try harder. You're clearly tired from being wrong so often.
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