1y ago

when your believes are so shit that you have to dogwhistle every day

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Their rights aren't even being violated, it's never the government censoring them.
That being said, far more dangerous to society than the ability to speak hatefully is the government censoring speech it doesn't like.
- That's not necessarily true when public schools are hostile environments to even basic (and not hateful) conservative beliefs such as 2nd amendment rights or parental rights.
  
  I wonder why schools would be hostile against gun rights

What about you say one thing but mean something different?
"It's not racist to be worried about immigration" - basically an excuse to be racist towards immigrants
Or
Or a recent one from the UK, "I agree with Just Stop Oil, but I don't think they're going about it the right way"
When you basically just want JST to go away so you can drive your SUV around in peace
- I don't disagree with your point about those who want the protestors to go away (and of course about the first dogwhistle), but can we please not compare just stop oil to immigrants, or the treatment they get to racism? The two are not comparable.
  
  oof wow yeah
- they are going about it the wrong way tho.
  
  No, they fucking aren't
  We have less than 10 years of comfortable life before climate change fucks us up. It is already too late to stop it
  We should be rioting in the streets

statesrightstodowhat

There is no such thing as freedom of speech outside of the context of government reaction. You cannot face consequences from government for protected speech. Out in public it's fuck around and find out. For corporations it's all about their bottom line, Twitter is not public space, reddit is not public space, this instance isn't public space (someone owns the server it's on.) It's their decision what is allowed to be said on their platform. They are not government, they have the right to censor to protect themselves or to set an environment they desire for their product/service.
Freedom of speech as an aspiration for society doesn't exist, and rightfully so. There are consequences for your actions, speaking words is an action, so if your actions are speaking hateful words then there are consequences of that action, as in my reaction to your hateful b.s
You can't say "black people are literally destroying society" and then cry "FrEeDoM oF SpEeCh!" when someone gives you shit about your terrible opinion. Downvoting is not censoring. You have a shit opinion and I have an opinion about your shit opinion. If you spew hateful rhetoric about people you can't hide behind FrEeDoM oF SpEeCh when people confront you on that hateful rhetoric.

What's dog whistling?
- I believe it's using certain language or phrases that sound fine on their face but have hidden signals or meanings to certain groups. Probably a bad example but off the top of my head something like a politician saying "you should have the right to protect your family in your own home" could be a dog whistle to say that they oppose gun restrictions.
  
  Got it, thanks! That was a good example.
- Dogwhistling means saying something that'll sound innocuous, but really contains an underlying message.
  One example is people complaining about "international bankers" the phrase comes from an anti-semetic book that was used by the Nazis to as propaganda to justify and promote anti-Semitism. By itself, the phrase can seem to be a criticism of global capitalism, but is often really just people complaining about Jews.
  
  The most common and innocuous sounding one is "Family values" the moment I hear that I immediately assume anti-gay.
  
  This is a bit of a tricky example, if Orban or Meloni said that I'd be suspicious.
  But if an environmentalist or leftist criticised bankers for investment in fossil fuel or the 2007 economic collapse then it's obviously not dog whistle to blame it in international bankers.
- Like 1488 is a dog whistle. Pretty much saying you’re a nazi. But I could be wrong
  
  Sort of. There’s no context where 1488 is not a nazi saying unless you’re literally using it as a number. But when it first started being used it could potentially qualify as a dog whistle.
  For it to be a dog whistle it would have to sound like an innocent comment on face value unless you were the “dog”

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